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Who remembers what KHK taught about the DISEASE CONCEPT?
« on: December 18, 2007, 11:12:34 PM »
Does anyone remember the things that "the program" taught about the good ole DISEASE CONCEPT?
any input would be great, thanks,
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hmmm...
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2007, 01:12:02 AM »
I guess noone remembers this part of the brainwashing?
Richard? Tony?
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Re: hmmm...
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2007, 01:36:27 AM »
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I guess noone remembers this part of the brainwashing?
Richard? Tony?
-DP


Ok, I can start it off then and I  am almost positive that it was not much different from straight inc. as well.

Let's see here now... the disease concept(never fully proven BTW, and well disputed)., It had to do with the program people mentioning Dopamine which is a natural chemical that occurs in the human brain, and had to do with neurotransmitters in the brain as well. Well, the program concluded that ANYTHING that we did that was deemed (by them) as DRUGGIE behavior could be attributed to the "Disease concept", meaning that alcholism & drug addiction as well as behavioral situations that normal or even emotionally troubled teens encounter as teenagers could be caused by the said individual needing/wanting to "up" the dopamine amount in one's brain. The program in fact attributed EVERYTHING that anyone did or said that was against program protocal or behavioral guidelines as a result of this alleged "Disease" that we all supposedly had. This is where the term "Dry Druggie"/"Dry  Drunk has come from. It is such a conveniant term to use because then it becomes a blanket term and/or label for everything and anything that is NON-Program oriented, and so therefore within the program it can and will be used on anybody, to justify a set-back or confronting session, etc.... among the "GROUP".
Example: Staff leading a rap session:


STAFF: (stating rap topic) Who in here has been having problems with Druggie behavior? Relate!

Group starts flapping their arms wildly to get called on.
Staff scans the room , looking for a suitable motivated child to blow away today.

STAFF: Janie?

Janie stands up in group. Newcomers are being asserted with fingers pointing in their faces by oldcomers to pay attention to the person talking.

JANIE:(nervous and out of breath)
I can realte because I am constantly having to fight my druggie thoughts. I am afraid that my brain will not let me stay sober, and that I may die if I don't.

Staff scans the room again for someone to relate with Janie.

STAFF: Peter?

Peter stands up in group.

PETER: (loudly, and angry)Janie, I have noticed you off in your head lately when you particpate in group. I don't think ye are being honest with yourself or the group about your druggie thinking. Quit being full of shit!

Peter sits down abruptly.

GROUP: Love ye, Peter.

STAFF:
 Janie you are just a dry druggie right now! You better start working the program or your going to end up dead or insane or in some jail somewhere. Do you want that for yourself Janie?

Janie starts crying.

JANIE: No, I don't want that.

STAFF: You see, Janie we have this disease called alcholism and drug addiction that doesn't let us function like normal people. It is in our brains. Even though, we have quit using them our brains still want them, so we go out for feel goods. I have heard through chain of command that ye have been rocking out at home in front of newcomers. This is typical dry druggie behavior. You are heading down the path to starting to use again Janie.

JANIE:( crying harder) Just for enjoying music?

STAFF: Yes for enjoying music before you are ready to and enjoying druggie music , going out for feel goods instead of delaying gratification. DAY ONE! HAVE A SEAT!

Janie sits down in group destroyed.


GROUP: Love ye, Janie.



I think this is a good start.

love to all,
-DP
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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2007, 01:44:53 AM »
The "dry drugggie/drunk"  idea is bs.  There is a brain change chemically induced by drink or drugs, but it's not quite as simple as your program puts it.

Any science of addiction is still in its infancy and any diagnosis like that is either a hoax or blind theory.
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Pleas elaborate
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2007, 01:47:07 AM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
The "dry drugggie/drunk"  idea is bs.  There is a brain change chemically induced by drink or drugs, but it's not quite as simple as your program puts it.

Any science of addiction is still in its infancy and any diagnosis like that is either a hoax or blind theory.



I don't know who you are but I would love to hear you elaborate on what ye just said please.

Thank you in advance.

-DP
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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2007, 01:11:32 PM »
Sure, DP, let's start with the complete transcription of an official/genuine/copy of an original- Circa mid-80's KHK Disease Concept paper, shall we?  :rofl: oh, and a * denotes an original author spelling error... Transcription courtesy of MG8.

