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Parents dream:kids spending life in asylum
« on: August 06, 2008, 10:09:41 PM »
My dad's fondest wish for me is to my spending the rest of my life in a cult or mental institution. Seriously. It is. He is willing to invest an infinite amount of money in locking me up some where. But paying for necessary health care? Nope. College? Uh-uh.

My I.Q is 145 (not that means much) but he wants me to go to a home for mentally retarded youth where I will be taught "how to tie my shoes." I know how to tie my fucking shoes. Elaborately lacing knee high boots: I got it.

Explain to me, please, someone with more experience/education the drive to... for all intents and purposes..obliterate your own kid.
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Re: Parents dream:kids spending life in asylum
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2008, 10:59:00 PM »
You dont fit the image of a the perfect child he wanted so he either wants you gone or perfect. it's the whole all-or-nothing thing.

lemme guess...youre the rebelious type. no one will hire you, save hot topic, right? he thinks you'll grow up to be a good-for-nothing that will never get a job as a doctor/lawyer/engineer/beurocrat/used car salesman, therefore he wants to save himself the anguish of watching you grow up by sending you away.

It's horrible. i know. i've been there.

your best bet is to run away, get a job, and live on your own.
then the thing is, when you do that, you find out that you kinda have to cut your hair, wear a collared shirt and stop doing drugs anyway. which sucks. but that's life in the U.S.

So in the end, your dad is just not letting you enjoy your youth. When you turn 18 and are able to leave whatever institution your are being sent to, you're just going to resume where you left off. Didnt get enough pot smoking in before you grow up? no biggie, no rush in growing up...you'll have plenty of time to catch up with your peers when you get a little older. i call it a postponed teenhood....which leads to a postponed adulthood. it's the sad reality of program graduates.
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Re: Parents dream:kids spending life in asylum
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2008, 05:59:44 AM »
Quote from: "um....."
You dont fit the image of a the perfect child he wanted so he either wants you gone or perfect. it's the whole all-or-nothing thing.

lemme guess...youre the rebelious type. no one will hire you, save hot topic, right? he thinks you'll grow up to be a good-for-nothing that will never get a job as a doctor/lawyer/engineer/beurocrat/used car salesman, therefore he wants to save himself the anguish of watching you grow up by sending you away.

It's horrible. i know. i've been there.

your best bet is to run away, get a job, and live on your own.
then the thing is, when you do that, you find out that you kinda have to cut your hair, wear a collared shirt and stop doing drugs anyway. which sucks. but that's life in the U.S.

So in the end, your dad is just not letting you enjoy your youth. When you turn 18 and are able to leave whatever institution your are being sent to, you're just going to resume where you left off. Didnt get enough pot smoking in before you grow up? no biggie, no rush in growing up...you'll have plenty of time to catch up with your peers when you get a little older. i call it a postponed teenhood....which leads to a postponed adulthood. it's the sad reality of program graduates.

No. I'm not "rebellious."

I get that my dad is mental and abusive. He has no "paternal" instincts. He wants to see me in a mental asylum, and barring that, he wants me to commit suicide. This isn't an exaggeration. He's always telling me I'm destined to commit suicide, or wind up in a mental asylum this is why he needs to have a girlfriend.

I've had some hilarious argument with him arguing how  I'm going to commit suicide/ need to be in an institution with him pointing out how my every achievement doesn't count. He actively works to hurt me within the limits of what he can get away with.

I'm interested in understanding the mind of abusers, particularly the sort of abuser who sends their kid to a program, not so much because they want to get rid of him like the parents of adopted program kids, but because they want to hurt/control them.

What is up with their brains?
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Re: Parents dream:kids spending life in asylum
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2008, 04:47:37 PM »
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Quote from: "um....."
You dont fit the image of a the perfect child he wanted so he either wants you gone or perfect. it's the whole all-or-nothing thing.

lemme guess...youre the rebelious type. no one will hire you, save hot topic, right? he thinks you'll grow up to be a good-for-nothing that will never get a job as a doctor/lawyer/engineer/beurocrat/used car salesman, therefore he wants to save himself the anguish of watching you grow up by sending you away.

