AJAX 13

[Anonymous]

I would never wade into arguing the validity of the research - bottom line is that AJAX and anon and others continue to demonstrate they have no credentials or ability to critique the evaluation study designed and implemented by Michael Q Patton. They don't understand the treatment literature, evaluation methodology, the treatment population and can not read the research results properly - I try to adhere to: "never argue with an idiot, they take you down to their level and beat you with experience" -  AJAX thinks he understand research and clearly does not.

I do have a Masters degree in research methods and know evaluation literature well. Additionally, I know the literature in treatment outcomes research. AS soon as you can demonstrate that you understand sampling and research methods, ajax then I would say you can attempt to critique MQ PAtton's research design and implementation of  the evaluation.

Meanwhile you continue to hedge on explaining why you think YOU are so credible while attacking other people for lacking credentials for operating a legitimate treatment centre well!

AJAX - you state Dean Vause is a "sociopath". Now lets disregard the fact that this is a clinical term and you likely are not a REGISTERED psychologist or a doctor of psychiatry (pa-leezz correct me if I am wrong). HAVE YOU EVER even talked to the man and how were you able to arrive at that type of diagnosis?

[Anonymous]

The research is sold as being indp despite clearly having AARC staff working on the review itself so not very indp.

[ajax13]

Here's an opinion of the Wizard's alma mater:
"The Union Institute is also accredited, but its degree requirements and standards for health-related doctoral degrees differ greatly from those of most traditional universities. Students design their own program, form and chair their own doctoral committee, and are required to attend only an introductory colloquium and a few interdisciplinary seminars. "
http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/null.html

Here is another:
http://ggjacobsen.mbablogs.businessweek ... 700u1rzzs8

Here is another:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/2 ... 216158.htm

Here is a quote from the book "Nafta and Neocolonialism" by Laurence French and Magdaleno Manzanarez, 2004, in regard to the Union Institute:

"the PhD is also offered by a host of questionable colleges and universities.  The Union Institute illustrates this phenomenon.  Known as the Union for Experimenting Colleges and Universities, the Union Institute is a private, independent, nonprofit consortium authorized by the Ohio Board of Regents to grant degrees.  It offers doctorates in a number of professional fields including education, psychology, the social sciences and theology.  The doctorate consists mainly of a project directed by the student him/herself.  Acting as their own dissertation committee "each learner prepares "Project Demonstration Excellence (PDE) which maay be a formal traditional academic dissertation, or may take other forms."  These other forms include a publishsable book, a unified series of essays or articles, a documented project of social change, or outstanding creations in poetry, theater, media presentation, dance, painting and musical compositions.  A Master's degree is preferred for admission to the doctoral program and no standardized test scores are required.  A Program Summary (subjective portfolio) comprises the course work.  It is a purely descriptive project reflecting the learner's development and program evaluation with a detailed statement concerning the meaning of the program to the learner.  This program is not recognized by the American Psychologial Association even though many pursue it's PhD in psychology."

This guy liked Union so much, he got two PhDs from them:
V Miller Newton PhD 1993  Guiding Youth through the Perilous Ordeal (See 1st Ph.D. in 1981)
http://www.tui.edu/directories/default. ... dirCat=PDE

[TheWho]

Ajax, your behavior is very strange.  You are attacking people because of their educational background and second guessing their abilities to perform in their job and at the same time remain in the shadows and try to convince the readers that you have this unique ability to diagnose people with mental illnesses on-line with no apparent professional education in the field at all.

What gives anyway?  It seems by the level of attack that you are jealous of this man and his accomplishments.  If you feel a person is not qualified you should simply show the readers what qualifications are needed to fill the Executive directors position at AARC and then compare those qualifications to the person presently filling that role.  smarten up a little buddy.

[Anonymous]

Wow. That last one could have been copied verbatim from a Scientologist.

Cultists are all alike.

[Anonymous]

Well, this seems to have struck a nerve with all the anti-AARC crowd and Ajax continues to avoid answering any questions. how reliable a crowd they are . . . . .