                         "Disease Concept

Any illicit drug use by teenagers is unhealthful, illegal, and potentially very dangerous. But the kind of drug abuse about which we are most deeply concerned is that which leads to chemical dependence. Many teenagers have experimented with alcohol, marijuana, inhalants, and even other drugs. They have rejected them as an important part of their lives, and have pursued worthwhile academic, vocational and social goals. Others have seriously damaged or destroyed their lives and that of their families because of their drug use. It is these kids that tonight's rap is about.

This kind of drug abuse that leads to chemical dependence is a disease. It is not a moral defect. It is not caused by aversive life events, and we do not believe that it occurs because of what a parent has or has not done. Let us explore what we mean when we say disease.

Drug abuse is a disease, not a symptom of some other problem. It is primary. In the past, and unfortunately even in the present, some physicians and some mental health professionals have believed that if they treated the underlying problem of the adolescent, he or she would stop using drugs. This approach was a total failure. As long as an adolescent is using drugs, no treatment for other issues is effective or even possible. Most frequently, drug abuse is the cause and not the result of the other problems. In any event, it must be treated first. This is the treatment approach of Kids Helping Kids.

Secondly, drug abuse is chronic. That means that it can be treated but not cured. Like diabetes, it can be treated by pursuing  certain healthful way of living specifically designed for the disease. The disease is then arrested, not cured. If the healthful life style is abandoned, the symptoms will quickly return.

Next, drug abuse is progressive. For teenagers who are on the way to chemical dependence, increasing amounts of drugs will, indeed must, be used to achieve the same effect. This is called tolerance. Therefore, the kid uses more and more drugs, and often a greater variety of drugs, just to get the same feeling. The effects of increased drug use are predictable and orderly.

Finally, drug abuse is terminal. When drugs are used in greater amounts with increasing frequency, the result is death. The age range between 15 and 24 is the only age group in the United States for which the life expectancy has gone down. This is due to a high death rate from accidents, suicide, and homicide. These are often drug related. Adults who use large amounts of drugs for long periods of time generally die from the same causes as adolescents or from physical disorders such as liver disease, heart attacks, strokes and others.

An important term to understand is "chemical dependence." A person is chemically dependent if he or she continues to use drugs in increasing amounts and frequency in spite of the many negative consequences which drug use causes.

In the begining* of a kids druggie career, drug use is a matter of personal choice. The kid decided to try drugs, usually after being urged to do so by a peer who offered the drugs. The kid may have refused several times, but finally gave in. No one made him. Certainly not the parent. An important part of treatment is to hold the kid responsible for the choices he or she made.

Chemical dependence is a disease of the body, the thinking process, and the feelings. Drugs interfere with the body's ability to use the food that is eaten. They also poison the body organs including the brain. Chemically dependent people often do not eat a healthful diet or sleep regular hours. Because the brain is effected, they do not comprehend the connection between the bad things that happen to them and their drug use. The use of mood altering drugs severly* disturbs normal  feelings and emotions.

The progress of the disease can be clearly seen if we observe the feeling part of it. We see that the chemically dependent kid goes through four stages.

1. Learning the Mood Swing. In this stage the kid learns that drug use causes good feelings. Use is almost accidental. Friends have offered drugs and the kid has accepted the offer to use them. Use is inplanned and occasional. There are no behavioral changes.

2. Seeking the Mood Swing. Because of the rewarding nature of the good feelings (highs) that the kid gets from drugs, he begins to seek out drugs to experience the high again. He begins to get and use drugs on a planned basis. The increased use may begin the process of tolerance. Toward the end of this stage, the variety of drugs the kid uses increases. Pills, cocaine, crack, hash oil and others may be used. Behavioral changes begin to occur. New friends who never come to the house, different clothing, druggie slang, stealing from the family to support the drug habit, staying away all night without permission, breaking curfew, and becoming easily angry or even belligerent. Hobbies and favorite activities are abandoned and grades drop. The kid is leading two seperate lives. To his parents and other adults, he or she is denying drug use. Away from adult observation, he or she is developing a druggie life style. Drug use has changes from a choice to a compulsion. When he comes down from his high, he crashes. This causes pain. When he is not high, he has to face the destructive course his life is taking. In order to avoid this pain, he self medicates. In the mean time, he is not learning the coping skills which other kids learn.

