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« Reply #150 on: September 30, 2005, 06:24:00 PM »
To the anonymous person who is promoting TLC and organizations like it, I hail you as the greatest fool. You think because you're a parent you have the right to send your kid to hell? Lets see if you can even handle a day in a bootcamp like that. I bet you would collapse from exhaustion, and give up within 5 minutes. Especially when drill sgts work together and want to have "fun" the sad part is, being taken down isn't the worse thing. I was actually glad to be taken down so that i could at least have a few minutes to catch a breath! When a sgt. gives you a punishment, usually 100-1000 of a certain excersize they tend to add more on for their own amusement. By the way when your kid tells you that they "love you and thank you for sending you to thayer" what they really mean is that they hate your guts, and can't believe you sent them to craphole in some hick town. I faked my way through the program at TLC and so did everyone I know. You are ignorant, and you must have some megalomaniacal issues if you praise TLC.  People like you should jump off a cliff. :tup:
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« Reply #151 on: September 30, 2005, 07:15:00 PM »
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On 2005-09-30 15:24:00, Sin wrote:

"To the anonymous person who is promoting TLC and organizations like it, I hail you as the greatest fool. You think because you're a parent you have the right to send your kid to hell? Lets see if you can even handle a day in a bootcamp like that. I bet you would collapse from exhaustion, and give up within 5 minutes. Especially when drill sgts work together and want to have "fun" the sad part is, being taken down isn't the worse thing. I was actually glad to be taken down so that i could at least have a few minutes to catch a breath! When a sgt. gives you a punishment, usually 100-1000 of a certain excersize they tend to add more on for their own amusement. By the way when your kid tells you that they "love you and thank you for sending you to thayer" what they really mean is that they hate your guts, and can't believe you sent them to craphole in some hick town. I faked my way through the program at TLC and so did everyone I know. You are ignorant, and you must have some megalomaniacal issues if you praise TLC.  People like you should jump off a cliff. :tup: "

Oh come on, dont hold back, tell us how you really feel!!!  We are all friends here.
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« Reply #152 on: July 04, 2006, 10:46:00 AM »
Ok, just found this site,thread, topic, etc.  So, no username yet-I'll pick one later.  As far as the 'perfect son'-and how good old nemo says to keep asking later, etc.  Just maybe his kid did what I did.  Now, I wasn't transported to Thayer, I had the misfortune of going to a WWASP program-big deal, same torture.  I realized I wasn't going home, so I worked it and stayed under the radar as much as possible.  Graduated and came home.  No, the good old computer and workbook didn't get me into a university, but it DID get me into a community college (paid for by my parents since I graduated!).  And then a transfer to a four-year school (Kean University in NJ if you must know).  From which I also graduated and got a real job.  At which point I dropped my parents cold-I told them what I thought of their sending me to SCL.  And told them to leave me the hell alone-and have rebuffed any attempt on their part to reconcile.  They weren't present at our wedding, they have NEVER seen my son-and never will if I have anything to say about it.  Did I use them? Damned right I did.  Payback is hell, isn't it?

Oh-and what did I do to get there?  Cutting school a few times, not so great grades, and not wanting to take the courses my parents thought were so wonderful-like advanced math or chemistry, things like that.  NO drugs, some drinking (never DWI though) and smoking. Real horrible kid, huh?  Now I'm an assistant manager in a department store and have a great life-not because of SCL, though.  I'm still doing what they didn't want me to do, but now they're OUT of my life.  Gee Nemo-maybe that's what your kid has planned!
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« Reply #153 on: July 13, 2006, 11:27:26 AM »
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To the anonymous person who is promoting TLC and organizations like it, I hail you as the greatest fool. You think because you're a parent you have the right to send your kid to hell? Lets see if you can even handle a day in a bootcamp like that. I bet you would collapse from exhaustion, and give up within 5 minutes. Especially when drill sgts work together and want to have "fun" the sad part is, being taken down isn't the worse thing. I was actually glad to be taken down so that i could at least have a few minutes to catch a breath! When a sgt. gives you a punishment, usually 100-1000 of a certain excersize they tend to add more on for their own amusement. By the way when your kid tells you that they "love you and thank you for sending you to thayer" what they really mean is that they hate your guts, and can't believe you sent them to craphole in some hick town. I faked my way through the program at TLC and so did everyone I know. You are ignorant, and you must have some megalomaniacal issues if you praise TLC.  People like you should jump off a cliff. :tup:


I mean its really sad at tlc...kids don't want to be there obviously and so they do what they are told just avoid punishment and fake their way through thr program.  So then they are punished for being fake, but they canot be "real" because then they get punished for that too.  It's a tough situation for every kid there.  Most kids fake their way.  There's not doubt about that.  When anyone from any marketing group says it changes kids' lives, they are speaking truth.  But they do not say how it changes them.  Being at tlc would make any kid more rebelious and want to hate their parents.  It's true.
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« Reply #154 on: August 04, 2006, 10:12:56 AM »
I vaguely remember you.

