is it a good idea to have zen as moderator?

[Anonymous]

I edited CCM's name out of the post without anyone asking me to do it.

Follow the link.  That line "I edited....isn't in the post linked.  They're making shit up, hoping no one double checks them.

Looks like we go the real liars.

Zen either deleted what he wrote, or it disappeared when Morpheus and his server died.

Zen, are you saying I made these quotes up? You’ll stake your integrity, your word on that I made up the “edited” quote?

[Anonymous]

WITHOUT REPLIES THE TROLL DIES

[Anonymous]

In your words, I am a lying fucking bitch who is just god awful! You hope someone posts my information for real?!! That's not very nice. What will that accomplish? I haven't done anything to anyone.

Nah, she's a saint.  I hate to blow yer martyr charade.

Wow, that's a shocker coming home to all this! Once again, no sleep will be lost.

Fuck you all very much for your comments!

Sincerely,

CCM girl 1989

Thank you, CCM! I was debating whether or not to go for broke and do some prostitution while I still have the gear for it. I was worried what my friends and kids might think. But you've reminded me that it doesn't matter. I'll let ya know how it goes, k?
 :roll:

You know it's so tempting Ginger to just get in the ring with you (to throw insults back and forth). But, I'm not going to. You are doing a good thing here with Fornits, and I appreciate it as well as the thousands that take the time to stop by. But, sometimes the things you say make no sense. Try to be a little more open minded, and don't try to push your views on everyone here. You're coming across as the big bad bully. Not everyone thinks like you do, and nor should they. You trying to control peoples minds by not letting them state their opinions without the wrath of Ginger makes you just as bad as "THEM". Which to me makes no sense since you despise all these people we discuss here on Fornits.

Is it possible you've turned into one of them, and don't even know it?

We hear way too much from you TSW, shhhhhhhhhh. BFD!?!!! You're such a shit starter.

Put a cork in it! Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. Do, us all a favor......... and handcuff your hands behind your back if you can't control yourself. Please, pretty please! I'm begging you!!!!!!!!!!!

You're soooooooo whitty TSW, so quick, so cool, god you're a fucking idiot. No, really! You are pathetic. Get outta the house, get off the computer, go have some social interaction. Even a dogs hairy ass is better then nothing!?!! Huh? Remember one thing, and one thing only from tonights exchange. You're nothing, nada! N-A-D-A!!!!!

Why are you insulting gookie instead of talking about why you feel we should not say programs are bad, CCM?

Niles, I've given you plenty of attention before. I'm over you, moving on to bigger losers like TSW.

Niles, are you finally coming down my friend? Up all night doing drugs? You, and your speed freak buddies are not to be trusted. You've taken this site, and blown it into tiny little pieces. Nobody should even think about posting here from programs. No staff, no parents, nobody.

It's painfully obvious the only people who are wanted here are the cry babies, and the VICTIMS, go cry me a river! See how boring this all will get. Nothing to argue over when you are invading the system, and changing, deleting posts.

You fucked up my little bitch.

lols.. CCM girl is off her meds also.

Get a life fucker!

You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.

Niles, my darling little pumpkie.........YOU WERE NEVER IN A PROGRAM! You don't know shit about them. What part of that can you not get through that thick skull of yours?!! How can I make it any more clearer?

You were never there, you are not a parent of a child who went there. I am not sure how the hell you got involved in this whole thing, but you have no clue what you are talking about my friend!

Go join the KKK, or the Geek Squad? I don't care as long as you just take your anger somewhere else you little freak.

We all have had different experiences while in programs. I have every right to say how it went down in the places I attended. I do feel badly for some people who were sexually abused. But, I am just saying that nobody was ever raped at any of the places I attended.

Sounds like Rachael had some interesting experiences though?

A child (someone under the age of majority) cannot consent to a sexual experience, under the law.

You have no idea what happened to other people.  I have 2 good friends who were raped by staff while there were 2 other staff and  5 other kids in the same house.  Nobody knew anything.  Including myself.  I was there and I had no idea.  However, after it was revealed and with the benefit of hindsight I found both of them to be completely credible and myself to have been completely clueless.   As you are now.

You are one callous, cruel little bitch.

Oh really? What house, or what program were you in? Name it, and name the staff who did it. If, and when you do that, maybe I'll give you the time of day. Until then you are just another anon posting a bunch of crap.

Drama queen.

Anne,

I would agree with you that more then likely your story did bore me, and that's why I don't remember it. I didn't need you to repeat your story again, I just asked what your age was, that's all.

