Clownin' around.

[ajax13]

Some day maybe we'll find out why Social Worker Sandi Levy Barbero spent four days at Kids and blew the whistle, whereas the Wiz worked there for a year and a half, and then attempted to open his own Kids in Calgary. 

[Anonymous]

So Cougar-Sean is right -- read the Elberg article and respond to that, but realise that you have to respond to the evidence that both Elberg and Ajax 13 are relying on.  That isn't parroting.  What evidence to the contrary do you have? it would seem, none.

Given that I was never at Kids, and that is the primary source for Mr. Elberg's  article, I am not sure what you would like me to respond to, but I will humor you. To be clear, in no way do I support Kids. That said, Mr. Elberg's article seems to say, Kids was bad, people that were at Kids now are at AARC, therefore AARC is bad too. That is the same as saying that the children of bad parents are bad, not because of their actions, but simply because they had bad parents. Where things came from is not a clear indicator of what they are like. Democracy, for example came out of an older and more repressive system of government. It is not fair to say that Democracy is and must be as repressive and it predecessor solely because its predecessor was that way.

The primary source(s) for Mr. Elberg's information on Kids is(are) the people he represented, those who gave evidence at trial as well as Kids' own propaganda.  His primary sources for information on AARC includes the AARC propaganda, freely available on the web, this site and reports from some who have actually been in AARC.  
Elberg was never in kids so really all of his evidence is hearsay in any event.  That does not mean it's not credible.  It means that its reliability has to be assessed.  As far as Kids is concerned, Elberg is reliable.  He also  that it was with some reluctance that he got involved in the AARC debate, so he approached the evidence about AARC with some skepticism.
His conclusion is that there are parallels that should be cause for concern.
I have observed the antics of Dean Vause in the Recovering Crystal film.   I can assure you that will come back to haunt him.  I have also spoken to a number of former inmates and parents of inmates.  I have also observed the antics, first hand of people like Ms. Luciano.  I have also spoken to Mr. Elberg.  I have first hand information about the lies perpetrated by Dean Vause and shall be following up in due course.  I have all the time in the world.

I can tell you, Sapere, that although you try to portray yourself as a  "disinterested observer"  you most certainly are not.  While Ajax13 might vent his frustration at the insanity of your assertions from time to time,  I can assure you his primary sources are both credible and reliable.    

Your "democracy" analogy is seriously flawed.

Does anyone know how I can get a copy of this?  Is there a link to it somewhere online?

[ajax13]

Check out Fanlight Productions. In their promotional blurb they expand on the lie that the Wiz is a mental health professional, rather than a phys ed teacher, referring to him as a psychiatrist.  King Con the Cult Leader.

[Anonymous]

Check out Fanlight Productions. In their promotional blurb they expand on the lie that the Wiz is a mental health professional, rather than a phys ed teacher, referring to him as a psychiatrist.  King Con the Cult Leader.

I already checked out their website, and I found a blurb about it there, but no link or option to purchase or anything.  Any other suggestions?  I find that video is the best way to attempt at explaining this shit to other people, even if they are "pro-program" films.  It still shows the mentality and set up on some level, and it is someone else saying what I have been saying, validating it to a degree.  It makes me feel less crazy when I try to explain it, basically.

[ajax13]

You didn't look very hard.  $60 to rent it, $199 to buy on VHS.
http://www.fanlight.com/catalog/films/378_rk.php

You can no longer watch this film via the CBC's online content.  It was shown on the Documentary channel this past fall.  The film does show the Wiz employing some fairly basic control techniques.  Motivating has been replaced with sitting with one's hand raised, waiting for the Wiz to choose who gets to speak.  After a some humiliation in front of the group, the clients then stand until the rap is over.  The interrogator, in this case the Wiz, has total control over the subjects.  Every client must speak in order to end the rap, so the Wiz has them all yearning, in order to end the ordeal, to humilliate themselves once they are finally chosen to speak.  After the humilliation period, the inmates must then stand until the rap is over.  It's the standard mind-fuck used by the Reds, and then by the Synanon-derived TC cults.

[Anonymous]

During treatment, the teens are not permitted to live at home or to communicate with their families until all members have been involved in the recovery process. Instead, they are accommodated by the families of other students who have completed the program.

Residential not outpatient/day program

and Vause is no longer referred to as a psychologist in the synopsis

 :nods:

[ajax13]

He was referred to as a psychiatrist, not a psychologist in the original Fanlight synopsis.  AARC has pulled the old Alberta Report articles, in which the Wiz was called a psychologist, from their website in the last couple of months.  Apparently, after ten years all the mileage from that lie had been exhausted.  Since the Wiz is not legally entitled to refer to himself as a psychologist in print, AARC used that deceptive method to convey to anyone reading their website the notion that the Wiz is a mental health professional, rather than a phys ed teacher turned guidance counselor turned cult leader.