Stage 3. Preoccupation with the Mood Swing. By this time drug use is almost daily, or at least as often as the kid can get drugs. Tolerance has increased. It takes a lot of drugs to have an effect. The kid often trys to cut down but finds that it is not possible. Overdoses, flashbacks, and blackouts occur. She lives openly as a druggie, even admitting it to her parents. The guilt and shame caused by the deterioration and immorality of her life are intense. Self-esteem decreases to the point of suicidal ideation or even actual attempts. The highs from drug use become lower and lower; the pain from the crash greater and greater.

Stage 4. Using to Feel Normal. At this stage, the kid uses drugs just to feel normal. If he is not on drugs he is in pain and unable to function. Pain is chronic. Suicide attempts are frequent. His life is centered around obtaining and using drugs. He does not function in any productive way; at school, work, or socially. He is burned out."
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« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2007, 11:44:14 PM »
how can drug abuse be the cause? What comes first? the chicken or the egg? Why does that give khk the right to abuse the kids that may or may not have used drugs? What makes them the self proclaimed treatment experts? Did this concept come from an anthropology major called Miller Newton?  :flame:
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« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2007, 01:54:13 PM »
100%BULLSHIT
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yep...I agree with you
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2007, 06:13:35 PM »
I assure you that as they state Drug  abuse is not the blame for everything. In fact if ye read about bipolar disorder and other psychosis that are similar often these people that are suffering from said disorder or something similar are self-medicating in an attempt to control their psychotic behavior. This is just one example that proves that drug abuse does not come first, at least in this case. The problem with "the program" is that they are using a COOKIE CUTTER answer for INDIVIDUALS.
Again, I am just using one example to illustrate my point. I know this about bipolar disorder in particular b/c I had to research it b/cI used to be married to it. There are many many ways and examples that shoot their theory down, though. I could be here all day listing the most of them. Maybe I will spend all day sometime, listing as many as I can. LOL!
-DP

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how can drug abuse be the cause? What comes first? the chicken or the egg? Why does that give khk the right to abuse the kids that may or may not have used drugs? What makes them the self proclaimed treatment experts? Did this concept come from an anthropology major called Miller Newton?  :flame:
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to the dingleberry
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2007, 06:27:53 PM »
Mr. dingleberry,
I loveyou,and thank you so much for posting this.
It is helping immensely, and more than you know.
how has your dingleberry been hanging anyway?..lol
-DP


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Sure, DP, let's start with the complete transcription of an official/genuine/copy of an original- Circa mid-80's KHK Disease Concept paper, shall we?  :rofl: oh, and a * denotes an original author spelling error... Transcription courtesy of MG8.

                         "Disease Concept

Any illicit drug use by teenagers is unhealthful, illegal, and potentially very dangerous. But the kind of drug abuse about which we are most deeply concerned is that which leads to chemical dependence. Many teenagers have experimented with alcohol, marijuana, inhalants, and even other drugs. They have rejected them as an important part of their lives, and have pursued worthwhile academic, vocational and social goals. Others have seriously damaged or destroyed their lives and that of their families because of their drug use. It is these kids that tonight's rap is about.

This kind of drug abuse that leads to chemical dependence is a disease. It is not a moral defect. It is not caused by aversive life events, and we do not believe that it occurs because of what a parent has or has not done. Let us explore what we mean when we say disease.

Drug abuse is a disease, not a symptom of some other problem. It is primary. In the past, and unfortunately even in the present, some physicians and some mental health professionals have believed that if they treated the underlying problem of the adolescent, he or she would stop using drugs. This approach was a total failure. As long as an adolescent is using drugs, no treatment for other issues is effective or even possible. Most frequently, drug abuse is the cause and not the result of the other problems. In any event, it must be treated first. This is the treatment approach of Kids Helping Kids.