Although it is like herding cats to keep Ajax on point, I'll ask again:

1. what kind of education/training do you have  ajax . . ..  or have not ,what ever the case may be?

2. have you ever spoken with DVause in order to determine he is a "sociopath"?

[TheWho]

Why are you posting the exact same thing in so many threads?

And I don't understand what Ajax's 'qualifications' have to do with anything, since he's not claiming to be a psychologist or trying to "treat" kids, as Vause is.

What had occurred is that the poster ” still interested” had asked “Ajax” a couple of questions and instead of answering the questions “Ajax” started bumping up other threads to try to bury the thread to avoid answering.  “Still Interested” is just trying to hold Ajax accountable for his actions but it seems he keeps trying to run away.

[Anonymous]

What had occurred is that the poster ” still interested” had asked “Ajax” a couple of questions and instead of answering the questions “Ajax” started bumping up other threads to try to bury the thread to avoid answering.  “Still Interested” is just trying to hold Ajax accountable for his actions but it seems he keeps trying to run away.

Umm, pot......meet kettle.

[TheWho]

Not sure if you will get a direct answer from him “Interested”.  I was in a similar discussion with a group about the effectiveness of Microsofts new Vista and how many of the divisions I work with do not like it or are having problems with it.  Most of the people stayed on topic and argued specifics like they didn’t like the annoying pop-ups, multi-tabs  etc.  But there was this one kid who just kept harping on how Bill Gates dropped out of school, was uneducated and what gives Gates the right to be dictating software design etc.  The guy never backed off or offered constructive criticism of the software.  So my guess is that Ajax13 is somehow like that and just jealous of this CEA of AARP.  He initially attacked the man’s success rate which was established to be 85% and when Ajax was unsuccessful with that he started going after the man’s education, scrutinizing his degree, field of study and he seemed the most upset that people were calling  him Doctor Vause which would further indicate Ajax has a personal issue with him rather than professional or with the school itself.

Many times these things blow over as the person matures or finds an interest of his own in which he can dedicate his time and effort and hopefully become successful like Dr. Vause has become.

My experience here says he will continue to flood for awhile, kick up other threads with cut and pastes hoping to avoid you, but if you hang in long enough he may face your questions honestly.  Some do others just continue to run.  In any event it will be interesting to watch and see.



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[ajax13]

No.  The success rate was never established to be 85%.  The failure rate was established to be a minimum of 52%.  Since the study lumped people right out of AARC in with people out for over four years, it is impossible to make a determination as to what proportion of former prisoners abstain and for how long, beyond the fact that at least half relapse.

[TheWho]

No.  The success rate was never established to be 85%.  The failure rate was established to be a minimum of 52%.  Since the study lumped people right out of AARC in with people out for over four years, it is impossible to make a determination as to what proportion of former prisoners abstain and for how long, beyond the fact that at least half relapse.

Yes it is....  Read the report, Ajax13.  It is obvious you do not understand how to read it.  The success rate is 85%.  You harp on everyones elses credentials yet you offer none of your own and expect others to take your interpretation of the data over those who do it for a living.



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[Anonymous]

The WHO, just focus on this :  
there obviously is a reason ajax is not answering but prefers to pontificate profusely by cutting and pasting a bunch of drivel. Is that the only way you know how to write, ajax?

Bu do entertain us and answer the questions:

1. what kind of education/training do you have  ajax . . ..  or have not ,what ever the case may be?

2. have you ever spoken with DVause in order to determine he is a "sociopath"?

[Anonymous]

Vause is the one "treating" children.  Not Ajax.  Vause's credentials are being questioned because he has a direct effect on those poor kids.  Ajax is a poster on a message board.

Get a fucking grip.

[ajax13]

It's true.  52% relapsing within 5 years is an 85% success rate.  No question.

[TheWho]

How about the name of that registered social worker who works at AARC, along with the licensed psychologist and the psychiatrist?

Ajax, just answer the persons question and lets move on.  Stop avoiding everyone by kicking up other threads.  Its not the end of the world if you are not as educated as the person you are critisizing.



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