Niles, I just want you to know what a heartless jerk I think you are. I totally voted for us all to get together for a party on your stupid poll. I will only come though if we use you as a pinyata! I just want to take a bat, and swing at you my friend.

Zen,

I will be in your neck of the woods come Thursday! Should I come pay you a visit? You have to admit there are some of you who act totally nuts on here, and that's just stating the obvious. Sorry if you took it personally. When I come to visit you what should I look for on your forehead? What will Deb have you tattooed with?

CCM girl

Out of curiosity..... Are you a mormon???

Not that it's any of your business, but no I am not! Hey, since you live in Boca, does that make you a jew?!! LOL!!!!!

Next time I am in Delray, I'll make sure and look you up. If Deborah has it her way you'll have JEW tattooed across your forehead in no time at all. But, how on earth will I set you apart from all the other jews out there?

Anyway, I personally could care less what religion anybody on this board, or on this earth here is. What matters most to me is what kind of person you are in your heart.

Unfortunately, a lot of you on here have proven to be total assholes who most of the time like to pretend you're smarter then everyone else.

Obviously you are not my son and quite obviously the rumor mongers that try to create a "so called life" here electronically had nothing more to say when the facts and the truth of the Dundee Ranch Fiasco didn’t quite turn out to be what they thought or believed. No one has posted here for months and of course no one has posted the fact that I, Narvin Lichfield was innocent and acquitted of any charges like I had been saying from the start...even though this was made publicly evident more than 4 months ago in the press this is the first posting of it to my knowledge and it is sad I had to be the one to do it. You would think the people here so ready to "bravely" slander others trying to look like the latest savior of the children would have the courage to admit when they have rushed to judgment and destroyed another’s persons name. Obviously no such honor among thieves exists for the persons who post here over the last 5 years in my opinion are just that “thieves” as defined by the bard they …steals trash; ’tis something, nothing. ‘Twas mine, ’tis his, and has been slave to thousands; But he that filches from me my good name Robs me of that which not enriches him And makes me poor indeed. Iago, Othello The Moore Of Venice, Act III Scene iii. ...it is my sincere hope that others do not treat you all with the same level of hypocrisy and poison I’ve experienced here at your hands and keyboards.. that you will never have this forced upon you over false allegations made by such needy people as Amberly Knight whose story changes every time it is told (just go check her testimony in the court documents in Colorado when she was advocating the virtues of the program against what she said in the Utah sue sheff case both were under oath) or by a now convicted pedophile in the form of Bruce Harris (Bruce was convicted of having sex with an under age boy for 3 years in central America) and as a result of a defunct pseudo-child caring organization like what we saw in Casa Alilanza that he was the director of that closed weeks after his arrest.. Karma has a way of coming around so be careful and try to treat the next guy with a little more kindness you might need it yourself some day.

Narvin,

I cannot speak for everyone here, but I for one did not set out to slander your name. I am guilty of watching the news, and reading articles on your school, and then discussing it openly. Your beef my friend, is with the media, and your former employees.

Nobody here knows you personally (I don't think??? If so then speak up). I think if you tried putting yourself in someone elses shoes besides your own, someone that did suffer abuse whether it be mentally, physically, or sexually from schools or placements similiar to yours then you could understand the anger and disgust pointed in your direction. You'd be able to empathize with them.

I'm not sure if posting this newspaper article will do much to change peoples opinion of you here on Fornits, or not? But, it's pretty much a guarantee that by saying what you said in your post, and the way you said it, people here are not going to like you even more.

I'm not even really sure why you decided to post? I am assuming that you did to basically rub everyones nose in the fact that you were found "Not Guilty". Not sure that was a good idea? Basically, in doing so you've disturbed the hive.

My advice, if you're truelly innocent........and your school, and staff are innocent........just let it go. The more you bring things up, the more you give people here something to talk about.

CCM girl 1989

Oh yeah Ganja, Psy is just so level headed. What a charming young man he is. So polite, so articulate! LOL. I just would of hated to see him without Prozac. He seems to be very angry even on meds?!! Maybe he needs to switch them? Sometimes they do need to do that because the effectivness wears off?!!

I just want to take this time to thank baby Jesus for providing Psy with Prozac. That's all, thank you again baby Jesus!!!!!

Dad Trying,

Get out while you can, LOL!!! Some of the posters here are able to give helpful advice, and that's great. But, some of them come on here to just argue till the cows come home. They love it!

