is it a good idea to have zen as moderator?

[Che Gookin]

Masons

 :-  I'm glad I didn't join this bunch like old gramps wanted me to! I'd hate to have this gal after me!

[Anonymous]

Oh my GOD!  Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Already.

Seriously, everyone is so goddamn sick of this shit.  YOU are the only one who's bitching about it.  YOU are the only one who cares.  Fucking GIVE IT UP!!!  Goddamn man.  Get a fucking hobby or something.  This obsession with Zen is really starting to become unhealthy.

This’ll be a shock, but you don’t decide about what one can say. Yes, I care that a survivor was outed for sadistic fun by a mod(through abuse of power) who is in a position to do it to another person

Not if you're a Keller Williams fan, then it is "freek". I know what you're talking about, but the people you're trying to scare away? They're going to think you're a nutter. Nutter, English slang for insane person, and you are indeed out there on the lunatic fringe. WAY the fuck out there. The time has passed for this. You find things well enough, no one's going to go on what amounts to a snipe hunt (that's a wild goose chase, wunderkind) for you. You are the self-appointed prosecutor on Fornits, the burden of proof is on you. Quit begging Zen. If you can't find whatever it is that seems to be your Holy Grail, then don't bother the rest of us. Go bother the Masons, the Rosicrucians, the Scientologists...
Freeker

I’m not familiar with “Keller Williams.” “Freek’s” generally used positively; “freak:” negatively, slang-wise. But, since your interest is stopping examinations of topics which make you uncomfortable through verbal abuse, exact meaning is secondary, I’m sure.

In regards to “burden of proof,” this ain’t a court of law, and if the Zen didn’t delete the post he talks about below, why not simply link to it and prove that he doesn’t abuse survivors? Aww, hell, the answer’s obvious.

CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this?  I will, but I consider it extortion.  You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.

I'll delete this after you answer me...

You notice I left a lot of blanks?

DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who.  Obviously.

Now, honor your end and post something other than a dead thread.  You're not giving me FACTS, just re-hashes.

Share your "information".

Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.

Okay, first I'd like to apologize to CCM - I didn't use anything more than your first name and home state, (you used to sign your posts with your first name).  I did add your husband's first name, too.  Not enough info to threaten your privacy.  You know I didn't post the pics.  Again, I apologize.

Post evidence I did what you say - you can't, you never even saw the post.  Only the Who and I saw it, and look at the mess your troll pal cooked up with the shit he created.

Put up the link to the original post, with what I said.

[Froderik]

Oh my GOD!  Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Already.

Seriously, everyone is so goddamn sick of this shit.  YOU are the only one who's bitching about it.  YOU are the only one who cares.  Fucking GIVE IT UP!!!  Goddamn man.  Get a fucking hobby or something.  This obsession with Zen is really starting to become unhealthy.

This’ll be a shock, but you don’t decide about what one can say. Yes, I care that a survivor was outed for sadistic fun by a mod(through abuse of power) who is in a position to do it to another person

Not if you're a Keller Williams fan, then it is "freek". I know what you're talking about, but the people you're trying to scare away? They're going to think you're a nutter. Nutter, English slang for insane person, and you are indeed out there on the lunatic fringe. WAY the fuck out there. The time has passed for this. You find things well enough, no one's going to go on what amounts to a snipe hunt (that's a wild goose chase, wunderkind) for you. You are the self-appointed prosecutor on Fornits, the burden of proof is on you. Quit begging Zen. If you can't find whatever it is that seems to be your Holy Grail, then don't bother the rest of us. Go bother the Masons, the Rosicrucians, the Scientologists...
Freeker

I’m not familiar with “Keller Williams.” “Freek’s” generally used positively; “freak:” negatively, slang-wise. But, since your interest is stopping examinations of topics which make you uncomfortable through verbal abuse, exact meaning is secondary, I’m sure.

In regards to “burden of proof,” this ain’t a court of law, and if the Zen didn’t delete the post he talks about below, why not simply link to it and prove that he doesn’t abuse survivors? Aww, hell, the answer’s obvious.

CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this?  I will, but I consider it extortion.  You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.

I'll delete this after you answer me...

You notice I left a lot of blanks?

DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who.  Obviously.

Now, honor your end and post something other than a dead thread.  You're not giving me FACTS, just re-hashes.

Share your "information".

Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.

Okay, first I'd like to apologize to CCM - I didn't use anything more than your first name and home state, (you used to sign your posts with your first name).  I did add your husband's first name, too.  Not enough info to threaten your privacy.  You know I didn't post the pics.  Again, I apologize.

Post evidence I did what you say - you can't, you never even saw the post.  Only the Who and I saw it, and look at the mess your troll pal cooked up with the shit he created.

Put up the link to the original post, with what I said.

Shut the fuck up!

[Anonymous]

CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this?  I will, but I consider it extortion.  You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.

I'll delete this after you answer me...

You notice I left a lot of blanks?

DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who.  Obviously.

Now, honor your end and post something other than a dead thread.  You're not giving me FACTS, just re-hashes.