Secondly, drug abuse is chronic. That means that it can be treated but not cured. Like diabetes, it can be treated by pursuing  certain healthful way of living specifically designed for the disease. The disease is then arrested, not cured. If the healthful life style is abandoned, the symptoms will quickly return.

Next, drug abuse is progressive. For teenagers who are on the way to chemical dependence, increasing amounts of drugs will, indeed must, be used to achieve the same effect. This is called tolerance. Therefore, the kid uses more and more drugs, and often a greater variety of drugs, just to get the same feeling. The effects of increased drug use are predictable and orderly.

Finally, drug abuse is terminal. When drugs are used in greater amounts with increasing frequency, the result is death. The age range between 15 and 24 is the only age group in the United States for which the life expectancy has gone down. This is due to a high death rate from accidents, suicide, and homicide. These are often drug related. Adults who use large amounts of drugs for long periods of time generally die from the same causes as adolescents or from physical disorders such as liver disease, heart attacks, strokes and others.

An important term to understand is "chemical dependence." A person is chemically dependent if he or she continues to use drugs in increasing amounts and frequency in spite of the many negative consequences which drug use causes.

In the begining* of a kids druggie career, drug use is a matter of personal choice. The kid decided to try drugs, usually after being urged to do so by a peer who offered the drugs. The kid may have refused several times, but finally gave in. No one made him. Certainly not the parent. An important part of treatment is to hold the kid responsible for the choices he or she made.

Chemical dependence is a disease of the body, the thinking process, and the feelings. Drugs interfere with the body's ability to use the food that is eaten. They also poison the body organs including the brain. Chemically dependent people often do not eat a healthful diet or sleep regular hours. Because the brain is effected, they do not comprehend the connection between the bad things that happen to them and their drug use. The use of mood altering drugs severly* disturbs normal  feelings and emotions.

The progress of the disease can be clearly seen if we observe the feeling part of it. We see that the chemically dependent kid goes through four stages.

1. Learning the Mood Swing. In this stage the kid learns that drug use causes good feelings. Use is almost accidental. Friends have offered drugs and the kid has accepted the offer to use them. Use is inplanned and occasional. There are no behavioral changes.

2. Seeking the Mood Swing. Because of the rewarding nature of the good feelings (highs) that the kid gets from drugs, he begins to seek out drugs to experience the high again. He begins to get and use drugs on a planned basis. The increased use may begin the process of tolerance. Toward the end of this stage, the variety of drugs the kid uses increases. Pills, cocaine, crack, hash oil and others may be used. Behavioral changes begin to occur. New friends who never come to the house, different clothing, druggie slang, stealing from the family to support the drug habit, staying away all night without permission, breaking curfew, and becoming easily angry or even belligerent. Hobbies and favorite activities are abandoned and grades drop. The kid is leading two seperate lives. To his parents and other adults, he or she is denying drug use. Away from adult observation, he or she is developing a druggie life style. Drug use has changes from a choice to a compulsion. When he comes down from his high, he crashes. This causes pain. When he is not high, he has to face the destructive course his life is taking. In order to avoid this pain, he self medicates. In the mean time, he is not learning the coping skills which other kids learn.

Stage 3. Preoccupation with the Mood Swing. By this time drug use is almost daily, or at least as often as the kid can get drugs. Tolerance has increased. It takes a lot of drugs to have an effect. The kid often trys to cut down but finds that it is not possible. Overdoses, flashbacks, and blackouts occur. She lives openly as a druggie, even admitting it to her parents. The guilt and shame caused by the deterioration and immorality of her life are intense. Self-esteem decreases to the point of suicidal ideation or even actual attempts. The highs from drug use become lower and lower; the pain from the crash greater and greater.