So your kid is in college?  

Wait.

In 5 or so years when the brainwashing wears off, you're gonna have hell to pay.

What goes around comes around.  You deserve it.

Julie
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« Reply #155 on: August 04, 2006, 08:11:50 PM »
Honestly...I really hope it won't take 5 years for the brainwashing to wear off!!!  Hopefully it will be sooner.


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I vaguely remember you.

So your kid is in college?  

Wait.

In 5 or so years when the brainwashing wears off, you're gonna have hell to pay.

What goes around comes around.  You deserve it.

Julie
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« Reply #156 on: August 07, 2006, 08:51:54 PM »
I've heard from exit counselors that it takes three, and that's about what it took for me. However, it took me 18 years to then truly deal with it and move beyond the mental torment... And I needed years of therapy.

 :idea: It's called raising your kid yourself.
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« Reply #157 on: December 18, 2006, 08:37:15 PM »
I've been looking in to TBS like Thayer, WWASP, and others for the past year and believe me the damage done to these kids is very real and complex. Nemo, your son may appear to be doing well but like others have said it will take sometime for him to come to terms with his experience. If you are a loving parent please be willing to take what many survivors are saying seriously, and be willing to listen to your son and offer him support if he comes to you to speak about his Thayer experience.

If any of you feel attacked at this site vist the isaccorp's website . It has great documentation and you can read up on many facilities like Thayer. One thing you'll notice is that the abuse claims are all very similar, across time and facilities. Many of the facilities use the same kinds of tactics. Even the death's that occur happen under similar circumstances and the following excuses are usually given.
  • "it was an accident"
  • "he/she was unhealthy"
  • "she was in the wrong program"
  • "he never complained of any problem"
Look at Martian Lee Anderson, if his beating wasn't caught on tape his death would have fallen under the same accuses. It's sad that it took a "video taped" death to cause Florida to rethink it's bootcamp system. However it seems that this kind of proof is the only thing the Government and parents(like yourself) will believe.

Someone made the comment that one death is not reason enough to shutdown the "teen-help" industry, and that any problems can be fixed. I'm sorry but the ones who keep fighting independent oversight is the teen-help industry. They are the ones who hire untrained staff. They are the ones who use fraudulent business practices to get kids in to their programs. The teen-help industry don't want it fixed because they are making good money with the current system. Also death is not the only bad outcome, ptsd is very common amongst kids who end up in places like Thayer. Suicide and drug use are other pitfalls many survivors face. Ptsd-related to stays in TBS may not make the headlines, but the impact on the survivor and their family is great.. even greater then death, because the dead don't scream at night, they don't have flash backs of abuse and humiliation, the dead don't try to kill themselves because they're in pain that no one acknowledges.  

Believe me and the people here when we say that the teen-help industry sees your children as commodities, money wrapped in flesh.
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« Reply #158 on: February 18, 2007, 10:39:32 AM »
umm I just happened to read a statement advising us not to say Robert was MURDERED. Well, if ya want to sue me go for it. I am happy to get a group of survivors together, decent staff, some forensic experts, etc who can back me up on this.
robert was worked to death. He was MURDERED
I SAY IT
Wanna sue me? I have enough $ to defend myself quite well, and I welcome the opprotunity to  draw attention to the MURDER of robert reyes and thusly "force" the authorities to put you, Bundies and staff - the MURDERERS- in prison for the rest of your life.

just supeona my IP address, hunt me down (it will cost alot of $ for you do that  :D )
and sue
have fun in prison! MURDERERS OF ROBERT REYES
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« Reply #159 on: February 18, 2007, 10:39:55 AM »
umm I just happened to read a statement advising us not to say Robert was MURDERED. Well, if ya want to sue me go for it. I am happy to get a group of survivors together, decent staff, some forensic experts, etc who can back me up on this.
robert was worked to death. He was MURDERED
I SAY IT
Wanna sue me? I have enough $ to defend myself quite well, and I welcome the opprotunity to  draw attention to the MURDER of robert reyes and thusly "force" the authorities to put you, Bundies and staff - the MURDERERS- in prison for the rest of your life.