Share your "information".

Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.

I'm the poster who signed in as "moderate"  I was only trying to fuck with theWho, not Zen.  You trolls ran with it.  Zen never posted shit about Cc

No, troll:  YOU ALTERED MY POST!!!!  Shit, I never expected a joke to be taken so far.

The original I made up:

http://fornits.com/smf/viewtopic.php?f= ... 50#p309739

CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this?  I will, but I consider it extortion.  You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.

I'll delete this after you answer me...

Quoted for those who are unfamiliar with ZenAgent's tactics.  He is willing to reveal CCM's full name and husband's name, just because he is mad at TheWho and perceives CCM as TheWho's ally. I removed the names he posted. CCM spent four years locked away in programs - almost her entire adolescence - she has earned her right to an opinion on this industry without threats. Here is  yet another fornits moderator resorting to heavy handed tactics and threats to reform the discussion to their liking. Wonder why people feel unsafe posting here?

I just have one question. If TheWho was such a bad guy, why would he give two-shits if information about a program survivor is revealed?

See how I provided my actual link?

IDIOT TROLL!  Proof once and for all you know that zen never posted shit. I know, because I posted the "name deleted", etc. bullshit.

Zen, I apologize.  I only wanted to take the piss out of theWho.  Never expected the PV shitheads to troll the livin' bejesus out of it or post your kid's info and your address.  Think about it, who else would have your address and phone # at their fingertips?

I'm truly sorry to Siobhan and the family.  I can't believe this snowballed.  And PV trolls, you can burn in hell, douche bags.  Don't try to make up shit to discredit people who are exposing the kid torture camp you run.

[Froderik]

Well that settles that, then.  ::poke::

Still, I suspect this asshole will never quit trying.  ::deadhorse::

[Anonymous]

Everybody who is ever going to read this thread has already read it.

[Guest]

NO.
the guy's a survior abusin' menace, who makes us look like dishinest nuts

[Anonymous]

NO.
the guy's a survior abusin' menace, who makes us look like dishinest nuts

And you're a fucking douche that can't type or spell. Fuck off, eat shit, and DIE. NOW.
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=25408&p=317257#p317257

[Guest]

NO.
the guy's a survior abusin' menace, who makes us look like dishinest nuts

And you're a fucking douche that can't type or spell. Fuck off, eat shit, and DIE. NOW.
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=25408&p=317257#p317257

If you go warm and fuzzy believing each guest posting on this subject is the same, go for it.

However, because you don’t have my personal info, unlike CCM, your no-brow insults and threats aren’t effective behavior modifiers. They serve only to reflect poorly on you. Why are you so angry?

[Anonymous]

However, because you don’t have my personal info, unlike CCM, your no-brow insults and threats aren’t effective behavior modifiers.

Hate to piss on your party, but you can be found. You can run, but you can't hide.

But for now--- let's bring on the ABUSE!!!!

[Anonymous]

Hate to piss on your party, but you can be found. You can run, but you can't hide.

But for now--- let's bring on the ABUSE!!!!

I'd like to inject some liquidity into the abuse market.

This goes out to all the dipshit program parents who are still, somehow, in the audience:

Your lives are meaningless, your beliefs are trite. You thought that imprisoning your kid in some hellhole (that could get them nominated for President, if only it was in Vietnam) would somehow help them or make them respect you. The result, of course, is that not only does your kid have no more respect for you than a bulldozer does a daffodil, the rest of the nation has recognized your petty brutality for what it is, leaving you alone and friendless, dead to society, another nutcase to pack away in some forgotten corner of some Section 8 housing. (Feel good about taking that second mortgage NOW, cunt? LOL)

Only one option remains for you: Swallow a gun. And when I say swallow I mean SWALLOW, with three full inches of hot, warm barrel blowing a load of .45 down your throat. I'd like to see you spit THAT, bitch.

[Anonymous]

I don't know that anyone still cares about this, but in my opinion, no. I that  girl's info up.
I'm posting something I wrote in a different thread here, as people are going on about it here.
I also don't think that the other person who outed the other girl should be allowed here. and that people's address's should be left up.
If u want to use a forum that isn't insane, check out cafety , or fica, or antiwwasp

Oh noes. Each time I visit thefornits farm this shit’s still gettin shoveled.

Sorry about all this. If Zen had just been honest in the very beginning.......!

I WAS honest.
Read above, CCM - your Jesus friend admitted I used blanks for your info.  

To God loves us all - you did admit I used blanks to disguise this woman's identity, and I get the feeling that still upset you.  I appreciate your honesty in setting the record straight about CCM's info not being posted in full, as she and Who claimed..  

I’ve gotta say: as I saw you out CCM, ZA, I’m offended to see you call her, a survivor, a liar.

You did post CCM & husband’s full name & address: U were squabbling w/who about something. Later, u edited out part of her info, the edit is what “God is all” quoted.