Take a lot of what they have to say with a grain of salt. I try to not let them get under my skin. That's what they enjoy most. Sick, I know! But, hey that's just who they are! They can't help it, they still have a bunch of issues they have not dealt with.

Just feel sorry for them. I know I do.

The only one who is making sense is The Who. Period. End of story. Throw in the towel guys, you're losing.

I'll be starting a thread on Magnolia Criminal Center down in my own forum later. I've a few people who have expressed interest at taking a closer look at the place. Sad that an intelligent young man like Kevin could have tied his name and reputation to a place that is looking much like a standard industry duckfarm.

quack quack honk honk same old shit new face on it.

That's nice, who cares.  :roll:

ccm, no one needs you dishing out suggestions of any type of your brand of abuse, OK?  YOU AIN'T in a program now, as an upper level bitch, who gets to dispense abuse on anybody.  And anyone can say what they wish, and no one has to "put a cork in it."

Nobody HAS to put a cork in it?!! I just wish YOU would because I NEVER was some "upper level bitch"!!!! I was just quoted today by a former staff member as a total hellion when asked about me LOL!!!! You have no clue of who I was or who I am today. Remember this.......I'll dish out whatever I want, whenever I want, and how I want. So, back off bitch.

You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.

In a behavior modification facility.  33?  Well, I got at least 10 years on ya.

Yes, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.  Your solution is to lock them up?

Dumbass. :roll:

Have your opinions I will have mine. So what if you're 10 years older then me? By calling me a little girl I only assumed someone such as yourself who has the brain the size of a pea thought CCM girl 1989 meant that was the year I was born! BTW, if your 12 and getting knocked up.........um maybe you need to use a condom. Not only will it prevent that, but it could prevent you contacting an STD or HIV for god sakes.

You're not going to change my mind. It's not my job to go out there and find good treatment facilities. They do exist. You are a complete moron if you don't think they do. What, you want me on my own dime, to go out there and start investigation and locating these places for parents? And of course not make any money doing it!!!!! This whole subject is turning into a joke.

Listen here, if anyone can prove to me that Jeff Berryman is no better then WWASPS........then I would love to hear it. Show me proof!

Zen (or sound alike), as one who comes and goes, the last time I "went" was when ccm was getting abused by you, stoododog, Niles and a bunch of Anons. It was such a grotesque thing to witness, I left.

Among other things: you posted her photo, made fun of her looks, made fun of her family, accessed her personal messages and taunted her about that, eventually you posted her personal info. You didn’t deny what you did back then; you said posting her info was “her fault” for making it traceable. You did this all with a malicious sanctimonious glee. Your excuse for all this was that she wasn’t anti-program enough. But your excuse is not ethically sound.

I don’t think all those quotes are accurate but where they are they are in the context of being abused for no good reason or just being a fallible human being. It would be interesting to assemble your quotes. I doubt you’d stand up as well as ccm. Go to the source, and these quotes are after provocations. And in any event, it’s not your place to “punish” a survivor for failing to please you enough by posting her info, or judge her "lesser" than human and thusly "good" to torment.

SDD, can you provide links to the text in bold above?  I would like to know how zenagent accessed private messages.  Also, a link to where he posted photos since there is no link to him posting CCMgirl's info.  If you left out of disgust at "such a grotesque thing to witness" happening to CCMgirl, how do you view what has been happening to zenagent's daughter for months?  This is acceptable to you?  You claim such noble principles, but you're biased against THIS survivor???

it’s not your place to “punish” a survivor for failing to please you enough by posting her info, or judge her "lesser" than human and thusly "good" to torment.

How has zenagent's daughter failed to please these people abusing her?  She is certainly being treated like she's less than human and "good" to torment by some phantom vigilante mob who have gone beyond the "grotesque" in their mistreatment, IMO.

If zenagent ever knew CCMgirl's personal information, he would have posted it anonymously in anger by now.  If it were only zenagent being hounded, it would be o.k.  You're abusing this girl for sport, and there is no justification for it, IMO.  I don't agree with posting anyone's information, period.  CCMgirl's information isn't on the forum, but zenagent's daughter has hers posted everywhere by people who want her father.  It's grotesque to see people abuse zenagent's daughter to get at him.  This is like the worst program.

[Anonymous]

They're PV staff.

It's all they do.

It's all they know how to do.

[psy]

I would like to know how zenagent accessed private messages.

It's not possible.  Not even admins can do that.  It's as absurd an allegation as any other laid by the troll against Zen.