just supeona my IP address, hunt me down (it will cost alot of $ for you do that  :D )
and sue
have fun in prison! MURDERERS OF ROBERT REYES
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« Reply #160 on: August 25, 2010, 01:14:05 PM »
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Its a horrorable thing that one person has died at this school, but the missing piece is how many have been saved!!!  If the school did not exist how many would be dead -- none?  5 ???  10 ?? Try to determine the cause of that childs death and try to change it.  Education, training, policy change overseeing, staffing, new model etc.  Shutting down the entire Auto industry isnt a solution to saving people from dieing in auto accidents, They make Ambulances too.
yeah... i'm gonna have to qft that one.

Promoting Thayer?!?!?!?  Wow.
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« Reply #161 on: August 25, 2010, 02:23:23 PM »
Quote from: "Guest"
umm I just happened to read a statement advising us not to say Robert was MURDERED. Well, if ya want to sue me go for it. I am happy to get a group of survivors together, decent staff, some forensic experts, etc who can back me up on this.
robert was worked to death. He was MURDERED
I SAY IT
Wanna sue me? I have enough $ to defend myself quite well, and I welcome the opprotunity to  draw attention to the MURDER of robert reyes and thusly "force" the authorities to put you, Bundies and staff - the MURDERERS- in prison for the rest of your life.

just supeona my IP address, hunt me down (it will cost alot of $ for you do that  :D )
and sue
have fun in prison! MURDERERS OF ROBERT REYES
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« Reply #162 on: August 25, 2010, 11:00:21 PM »
Does anybody have a copy of the autopsy report? ISAC had one up, but of course it is down now along with the site. The records from the state agency that investigated would also be good to have.

Digging through my junk I found this:

Last fall, teen died at facility
Prosecutor: Boot camp won’t face charges
But doubts persist about Thayer
By STEVE ROCK
The Kansas City Star

KIDDER, Mo. — Eleven months after the death of a 15-year-old resident of a home for troubled teens, the local prosecutor said he doesn’t expect to file criminal charges. Yet questions persist about the death of Roberto Reyes and previous unrelated allegations of child abuse at Thayer Learning Center.

Caldwell County Prosecutor Jason Kanoy said he’s not convinced any criminal abuse or neglect was involved in the death of Roberto, a Californian who had been at the northwest Missouri military-type boarding school for less than two weeks. His death was attributed to a spider bite.

“The question boils down to: ‘Did somebody commit a crime to cause his death?’ … As of right now, I just haven’t seen that sticking out like a sore thumb,” said Kanoy, who admits his investigation was hampered by lack of access to the private facility.

In a response to a wrongful death lawsuit filed by Roberto’s parents, Thayer’s owners, John and Willa Bundy, denied wrongdoing. In a statement submitted to The Kansas City Star shortly after Roberto’s death, Thayer officials said general allegations of abuse were “ludicrous and false.” The Bundys, who opened Thayer in mid-2002, have not responded to several recent interview requests. But an attorney for Thayer, Rhonda Smiley, said in a Sept. 22 letter faxed to The Star that “Thayer chooses to try the facts of this lawsuit in the appropriate forum, not in the newspaper.” She called the allegations unsubstantiated.

Despite Kanoy’s reluctance to file charges, he said it “sounds like there’s (civil) negligence all over the place” in Roberto’s case.

A five-month investigation by The Star found that:

? According to a state investigative report, a former Thayer student said that Roberto had been “almost lifeless” for several days before his death. Two former students told The Star that Roberto had barely moved when they saw him in the days before he died. And a business owner who installed surveillance equipment at Thayer told The Star that Roberto had been unable to climb a short staircase the day before he died.

? A state investigative team said “it appears that those responsible for the safety and well-being of Roberto Reyes failed to recognize his medical distress and to provide access to appropriate medical evaluation and/or treatment.” A panel of county and state officials previously had determined that earlier medical treatment “may have prevented this fatality.”

? Two local experts in spider-bite care told The Star that, in a combined 51 years of experience, they had never seen a spider bite induce the condition that killed Roberto.

? Police reports reviewed by The Star show that since April 2003 at least seven persons had reported more than a dozen allegations of child abuse at Thayer to the Caldwell County sheriff’s office.