It's horrible. i know. i've been there.

your best bet is to run away, get a job, and live on your own.
then the thing is, when you do that, you find out that you kinda have to cut your hair, wear a collared shirt and stop doing drugs anyway. which sucks. but that's life in the U.S.

So in the end, your dad is just not letting you enjoy your youth. When you turn 18 and are able to leave whatever institution your are being sent to, you're just going to resume where you left off. Didnt get enough pot smoking in before you grow up? no biggie, no rush in growing up...you'll have plenty of time to catch up with your peers when you get a little older. i call it a postponed teenhood....which leads to a postponed adulthood. it's the sad reality of program graduates.

No. I'm not "rebellious."

I get that my dad is mental and abusive. He has no "paternal" instincts. He wants to see me in a mental asylum, and barring that, he wants me to commit suicide. This isn't an exaggeration. He's always telling me I'm destined to commit suicide, or wind up in a mental asylum this is why he needs to have a girlfriend.

I've had some hilarious argument with him arguing how  I'm going to commit suicide/ need to be in an institution with him pointing out how my every achievement doesn't count. He actively works to hurt me within the limits of what he can get away with.

I'm interested in understanding the mind of abusers, particularly the sort of abuser who sends their kid to a program, not so much because they want to get rid of him like the parents of adopted program kids, but because they want to hurt/control them.

What is up with their brains?

DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROGRAM PARENTS:

TRICKED-- parents whose kids go to a program voluntarily. Entire family involved thinks they are going to some treatment center/school. When their kids say they are being mistreated they respond responsibly. They notice and respond to obvious warning signs

ex: "erica's mom"

INADEQUATE-- parent is mentally ill, or incompetent.
ex: lulu Corter's mom

ABANDONER-- parent wants to rid themselves of burden. They are often Adoptive or steparents

ABUSE/CONTROLLER-- Parents want kid to be punished//suffer be humbled. They want control of their kid in a ver unhealthy way

ex: paul richard's parents

CULT member-- these parents start off as any of the hitherto mentioned type, and get sucked in/brainwashed. They live their lives for the cult. They donate huge amounts of money and time to the cult. They are not simply "brainwashed" in the sense they are mis led or tricked. They live on campus, spend a lot of time in meetings.
ex Ginger's parents
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Re: Parents dream:kids spending life in asylum
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2008, 05:04:19 PM »
So sorry to hear you have both had this experience with your family members. No person should endure this. I hope you are not in real danger from your father. Trust your own perceptions, opinions, instincts, doubts, and experiences. Watch your back.

Your question about the "why" of this resonates with me (I ask this about programs all this time), but I'm afraid I do not have answers--though I think your instincts are right that this has something to do with a desire to control you.

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Re: Parents dream:kids spending life in asylum
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2008, 05:06:43 PM »
DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROGRAM PARENTS:

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TRICKED-- parents whose kids go to a program voluntarily. Entire family involved thinks they are going to some treatment center/school. When their kids say they are being mistreated they respond responsibly. They notice and respond to obvious warning signs

ex: "erica's mom"

INADEQUATE-- parent is mentally ill, or incompetent.
ex: lulu Corter's mom

ABANDONER-- parent wants to rid themselves of burden. They are often Adoptive or steparents

ABUSE/CONTROLLER-- Parents want kid to be punished//suffer be humbled. They want control of their kid in a ver unhealthy way

ex: paul richard's parents

CULT member-- these parents start off as any of the hitherto mentioned type, and get sucked in/brainwashed. They live their lives for the cult. They donate huge amounts of money and time to the cult. They are not simply "brainwashed" in the sense they are mis led or tricked. They live on campus, spend a lot of time in meetings.
ex Ginger's parents

Great post. This would be interesting as a separate thread.