The troll's strategy is to repeat the same debunked false allegations over and over again in the hope that some will believe it and it will scare others away from Fornits.  It's why the troll never presents any evidence of his allegations, instead insisting that Zen produce evidence against himself (that doesn't even exist).

But anyway.  I'm breaking my own rules by even addressing this.  To echo a guest above: without replies the troll dies (and we can get back to actually addressing the important issues relating to this industry, which the troll desperately does not want)

[Anonymous]

In your words, I am a lying fucking bitch who is just god awful! You hope someone posts my information for real?!! That's not very nice. What will that accomplish? I haven't done anything to anyone.

Nah, she's a saint.  I hate to blow yer martyr charade.

Wow, that's a shocker coming home to all this! Once again, no sleep will be lost.

Fuck you all very much for your comments!

Sincerely,

CCM girl 1989

Thank you, CCM! I was debating whether or not to go for broke and do some prostitution while I still have the gear for it. I was worried what my friends and kids might think. But you've reminded me that it doesn't matter. I'll let ya know how it goes, k?
 :roll:

You know it's so tempting Ginger to just get in the ring with you (to throw insults back and forth). But, I'm not going to. You are doing a good thing here with Fornits, and I appreciate it as well as the thousands that take the time to stop by. But, sometimes the things you say make no sense. Try to be a little more open minded, and don't try to push your views on everyone here. You're coming across as the big bad bully. Not everyone thinks like you do, and nor should they. You trying to control peoples minds by not letting them state their opinions without the wrath of Ginger makes you just as bad as "THEM". Which to me makes no sense since you despise all these people we discuss here on Fornits.

Is it possible you've turned into one of them, and don't even know it?

We hear way too much from you TSW, shhhhhhhhhh. BFD!?!!! You're such a shit starter.

Put a cork in it! Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about. Do, us all a favor......... and handcuff your hands behind your back if you can't control yourself. Please, pretty please! I'm begging you!!!!!!!!!!!

You're soooooooo whitty TSW, so quick, so cool, god you're a fucking idiot. No, really! You are pathetic. Get outta the house, get off the computer, go have some social interaction. Even a dogs hairy ass is better then nothing!?!! Huh? Remember one thing, and one thing only from tonights exchange. You're nothing, nada! N-A-D-A!!!!!

Why are you insulting gookie instead of talking about why you feel we should not say programs are bad, CCM?

Niles, I've given you plenty of attention before. I'm over you, moving on to bigger losers like TSW.

Niles, are you finally coming down my friend? Up all night doing drugs? You, and your speed freak buddies are not to be trusted. You've taken this site, and blown it into tiny little pieces. Nobody should even think about posting here from programs. No staff, no parents, nobody.

It's painfully obvious the only people who are wanted here are the cry babies, and the VICTIMS, go cry me a river! See how boring this all will get. Nothing to argue over when you are invading the system, and changing, deleting posts.

You fucked up my little bitch.

lols.. CCM girl is off her meds also.

Get a life fucker!

You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.

Niles, my darling little pumpkie.........YOU WERE NEVER IN A PROGRAM! You don't know shit about them. What part of that can you not get through that thick skull of yours?!! How can I make it any more clearer?

You were never there, you are not a parent of a child who went there. I am not sure how the hell you got involved in this whole thing, but you have no clue what you are talking about my friend!

Go join the KKK, or the Geek Squad? I don't care as long as you just take your anger somewhere else you little freak.

We all have had different experiences while in programs. I have every right to say how it went down in the places I attended. I do feel badly for some people who were sexually abused. But, I am just saying that nobody was ever raped at any of the places I attended.

Sounds like Rachael had some interesting experiences though?

A child (someone under the age of majority) cannot consent to a sexual experience, under the law.

You have no idea what happened to other people.  I have 2 good friends who were raped by staff while there were 2 other staff and  5 other kids in the same house.  Nobody knew anything.  Including myself.  I was there and I had no idea.  However, after it was revealed and with the benefit of hindsight I found both of them to be completely credible and myself to have been completely clueless.   As you are now.

You are one callous, cruel little bitch.

Oh really? What house, or what program were you in? Name it, and name the staff who did it. If, and when you do that, maybe I'll give you the time of day. Until then you are just another anon posting a bunch of crap.

Drama queen.

Anne,

I would agree with you that more then likely your story did bore me, and that's why I don't remember it. I didn't need you to repeat your story again, I just asked what your age was, that's all.

Niles, I just want you to know what a heartless jerk I think you are. I totally voted for us all to get together for a party on your stupid poll. I will only come though if we use you as a pinyata! I just want to take a bat, and swing at you my friend.