? Kanoy has asked the attorney general’s office to assist in a criminal investigation of the alleged abuse of more than a dozen students.

After looking at police reports and portions of the state investigative report on Roberto’s death, Johnson County District Attorney Paul Morrison said, “If half of what some of these people say is true, then there are some serious problems there that I think would probably allow for some criminal justice system intervention.”

Kanoy said he hasn’t filed charges against anybody at Thayer because some allegations don’t rise to abuse, some can’t be proved and others simply aren’t credible. And investigations at Thayer are difficult, he said, because under state law, private facilities that provide care “in conjunction with an educational program” are exempt from state licensing and regulation.

“We can’t get in the front door,” Kanoy said.

Since Roberto’s death, The Star has spoken with 14 former Thayer employees, 18 former students and the parents of 10 other former students.
Many of those students have troubled pasts, but their descriptions of life at Thayer generally were consistent.

Many of those students, as well as many parents and former employees contacted, noted a reluctance by Thayer officials to seek medical attention for sick or injured children. Many characterized the rigorous exercise regimen as capricious at best, sadistic at worst. Some described painful punitive measures.
Anjani Vyas, 18, of Pennsylvania, who attended Thayer from December 2003 until November 2004, said she had suffered through a stomach virus without getting medical care and had been forced to stand with her legs bent and her back against a wall for long periods. “My right knee still hurts to this day,” Vyas said. “I hated being there.”

Roberto’s death

A state social services investigative team spent more than four months examining Roberto’s death, then sent its findings to Kanoy.

The team’s report criticized the lack of medical treatment in Roberto’s case and included written testimony from a 16-year-old former student who currently lives in Florida. According to the report, he told a state investigator that Roberto sometimes couldn’t stand on his own to clean up after he had defecated on himself, that Thayer officials had dragged Roberto up steps and that he had seen dark bruising all over Roberto’s upper body before he died.

That student wrote that Roberto had been so lifeless he could not get off the floor to lie on a nearby cot. He also wrote that he had told a Thayer employee that the school “would be in a lot of trouble if a cop saw this.”

“I will be happy to speak to you anytime about more details,” the student wrote.

The student’s mother, Carol Rickless, asked that her son’s name not be used. She said she had contacted the state investigator, but her family has not been questioned since then by law enforcement or state officials.

In their wrongful-death lawsuit, filed in Buchanan County Circuit Court, Victor and Gracia Reyes alleged that Roberto’s failing health “would have been present for a significant period of time prior to his death” and that he would have survived had he received competent, timely medical care.

In court records, Thayer officials denied those and other allegations. The case is scheduled to go to trial in June.

The autopsy report identifies “complications of rhabdomyolysis” as the cause of death. It says the rhabdomyolysis, a breakdown of muscle fibers, probably was due to a spider or insect bite.

But Steven Simpson, a pulmonary and critical care physician at University of Kansas Hospital in Kansas City, Kan., and an expert in spider-bite care, said the mortality rate for spider bites is “exceedingly rare.” He said that if a bite was life-threatening, the person likely would be unusually sick within 24 hours.

Simpson also said that, in 16 years of practice, he had never heard of a spider bite inducing rhabdomyolysis. From his experience, the primary cause of rhabdomyolysis is lying motionless or even comatose for a lengthy period.

Another less-common cause of rhabdomyolysis is dehydration and over-exertion triggered by excessive physical activity, he said.

Gary Wasserman, a physician and chief of medical toxicology at Children’s Mercy Hospital, has written chapters on brown recluse spider bites for three toxicology textbooks. He wouldn’t discuss Roberto’s case specifically, but speaking in general terms, said he had dealt with hundreds of spider-bite cases in 35 years and couldn’t recall a single one in which a bite had triggered rhabdomyolysis.

“It’s not impossible,” Wasserman said. “But it would be very unusual.”

Miguel Laboy, the physician who performed the autopsy for the Jackson County medical examiner’s office, said the diagnosis was based on toxicology tests and other factors. He said he identified “an area of ulceration on the skin with infection, with inflammation” that was the likely location of the spider bite.

Police and autopsy reports also referred to several abrasions and bruises on Roberto’s body.

The state’s investigative report quoted witnesses who said Roberto had struggled to keep up with the rigorous exercise regimen during his short stay at Thayer. Some witnesses said he had complained of sore muscles or needed assistance walking and at times used other people as “a crutch.” It also said that, according to one witness, Roberto was forced to carry around a 20-pound bag of sand shortly after he had gotten to Thayer.