Auntie Em
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Re: Parents dream:kids spending life in asylum
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2008, 05:11:17 PM »
Quote from: "AuntieEm2"
DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROGRAM PARENTS:

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TRICKED-- parents whose kids go to a program voluntarily. Entire family involved thinks they are going to some treatment center/school. When their kids say they are being mistreated they respond responsibly. They notice and respond to obvious warning signs

ex: "erica's mom"

INADEQUATE-- parent is mentally ill, or incompetent.
ex: lulu Corter's mom

ABANDONER-- parent wants to rid themselves of burden. They are often Adoptive or steparents

ABUSE/CONTROLLER-- Parents want kid to be punished//suffer be humbled. They want control of their kid in a ver unhealthy way

ex: paul richard's parents

CULT member-- these parents start off as any of the hitherto mentioned type, and get sucked in/brainwashed. They live their lives for the cult. They donate huge amounts of money and time to the cult. They are not simply "brainwashed" in the sense they are mis led or tricked. They live on campus, spend a lot of time in meetings.
ex Ginger's parents

Great post. This would be interesting as a separate thread.

Auntie Em


Why thank you! I actually had this really long thing written- it got eaten somehow-- and then I got drawn into participating in the never ending 'bring Zenagent to justice' thread.
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Re: Parents dream:kids spending life in asylum
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2008, 05:49:06 PM »
Quote from: "AuntieEm2"
DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROGRAM PARENTS:

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TRICKED-- parents whose kids go to a program voluntarily. Entire family involved thinks they are going to some treatment center/school. When their kids say they are being mistreated they respond responsibly. They notice and respond to obvious warning signs

ex: "erica's mom"

INADEQUATE-- parent is mentally ill, or incompetent.
ex: lulu Corter's mom

ABANDONER-- parent wants to rid themselves of burden. They are often Adoptive or steparents

ABUSE/CONTROLLER-- Parents want kid to be punished//suffer be humbled. They want control of their kid in a ver unhealthy way

ex: paul richard's parents

CULT member-- these parents start off as any of the hitherto mentioned type, and get sucked in/brainwashed. They live their lives for the cult. They donate huge amounts of money and time to the cult. They are not simply "brainwashed" in the sense they are mis led or tricked. They live on campus, spend a lot of time in meetings.
ex Ginger's parents

Great post. This would be interesting as a separate thread.

Auntie Em


p.s That Adoptive and step parents are likely to be unloving abusive guardians isn't just an anecdotal assertion. Programs are manna  to neglectful wealthy adoptive parents, like Barbra Walters. They can abandon their kid, yet ensure their kid has no chance of success or perusing judicial retribution against them. They rid themselves of the burden and the evidence of their abandonment.


Children 'safer with biological parent'Font Size: Decrease Increase Print Page: Print Andrew Trounson | May 07, 2008
CHILDREN with a step-parent or no biological parent are significantly more at risk than those with a single parent or both biological parents.

An Australian study of more than 900 coronial inquiries into child deaths from violence or accident appears to bear out theories of the so-called Cinderella effect.

Psychologist and researcher at Melbourne's Deakin University Greg Tooley said that despite sensitivities over the issue, the findings should not be ignored and child-welfare agencies needed to take it into account when assessing at-risk cases.

"It would be very good, I think, if an awareness of this were to lead to better targeted interventions," Dr Tooley told The Australian.

It was possible that sensitivities over targeting children with step-parents might be getting in the way of agencies identifying it as a risk factor, he said.

"It is certainly difficult to talk about because it is such a hot issue," he said.

Dr Tooley's study found that children with a step-parent were at least 17 times more likely to die from intentional violence or accident. A limited version of the study found that the rate could be as high as 77 times.

It found the risk was higher if there were no biological parents, such children being at least 22 times more prone. Most at risk were children under five.

Overall, Dr Tooley found that children with a single biological mother were no more at risk than children with both biological parents.

But he did find that children of single mothers were three times more at risk of drowning.

Dr Tooley said the findings appeared to back up theories that parents were biologically driven to be extremely protective of their offspring, less so than step-parents.

The theory has widespread parlance in folklore and fairytales, such as that of Cinderella, who is banished to cleaning duties by her jealous step-mother and sisters.