Zen,

I will be in your neck of the woods come Thursday! Should I come pay you a visit? You have to admit there are some of you who act totally nuts on here, and that's just stating the obvious. Sorry if you took it personally. When I come to visit you what should I look for on your forehead? What will Deb have you tattooed with?

CCM girl

Out of curiosity..... Are you a mormon???

Not that it's any of your business, but no I am not! Hey, since you live in Boca, does that make you a jew?!! LOL!!!!!

Next time I am in Delray, I'll make sure and look you up. If Deborah has it her way you'll have JEW tattooed across your forehead in no time at all. But, how on earth will I set you apart from all the other jews out there?

Anyway, I personally could care less what religion anybody on this board, or on this earth here is. What matters most to me is what kind of person you are in your heart.

Unfortunately, a lot of you on here have proven to be total assholes who most of the time like to pretend you're smarter then everyone else.

Obviously you are not my son and quite obviously the rumor mongers that try to create a "so called life" here electronically had nothing more to say when the facts and the truth of the Dundee Ranch Fiasco didn’t quite turn out to be what they thought or believed. No one has posted here for months and of course no one has posted the fact that I, Narvin Lichfield was innocent and acquitted of any charges like I had been saying from the start...even though this was made publicly evident more than 4 months ago in the press this is the first posting of it to my knowledge and it is sad I had to be the one to do it. You would think the people here so ready to "bravely" slander others trying to look like the latest savior of the children would have the courage to admit when they have rushed to judgment and destroyed another’s persons name. Obviously no such honor among thieves exists for the persons who post here over the last 5 years in my opinion are just that “thieves” as defined by the bard they …steals trash; ’tis something, nothing. ‘Twas mine, ’tis his, and has been slave to thousands; But he that filches from me my good name Robs me of that which not enriches him And makes me poor indeed. Iago, Othello The Moore Of Venice, Act III Scene iii. ...it is my sincere hope that others do not treat you all with the same level of hypocrisy and poison I’ve experienced here at your hands and keyboards.. that you will never have this forced upon you over false allegations made by such needy people as Amberly Knight whose story changes every time it is told (just go check her testimony in the court documents in Colorado when she was advocating the virtues of the program against what she said in the Utah sue sheff case both were under oath) or by a now convicted pedophile in the form of Bruce Harris (Bruce was convicted of having sex with an under age boy for 3 years in central America) and as a result of a defunct pseudo-child caring organization like what we saw in Casa Alilanza that he was the director of that closed weeks after his arrest.. Karma has a way of coming around so be careful and try to treat the next guy with a little more kindness you might need it yourself some day.

Narvin,

I cannot speak for everyone here, but I for one did not set out to slander your name. I am guilty of watching the news, and reading articles on your school, and then discussing it openly. Your beef my friend, is with the media, and your former employees.

Nobody here knows you personally (I don't think??? If so then speak up). I think if you tried putting yourself in someone elses shoes besides your own, someone that did suffer abuse whether it be mentally, physically, or sexually from schools or placements similiar to yours then you could understand the anger and disgust pointed in your direction. You'd be able to empathize with them.

I'm not sure if posting this newspaper article will do much to change peoples opinion of you here on Fornits, or not? But, it's pretty much a guarantee that by saying what you said in your post, and the way you said it, people here are not going to like you even more.

I'm not even really sure why you decided to post? I am assuming that you did to basically rub everyones nose in the fact that you were found "Not Guilty". Not sure that was a good idea? Basically, in doing so you've disturbed the hive.

My advice, if you're truelly innocent........and your school, and staff are innocent........just let it go. The more you bring things up, the more you give people here something to talk about.

CCM girl 1989

Oh yeah Ganja, Psy is just so level headed. What a charming young man he is. So polite, so articulate! LOL. I just would of hated to see him without Prozac. He seems to be very angry even on meds?!! Maybe he needs to switch them? Sometimes they do need to do that because the effectivness wears off?!!

I just want to take this time to thank baby Jesus for providing Psy with Prozac. That's all, thank you again baby Jesus!!!!!

Dad Trying,

Get out while you can, LOL!!! Some of the posters here are able to give helpful advice, and that's great. But, some of them come on here to just argue till the cows come home. They love it!

Take a lot of what they have to say with a grain of salt. I try to not let them get under my skin. That's what they enjoy most. Sick, I know! But, hey that's just who they are! They can't help it, they still have a bunch of issues they have not dealt with.

Just feel sorry for them. I know I do.