Two former students told The Star that Roberto looked normal shortly after his arrival. His parents sent him to Thayer after he had struggled with grades and run away from home.

Erik Ayers of South Carolina said Roberto had “looked horrible” as long as five days before he died. “You could tell something was wrong,” said Erik, 15. “He really needed help.”

James Young, 17, of Oregon, said he had seen Roberto “probably three times” over two or three days. “He was just lying there, like sleeping, all day,” James said.

Bill Sanders, who operates Security Protection Systems and Sanders Private Investigations in Paola, Kan., said he was hired by Willa Bundy in October to install surveillance equipment at Thayer. Sanders said he was paid more than $100,000, and that he and Willa Bundy have a dispute about an outstanding balance of about $3,000.

Sanders remembered seeing Roberto after he had collapsed at the bottom of some stairs. As school officials ordered him to get up, Sanders said, “Roberto was literally trying to climb up the stairs on his arms. He just couldn’t do it.”

Roberto was helped to the top of the stairs, Sanders said, collapsed again, then was walked to the dining hall by fellow students and school officials.

The next day, Sanders said he saw Roberto lying on the floor as three or four school officials berated him shortly before lunch. Roberto was eventually picked up and placed on a cot in a small room, Sanders said. Sanders walked into the room at least twice to work, he said, and “never saw him move once.”

Police reports said that on Nov. 3, Thayer officials found Roberto unresponsive and began performing CPR. They called 911 at 3:32 p.m., and Roberto was pronounced dead on arrival at Cameron Regional Medical Center about an hour later.

In interview excerpts in the state’s investigative report, the Bundys and some Thayer employees said they didn’t know or didn’t think Reyes had been sick before he died. One witness said Roberto appeared lazy, and another said he had had a bad attitude.

Records questions

The investigative report also said that interviews and evidence “suggest significant contradictions and possible deliberate falsification of written records” by Thayer officials. In court records, Thayer officials denied altering any written records, which were kept by Thayer staff about various students and their activities.

Kanoy said there were some “alarming” elements in the state report.

“I think we have a decent idea of how this child spent the last five or six days of his life. … I think he was in a world of hurt,” Kanoy said. “I think he was in an unfamiliar place with unfamiliar people who may not have been treating him as nicely as he would like. I think he may have been in pain. I certainly think he was uncomfortable.

“… Do I think there’s all kinds of fodder for a lawsuit? You bet.”Both Morrison and Kent Gipson, a criminal defense attorney and adjunct professor at the University of Missouri-Kansas City School of Law, were alarmed at reports that Roberto hadn’t received prompt medical attention. “That’s particularly troubling,” Morrison said.

Gipson said, “My impression is: It looks like there is certainly enough there that a prosecutor could file charges if he wanted to.” But he added that prosecutors “have almost unfettered discretion. Obviously, there are some disputed things. … It would be hard for me to categorically or unequivocally criticize a guy for not filing charges based on what I know.”

For former Thayer employee Kim Gertz, who has some fond memories of Thayer, it wasn’t just Roberto’s death that he found so unsettling. According to the state report, he didn’t witness any physical abuse of students but wrote in a statement: “What strikes me most about my experience at Thayer is that after Roberto’s death, no one seemed particularly concerned, and policy was not changed. …

“I am convinced that I was terminated because of my raising the issue of (inadequate) medical care.”

Other allegations

Allegations of abuse and medical neglect began trickling out of Thayer long before Roberto died, according to police reports.

They came from students like Brittany Herrmann, who wrote in a complaint to the sheriff’s office in April 2003: “I have been dragged outside on the ground by my wrists after being pushed down by a sergeant. I have scrapes and bruises all over me, particularly on my arms and legs. … I am very scared in writing this, for fear of further abuse. … There’s much more going on with other kids.”

Herrmann, now 18 and living in Texas, said recently by phone, “It totally blows my mind that a place like that can continue to run despite the complaints that have been filed.”

Theodore Rights, a Hamilton, Mo., doctor who saw Herrmann for a possible urinary tract infection, wrote in a statement to sheriff’s deputies: “(Herrmann’s) hysterical cries were that she was afraid of what they would do to her if she went back. She wanted protection.” Rights told The Star he had seen no signs of physical abuse on Herrmann but he wrote to sheriff’s deputies, “I have witnessed evidence of neglected medical problems in two other cases.”