Dr Tooley stressed that the findings were not about attacking step-parents, but simply identifying risk factors.

"We have to look at the flipside, which is all the good that step-parents do," he said.

But he added: "I'd be disturbed if we didn't use the information. The vast majority of step-parents are outstanding, but they aren't as equipped with the same protective drive as a biological parent."

He speculates that this probably becomes more of a factor in child welfare when families are under stress. "I feel these factors are happening at the real edge when families are under a lot of pressure," he said.
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Re: Parents dream:kids spending life in asylum
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2008, 08:15:15 PM »
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Quote from: "wra"
Quote from: "um....."
You dont fit the image of a the perfect child he wanted so he either wants you gone or perfect. it's the whole all-or-nothing thing.

lemme guess...youre the rebelious type. no one will hire you, save hot topic, right? he thinks you'll grow up to be a good-for-nothing that will never get a job as a doctor/lawyer/engineer/beurocrat/used car salesman, therefore he wants to save himself the anguish of watching you grow up by sending you away.

It's horrible. i know. i've been there.

your best bet is to run away, get a job, and live on your own.
then the thing is, when you do that, you find out that you kinda have to cut your hair, wear a collared shirt and stop doing drugs anyway. which sucks. but that's life in the U.S.

So in the end, your dad is just not letting you enjoy your youth. When you turn 18 and are able to leave whatever institution your are being sent to, you're just going to resume where you left off. Didnt get enough pot smoking in before you grow up? no biggie, no rush in growing up...you'll have plenty of time to catch up with your peers when you get a little older. i call it a postponed teenhood....which leads to a postponed adulthood. it's the sad reality of program graduates.

No. I'm not "rebellious."

I get that my dad is mental and abusive. He has no "paternal" instincts. He wants to see me in a mental asylum, and barring that, he wants me to commit suicide. This isn't an exaggeration. He's always telling me I'm destined to commit suicide, or wind up in a mental asylum this is why he needs to have a girlfriend.

I've had some hilarious argument with him arguing how  I'm going to commit suicide/ need to be in an institution with him pointing out how my every achievement doesn't count. He actively works to hurt me within the limits of what he can get away with.

I'm interested in understanding the mind of abusers, particularly the sort of abuser who sends their kid to a program, not so much because they want to get rid of him like the parents of adopted program kids, but because they want to hurt/control them.

What is up with their brains?

DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROGRAM PARENTS:

TRICKED-- parents whose kids go to a program voluntarily. Entire family involved thinks they are going to some treatment center/school. When their kids say they are being mistreated they respond responsibly. They notice and respond to obvious warning signs

ex: "erica's mom"

INADEQUATE-- parent is mentally ill, or incompetent.
ex: lulu Corter's mom

ABANDONER-- parent wants to rid themselves of burden. They are often Adoptive or steparents

ABUSE/CONTROLLER-- Parents want kid to be punished//suffer be humbled. They want control of their kid in a ver unhealthy way

ex: paul richard's parents

CULT member-- these parents start off as any of the hitherto mentioned type, and get sucked in/brainwashed. They live their lives for the cult. They donate huge amounts of money and time to the cult. They are not simply "brainwashed" in the sense they are mis led or tricked. They live on campus, spend a lot of time in meetings.
ex Ginger's parents



Anyone have any ideas about this--the psychology of the abusive parents that make programs possible?
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Re: Parents dream:kids spending life in asylum
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2008, 11:59:15 AM »
There are also parents who place their kids in programs to avoid criminal charges being brought against them for abuse.  If they're afraid the child is going to report them, they put them in a program, and no one believes anything a kid in a program says.  It's all "manipulation" once they're locked up.
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Re: Parents dream:kids spending life in asylum
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2008, 12:14:42 PM »
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There are also parents who place their kids in programs to avoid criminal charges being brought against them for abuse. If they're afraid the child is going to report them, they put them in a program, and no one believes anything a kid in a program says. It's all "manipulation" once they're locked up.
Damn, why does this not surprise me...

Auntie Em
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