The only one who is making sense is The Who. Period. End of story. Throw in the towel guys, you're losing.

I'll be starting a thread on Magnolia Criminal Center down in my own forum later. I've a few people who have expressed interest at taking a closer look at the place. Sad that an intelligent young man like Kevin could have tied his name and reputation to a place that is looking much like a standard industry duckfarm.

quack quack honk honk same old shit new face on it.

That's nice, who cares.  :roll:

ccm, no one needs you dishing out suggestions of any type of your brand of abuse, OK?  YOU AIN'T in a program now, as an upper level bitch, who gets to dispense abuse on anybody.  And anyone can say what they wish, and no one has to "put a cork in it."

Nobody HAS to put a cork in it?!! I just wish YOU would because I NEVER was some "upper level bitch"!!!! I was just quoted today by a former staff member as a total hellion when asked about me LOL!!!! You have no clue of who I was or who I am today. Remember this.......I'll dish out whatever I want, whenever I want, and how I want. So, back off bitch.

You were in one what?!!! Back off little girl? Hahaha I'm 33 years old. You're a real dumbass ya know, and as far as you being a parent? Big deal, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.

In a behavior modification facility.  33?  Well, I got at least 10 years on ya.

Yes, there are 12 year olds out there having babies.  Your solution is to lock them up?

Dumbass. :roll:

Have your opinions I will have mine. So what if you're 10 years older then me? By calling me a little girl I only assumed someone such as yourself who has the brain the size of a pea thought CCM girl 1989 meant that was the year I was born! BTW, if your 12 and getting knocked up.........um maybe you need to use a condom. Not only will it prevent that, but it could prevent you contacting an STD or HIV for god sakes.

You're not going to change my mind. It's not my job to go out there and find good treatment facilities. They do exist. You are a complete moron if you don't think they do. What, you want me on my own dime, to go out there and start investigation and locating these places for parents? And of course not make any money doing it!!!!! This whole subject is turning into a joke.

Listen here, if anyone can prove to me that Jeff Berryman is no better then WWASPS........then I would love to hear it. Show me proof!

Zen (or sound alike), as one who comes and goes, the last time I "went" was when ccm was getting abused by you, stoododog, Niles and a bunch of Anons. It was such a grotesque thing to witness, I left.

Among other things: you posted her photo, made fun of her looks, made fun of her family, accessed her personal messages and taunted her about that, eventually you posted her personal info. You didn’t deny what you did back then; you said posting her info was “her fault” for making it traceable. You did this all with a malicious sanctimonious glee. Your excuse for all this was that she wasn’t anti-program enough. But your excuse is not ethically sound.

I don’t think all those quotes are accurate but where they are they are in the context of being abused for no good reason or just being a fallible human being. It would be interesting to assemble your quotes. I doubt you’d stand up as well as ccm. Go to the source, and these quotes are after provocations. And in any event, it’s not your place to “punish” a survivor for failing to please you enough by posting her info, or judge her "lesser" than human and thusly "good" to torment.

SDD, can you provide links to the text in bold above?  I would like to know how zenagent accessed private messages.  Also, a link to where he posted photos since there is no link to him posting CCMgirl's info.  If you left out of disgust at "such a grotesque thing to witness" happening to CCMgirl, how do you view what has been happening to zenagent's daughter for months?  This is acceptable to you?  You claim such noble principles, but you're biased against THIS survivor???

it’s not your place to “punish” a survivor for failing to please you enough by posting her info, or judge her "lesser" than human and thusly "good" to torment.

How has zenagent's daughter failed to please these people abusing her?  She is certainly being treated like she's less than human and "good" to torment by some phantom vigilante mob who have gone beyond the "grotesque" in their mistreatment, IMO.

If zenagent ever knew CCMgirl's personal information, he would have posted it anonymously in anger by now.  If it were only zenagent being hounded, it would be o.k.  You're abusing this girl for sport, and there is no justification for it, IMO.  I don't agree with posting anyone's information, period.  CCMgirl's information isn't on the forum, but zenagent's daughter has hers posted everywhere by people who want her father.  It's grotesque to see people abuse zenagent's daughter to get at him.  This is like the worst program.

Did I say I'm in favor of having that person's info posted? Che isn't a moderator here, which is the issue.

[Anonymous]

I would like to know how zenagent accessed private messages.

It's not possible.  Not even admins can do that.  It's as absurd an allegation as any other laid by the troll against Zen.