In January 2005, former Thayer student Elizabeth Ramirez, 15, of California faxed to the sheriff’s department several allegations, including:

? A student was “taken down” and said, “I can’t breathe,” as her face turned red and purple.

? A girl’s gums began to bleed because she was forced to brush her teeth for four hours.

? Students were denied medical attention for things such as infections.

She also sent the allegations to a state investigator.

Reached recently by phone, Ramirez said, “(Thayer) didn’t help me at all. I think it’s evil.”

Some allegations have come from employees.

According to the state report, former Thayer Director Gail Ledesma said she once got into trouble with John Bundy for having a student with a swollen and infected knee taken to a doctor. Another time, she was denied permission by John Bundy to take three girls to the doctor because, Bundy told her, the students would run away if they got the chance.

Kris Kessinger and two other Thayer employees went to the sheriff’s office in May 2004 and outlined an array of allegations involving more than a dozen students:

? A drill sergeant was “helping” a student do push-ups, causing the student’s head to bounce off the concrete.

? A student was tied up and dragged around a sand track behind an all-terrain vehicle.

? Students weren’t allowed to use the rest room and, consequently, suffered bladder infections, kidney infections and constipation.

Two of the three women said they were fired almost immediately, and they thought it was because they had contacted law enforcement. They said the third woman also was fired, but she could not be reached for comment.

Sheriff’s Deputy Donald Fuller said he found the women’s reports credible.

Fuller asked Kanoy to subpoena medical records that might substantiate the allegations. In a report he submitted to Kanoy, later included in the Reyes lawsuit, Fuller wrote, “I have a reasonable belief … the crime of abuse of a child has been committed at Thayer Learning Center.”

Kanoy said he subpoenaed records of Thayer students from Renee Claycamp, a Hamilton, Mo., physician. It’s in connection with those allegations that Kanoy, 31, the sole prosecutor in his office, asked for assistance from the state attorney general.

“We’ll work with the prosecutor in determining whether there’s sufficient evidence to file charges,” said Scott Holste, a spokesman for Attorney General Jay Nixon. “But that decision will rest with Mr. Kanoy, ultimately.”

Claycamp’s office referred calls to attorney Ed Proctor in Liberty. Proctor, who previously represented Thayer, said Claycamp was cooperating with the investigation.

Kanoy said his office takes abuse allegations at Thayer seriously. But some allegations don’t name the victims or are second- or third-hand reports. He’s not sure others constitute criminal behavior. One report, for example, says a girl was forced to sit in a plastic tub of urine for at least 2˝ hours.

“That’s disturbing,” Kanoy said.

But is it child abuse?

“I don’t know,” he said.

There are also reports about kids being pushed and dragged.

“When you’re trying to motivate somebody who’s very obstinate, very anti-establishment, is pushing them and dragging them abuse?” Kanoy asked. “Personally, I don’t think so.”

Kessinger though is haunted by the memories of what she saw at Thayer. Now a full-time nursing student, she worked at Thayer from November 2003 until May 2004.

“I knew in my heart I’d be having this conversation one day about a child dying,” Kessinger said.

Lax regulation

Some provisions in Missouri law allow certain individuals to safeguard children if abuse is suspected. But other laws are so lax that it’s difficult for state agencies to afford protection to children in private facilities such as Thayer.

For example, law enforcement officials and physicians who have reasonable cause to suspect that a child is suffering from illness or injury or is in danger of personal harm may request that a juvenile officer take a child into protective custody. A law enforcement official or a physician also can take temporary protective custody of a child but only if there is reasonable cause to believe the child “is in imminent danger of suffering serious physical harm or a threat to life as a result of abuse or neglect.”

The Department of Social Services, however, cannot make unannounced visits to private facilities or remove children without a court order. And the Department of Elementary and Secondary Education has no oversight over private schools.

State social-service workers don’t have the authority to speak to students on demand, and they can’t shut down an unlicensed facility.

Officials with the Division of Children’s Services investigate allegations of child abuse and neglect with law-enforcement agencies and officers of the juvenile court. But even sheriff’s deputies have been turned away at Thayer, Caldwell County Sheriff Kirby Brelsford said.

Kanoy said, “There has to be a search warrant to get in the front door, or consent.” He’s been inside Thayer on one occasion, he said, but “consent has never been given” pursuant to any investigations. He said state officials “kind of get stonewalled” at Thayer, and that he’s never had sufficient evidence to pursue a search warrant.