“God is all” does NOT verify that when he quoted you, you “used blanks to hide her identity.” He did NOT verify you just posted her first name, state, and “blanks,” which is what you’ve claimed. (Sometimes claimed, anyway) He verifies that in your post you effectively outed her, and that your quote that you've claimed is doctored, is factual.
“God” verifies this—

Yes, the post did include a few X's that blocked out some letters in her, her husband's full name, city and state. But it was easy enough to fill in the blanks, the effect was the same. To call leaving a few letters out of her information "respectful to CCM" is absurd.

I’m not sure why you chime in with  accounts of what you did. Your accounts have been shown fraudulent to the point they are meaningless: You said “god is all’s” quote of you extorting CCM, was a “fiction” and it couldn’t be found because it “never existed.”

Maybe you're confused by the one Psy identified as another troll's fake, but that's the one CCM, Who and a bunch of people with no names kept posting as the ultimate "proof".   After Psy showed it was a fiction, the witch hunt shifted to  a search for some "other" phantom post.  If "so many" claim to have seen this post, why ask me to find it?  CCM and others swore up and down that they saw full info, [r]until Psy showed it had never existed - the post they cited as a "censored" one was a fraud.[/r]

So there was no "deleted" post, and the post that keeps coming up has been investigated by Psy and identified as the fiction of some anonymous troll.  

The “witch hunt” for the “phantom post” was the search for your post that “god” quoted—which you deleted, & claimed never existed and was a fraud.

Alternatively, you claimed to have put non-privacy disturbing info up about CCM, Not true, disproved by "god," and not what u r claiming to have posted now.

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The only correct first name used was CCM's - I made one up for her husband, and her address is unknown to me.  
 

Or, this

Okay, first I'd like to apologize to CCM - I didn't use anything more than your first name and home state, (you used to sign your posts with your first name).  I did add your husband's first name, too.  

I wish you'd cut de crap. And if I see you or an admin saying a survivor “lied” about any experience, which I can personally corroborate, I’ll post a corrective.Sorry. It’s funny. You can believe a survivor over a program parent about anything

[Anonymous]

^^ Wacko job stirring the pot. ignore.

[Anonymous]

I simply just replied I was more into teabagging, and a strumpet kind of gal.

[Anonymous]

How can you let someone who works here out a survivor for a trollgasm, Antigen, Psy, Vodka?

I don’t like seeing fornits turn into  CAICA.

And that’s the last I’ll say 'bout this.

anon

Oh noes. Each time I visit thefornits farm this shit’s still gettin shoveled.

Sorry about all this. If Zen had just been honest in the very beginning.......!

I WAS honest.
Read above, CCM - your Jesus friend admitted I used blanks for your info.  

To God loves us all - you did admit I used blanks to disguise this woman's identity, and I get the feeling that still upset you.  I appreciate your honesty in setting the record straight about CCM's info not being posted in full, as she and Who claimed..  

I’ve gotta say: as I saw you out CCM, ZA, I’m offended to see you call her, a survivor, a liar.

You did post CCM & husband’s full name & address: U were squabbling w/who about something. Later, u edited out part of her info, the edit is what “God is all” quoted.

“God is all” does NOT verify that when he quoted you, you “used blanks to hide her identity.” He did NOT verify you just posted her first name, state, and “blanks,” which is what you’ve claimed. (Sometimes claimed, anyway) He verifies that in your post you effectively outed her, and that your quote that you've claimed is doctored, is factual.
“God” verifies this—

Yes, the post did include a few X's that blocked out some letters in her, her husband's full name, city and state. But it was easy enough to fill in the blanks, the effect was the same. To call leaving a few letters out of her information "respectful to CCM" is absurd.

I’m not sure why you chime in with  accounts of what you did. Your accounts have been shown fraudulent to the point they are meaningless: You said “god is all’s” quote of you extorting CCM, was a “fiction” and it couldn’t be found because it “never existed.”

Maybe you're confused by the one Psy identified as another troll's fake, but that's the one CCM, Who and a bunch of people with no names kept posting as the ultimate "proof".   After Psy showed it was a fiction, the witch hunt shifted to  a search for some "other" phantom post.  If "so many" claim to have seen this post, why ask me to find it?  CCM and others swore up and down that they saw full info, [r]until Psy showed it had never existed - the post they cited as a "censored" one was a fraud.[/r]

So there was no "deleted" post, and the post that keeps coming up has been investigated by Psy and identified as the fiction of some anonymous troll.  

The “witch hunt” for the “phantom post” was the search for your post that “god” quoted—which you deleted, & claimed never existed and was a fraud.

Alternatively, you claimed to have put non-privacy disturbing info up about CCM, Not true, disproved by "god," and not what u r claiming to have posted now.

[
The only correct first name used was CCM's - I made one up for her husband, and her address is unknown to me.  
 

Or, this

Okay, first I'd like to apologize to CCM - I didn't use anything more than your first name and home state, (you used to sign your posts with your first name).  I did add your husband's first name, too.  

I wish you'd cut de crap. And if I see you or an admin saying a survivor “lied” about any experience, which I can personally corroborate, I’ll post a corrective.Sorry. It’s funny. You can believe a survivor over a program parent about anything