Um, I don’t know what mods have access to. Maybe people assume Zen boasting and taunting her about getting her p.m s isn't all bs?

Makes anonymous, false allegations so she doesn't have to back them up, and allies herself closely with the who.  I got enough PM's with background on "CCM" to know she's as believable as thewho.

The troll's strategy is to repeat the same debunked false allegations over and over again in the hope that some will believe it and it will scare others away from Fornits.  It's why the troll never presents any evidence of his allegations, instead insisting that Zen produce evidence against himself (that doesn't even exist).

But anyway.  I'm breaking my own rules by even addressing this.  To echo a guest above: without replies the troll dies (and we can get back to actually addressing the important issues relating to this industry, which the troll desperately does not want)
[/quote]

Thanks. That's not my "strategy." I'm just saying there is an original post that zen is lying about never having existed

Post evidence I did what you say - you can't, you never even saw the post.  Only the Who and I saw it, and look at the mess your troll pal cooked up with the shit he created.

Put up the link to the original post, with what I said.

(her first name, blanks..............................)

You notice I left a lot of blanks?

DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who.  Obviously.

Now, honor your end and post something other than a dead thread.  You're not giving me FACTS, just re-hashes.

Share your "information".

Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.

Okay, first I'd like to apologize to CCM - I didn't use anything more than your first name and home state, (you used to sign your posts with your first name).  I did add your husband's first name, too. 

What is he talking about but the "original" post? I don't know where it is. Obviously he does. So ask him to link to it and then you can see what was there originally...if you want to find that out.

Do you any of the above quotes have been altered? They haven't (though some of them aren't on the forum as half this forum disappeared when the server crashed.) If you want me to send you "proof" of that ,or whatever, i will.

[psy]

Do you any of the above quotes have been altered?

1. Yes.  The highlighted line in red (above post) was never in the original here (febuary post), which, as you can also see, has not been modified as there is no modificiation tag*.

2. Even if such a line was there (which it wasn't, since the post I linked to above wasn't modified), all it would show is that Zen posted CCM's first name, Miranda, which was public knowledge (something that she published on antiWWASP and on her myspace page, available by googling her username).  If the line you inserted (forged) is accurate (which it's not since the post was not modified), all it would show is that zen threatened to out CCM, but did not actually do so (and none of that even shows he even had her info).

3. Even if Zen did out CCM by providing her full name, (which he did not do, and could not have done, as detailed above), there was no harm done, as not even CCM can provide evidence that she was harmed.

I am addressing this now as I did before the server crash and that post was lost (All posts between March 10th and about June 10th).  I will not address this again.  Rather I will quote this post.

*modifications made within 5 mins of posting are not recorded.  However.  See point 2.

[Che Gookin]

Despite the fact that Zen wants to kick my ass, and rightly so, I fully endorse this bloke as a moderator of a PV forum. I can't think of anyone who has put more time trying to expose this slophole than him.

I see this as a total assualt by PV supporters to undermine his and other's efforts. We've seen the same crap against Psy, Ginger, and a few others.

By all means hate me if you will, i sorta enjoy it, but don't lose faith in Zen's dedication to kicking PV in the balls. If anything now is the time to rally behind this dude like some of you are currently doing. Keep doing it.. Keep supporting him.

I'm glad Zen has stopped responding to all of this. Hopefully he gets focused on taking out PV.



Also these massive cut and paste thingies worry me. If you scroll down to fast they could probably induce seizures.

[Guest]

Despite the fact that Zen wants to kick my ass, and rightly so, I fully endorse this bloke as a moderator of a PV forum. I can't think of anyone who has put more time trying to expose this slophole than him.

I see this as a total assualt by PV supporters to undermine his and other's efforts. We've seen the same crap against Psy, Ginger, and a few others.

By all means hate me if you will, i sorta enjoy it, but don't lose faith in Zen's dedication to kicking PV in the balls. If anything now is the time to rally behind this dude like some of you are currently doing. Keep doing it.. Keep supporting him.

I'm glad Zen has stopped responding to all of this. Hopefully he gets focused on taking out PV.



Also these massive cut and paste thingies worry me. If you scroll down to fast they could probably induce seizures.

No. You see paranoid types pissed and worried about what can be found out about them and you see regular fornits trolls joining in the ruckus.  Zen's not responding because he's caught in a lie.

[psy]

Despite the fact that Zen wants to kick my ass, and rightly so, I fully endorse this bloke as a moderator of a PV forum. I can't think of anyone who has put more time trying to expose this slophole than him.