In a statement submitted to The Star in December 2004, Thayer officials said, “No state agency or law enforcement agency has substantiated any improper activity at Thayer. These agencies have scrutinized Thayer frequently over the past 2˝ years and found any and all allegations unsubstantiated or unfounded.”

Brelsford said that, most of the time, Thayer officials eventually let officers see the students in question. But it’s often several hours later, and sometimes he’s been told that the students are no longer at Thayer.

He’d like to see legislation enacted that would force schools such as Thayer to be licensed and regulated by the state.

“I’d love to be able to go to that door and walk in whenever I need to,” Brelsford said.

But Missouri is hardly alone with its lax licensing requirements.

U.S. Rep. George Miller, a California Democrat, is so concerned about the troubled-teen industry nationwide that he has introduced legislation that would provide more monitoring of facilities such as Thayer. The End Institutional Abuse Against Children Act would, among other things, provide $50 million to states to support the licensing of child residential treatment programs. A spokesman in his office estimated that there were hundreds of unlicensed facilities throughout the United States and that only about a dozen states — Florida, Michigan and Pennsylvania, among them — have any type of licensing requirements.

The Washington, D.C.-based Child Welfare League of America submitted a letter to Congress in August urging the Government Accountability Office to conduct a nationwide investigation. It urged Congress “to take action to ensure the safety of the children” and said “allegations of neglect and abuse at many of these programs include … the employment of vigorous physical means of restraint or individual seclusion or isolation.”

The letter also said, “Since there is little public oversight of these residential programs and camps for troubled children and youth, we do not yet know the full scope of the problem.”

The Child Fatality Review Panel, composed of county and state officials and charged with looking into all child deaths in the state, addressed the lack of state oversight in its final report on Roberto’s death: “The panel feels appropriate legislation dealing with access to the facility by juvenile authorities, social services and law enforcement should be enacted to help remedy the lack of cooperation.”

State Sen. Pat Dougherty, a St. Louis Democrat who has proposed legislation in the past that would regulate schools such as Thayer, said he doesn’t expect Roberto’s death to be a catalyst for legislative change “unless there’s a lot of public outcry.”

“Missouri legislators should step up to the plate and engage this and find a solution,” Dougherty said. “But it’s so easy to push it back and to ignore it, because people jump up and cry, ‘Here’s big government again.’”

Sen. Matt Bartle, a Lee’s Summit Republican, said state intervention wasn’t necessarily a cure-all. “A lot of times, I think, state licensing gives the appearance of oversight, and the reality is: There’s very little,” he said.

Sue Warner of Connecticut, whose son attended Thayer for four months in 2003, said Missourians needed to wake up. She submitted a lengthy letter to the Missouri attorney general’s office two years ago, outlining various complaints:

? Her son hadn’t received medical care for his injuries.

? She hadn’t been advised that Thayer and Parent Help, the referral service that recommended Thayer, were both owned by the Bundys.

? The academics of the program were “inaccurately and inconsistently communicated.”

Nothing ever came of her complaints, she said.

“I’m far away, obviously, but it’s become obvious to me that people (in Missouri) almost have their hands over their ears and their eyes and don’t want to know,” Warner said. “I think that’s a travesty.”


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The Star’s Scott Canon contributed to this report. 






Listed below is the contact information for the Missouri Prosecuting Office. 
Advocates and Activists should also write Missouri government officials urging them
to  stop passing the buck on the care and treatment of youth in PRIVATE (meaning parent-funded) residential treatment facilities, schools, camps and programs.

Missouri Office of Prosecution Services

The Missouri Office of Prosecution Services is a state governmental entity established to assist Missouri's prosecuting attorneys. MOPS is located in the Attorney General's Office in Jefferson City. The office provides technical assistance, training and continuing legal education for prosecutors.

Elizabeth L. Ziegler is the executive director.

Missouri Office of Prosecution Services
P.O. Box 899
Jefferson City, MO 65102
573-751-0619
573-751-1171 FAX

E-mail Elizabeth Ziegler

CALDWELL COUNTY PROSECUTOR
Jason Kanoy
P.O. Box 8
Kingston, MO 64650
816-586-2511
816-586-3084 FAX

MISSOURI OFFICAL STATE GOVERMENT OFFICES WEBSITE
Email State Attorney General, Congress and House Reps, etc.
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