I see this as a total assualt by PV supporters to undermine his and other's efforts. We've seen the same crap against Psy, Ginger, and a few others.

By all means hate me if you will, i sorta enjoy it, but don't lose faith in Zen's dedication to kicking PV in the balls. If anything now is the time to rally behind this dude like some of you are currently doing. Keep doing it.. Keep supporting him.

I'm glad Zen has stopped responding to all of this. Hopefully he gets focused on taking out PV.



Also these massive cut and paste thingies worry me. If you scroll down to fast they could probably induce seizures.

No. You see paranoid types pissed and worried about what can be found out about them and you see regular fornits trolls joining in the ruckus.  Zen's not responding because he's caught in a lie.

http://fornits.com/smf/http://www.forni ... 26#p312826

[Che Gookin]

No.. I'm the one to blame.

I hired a hacker named Neo to alter Zen's post and we dubbed it, "Operation Follow the Rabbit".  I also was the man on the mound. I also staged the lunar landings.. they really went down on a beach in north carolina.. and 911 never happened. That was a huge LSD induced hoax.


Also..

Congrats.. fornits is the proud new owner of www.peninsulavillageexposed.com

keep at it trolls. You are only going to make this worst for your little shit hole. The truth about PV can't be contained.

[Anonymous]

Do you any of the above quotes have been altered?

1. Yes.  The highlighted line in red (above post) was never in the original here (febuary post), which, as you can also see, has not been modified as there is no modificiation tag*.

2. Even if such a line was there (which it wasn't, since the post I linked to above wasn't modified), all it would show is that Zen posted CCM's first name, Miranda, which was public knowledge (something that she published on antiWWASP and on her myspace page, available by googling her username).  If the line you inserted (forged) is accurate (which it's not since the post was not modified), all it would show is that zen threatened to out CCM, but did not actually do so (and none of that even shows he even had her info).

3. Even if Zen did out CCM by providing her full name, (which he did not do, and could not have done, as detailed above), there was no harm done, as not even CCM can provide evidence that she was harmed.

That’s a quote of a quote. Someone apparently was summarizing what they felt was written above it. They are not “forging” the quote as they make it clear they are ADDING their own words by using red and parenthesis.

What was relevant there, anyway, was Zen talking about the post that he says never existed. That part is still up in the carcass thread.

I have a lot of quotes from before the server shut down cuz my machine auto saves shit. Those posts are 100% true to the original I quoted. I can send you "proof" of everything. If you want to tell me how to post images, I’ll post it here.

He also said this. The first is obviously not the a link to the original quote, though.

Yep. I could edit it because I posted under my user name, unlike your cowardly trolling

And this

Post evidence I did what you say - you can't, you never even saw the post.  Only the Who and I saw it, and look at the mess your troll pal cooked up with the shit he created.

Put up the link to the original post, with what I said.

There is OBVIOUSLY an original post. Zen lies and says never exist. In this post, apparently, he was outted, or (he used to say threatened) to out ccm as a way of making who do something.

I think he completely deleted the original post which is why he’s claiming there never was one now. Can you unearth deleted posts if he tells you where it was?

[Anonymous]

Yeah. Here's him lying about it never existing:

   

The "bury this carcass thread" is where it took place, nowhere else, and whatever you are looking for "exists" there.  Read the thread or ask the admin. I haven't admitted to any "original post" somewhere else, because there simply isn't one. Maybe you're confused by the one Psy identified as another troll's fake, but that's the one CCM, Who and a bunch of people with no names kept posting as the ultimate "proof".   After Psy showed it was a fiction, the witch hunt shifted to  a search for some "other" phantom post.  If "so many" claim to have seen this post, why ask me to find it?  CCM and others swore up and down that they saw full info, until Psy showed it had never existed - the post they cited as a "censored" one was a fraud.  THEN the argument scaled down to "posting first names is a sin".  A lot of old timers refer to CCM by her given Christian name, she signed her posts with it.  Didn't realize it was such a big deal if she used it on the forum. I guess the troll bloc decides on who gets to use posted first names and who does not.

so you know, I'm not makin' this up.

[Anonymous]

NOTE TO EXTREMELY REPETITIVE AND EXTREMELY BORING TROLL:

I don't think anyone but you even gives a shit by this point.

Psy, can you just nuke this thread and the dozen others like it as pure chaff? This isn't communication. This isn't even sense. This is just some sad monkey repeating and quoting himself, over and over again.

Sorry Zen, but Ajax has you all beat to hell in the getting trolled competition. His troll at least knows more than one tune.