Stage 4. Using to Feel Normal. At this stage, the kid uses drugs just to feel normal. If he is not on drugs he is in pain and unable to function. Pain is chronic. Suicide attempts are frequent. His life is centered around obtaining and using drugs. He does not function in any productive way; at school, work, or socially. He is burned out."
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« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2007, 09:56:45 PM »
Well DP, I'm glad you asked. It gets rather lonely sometimes down here as Froddy's favorite Dingleberry. :rofl:  I don't hang, sorry, I'm a little more unique than the rest of Froddy's dingledangleberries. I actually slide around and sometimes right when it seems like I can get some fresh air, this big blast of raunchy and fetid air comes whooshing by. Not a pretty sight or smell,  :rofl: Since I slide around alot, I get smooshed and reshaped over and over... Jeez, will Froddy ever lose all that ass hair? HAHAHAHA :rofl:
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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2007, 12:00:27 AM »
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2008, 09:59:04 PM »
That really was convienent for them, yes? Step out of programmie line, and it's because of this disease concept. What I'm having trouble with is the arm flapping...what the hell? That brings up the most bizarre mental images. Can someone help me with this?
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Re: Who remembers what KHK taught about the DISEASE CONCEPT?
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2008, 11:49:39 PM »
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That really was convenient for them, yes? Step out of programmie line, and it's because of this disease concept. What I'm having trouble with is the arm flapping...what the hell? That brings up the most bizarre mental images. Can someone help me with this?

I most certainly can help you to attempt to understand at least what the arm flapping was/is but I cannot guarantee that I can fully explain the programs complete rationale for it. Here goes: the arm flapping  (the program calls it getting motivated). I first will explain the physical mechanics of it: It is an up and down forward and backwards combination of motion created by ones arms, required to be done with much vigor. At times it required getting the feet involved for leverage as well as showing increased "motivation".

Mental mechanics of "motivation": Staff required phasers(clients of the program) to engage in "motivation" as part of an earning process(ie; earning the right to speak in group). It was required in every group rap (group therapy session) excluding certain rap sessions at any given staff members discretion. It was/is a tool used to control "the group" and for "the group" to control itself.

Physical affects of "motivation": Arthritis of the elbows, knees, wrists. Bruises from banging into your neighbor in the next chair while participating in "motivation". Permanent neck injuries from participant caused by participant(while "motivating") using neck for leverage to "motivate" harder and more vigorously as pressured to do so by staff.
Permanent back injuries caused by the same thing as the neck injuries. These injuries are caused by the repetition of this bizarre ritual over a span of a 12 to 18 month stay at the program.

Mental affects of "motivation": Wow, where do I begin? Okay, well one of the most important things that they preach at the program is to "stay motivated". One of the ways that ye are supposed to show Staff that ye are "staying motivated" is by flapping your arms as hard as ye can, and by putting your whole body into it.  If you do not follow their(the program's) dogma about "motivating" you do not move forward in the program, and therefore are faced with the threat of never graduating the program, and ending up dead, insane or in jail as they preach to you. Also, if ye are an infidel on this matter of "motivating" you are also subject to public humiliation in front of the whole group, as well as verbal assaults and being treated in a negative fashion of some sort. This kind of treatment has very harsh mental affects on someone, especially an adolescent. These mental affects include but are not limited too the following: Depression, Intense fear, phobia, anxiety, helplessness etc.... When a person feels  cornered by a dogma and a ritual not of their choosing along with the threat of public humiliation it is a disaster  for one's own personal identity. It can and has caused personal breaks from reality and the self.

Babycakes, I hope that my explanation has helped you to at least attempt to understand what exactly this arm flapping (motivation) is. I am glad that it gave you bizarre mental images because that shows me that my writing that little scenario in the first few posts was a visual one, and that is what I was going for.
If ye don't mind I would appreciate if you would please explain what kind of bizarre imagery went through your mind as you read my scenario. Don't hold back, I would like to know exactly what you thought. I am always trying to improve on my written communication skills and it would be most beneficial to me if ye could so oblige.

Also if ye have any other questions ..let me know.

thanks!
sincerely,
-DP
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Re: Who remembers what KHK taught about the DISEASE CONCEPT?
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2008, 02:08:55 AM »
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Babycakes, I hope that my explanation has helped you to at least attempt to understand what exactly this arm flapping (motivation) is. I am glad that it gave you bizarre mental images because that shows me that my writing that little scenario in the first few posts was a visual one, and that is what I was going for.
If ye don't mind I would appreciate if you would please explain what kind of bizarre imagery went through your mind as you read my scenario. Don't hold back, I would like to know exactly what you thought. I am always trying to improve on my written communication skills and it would be most beneficial to me if ye could so oblige.

Also if ye have any other questions ..let me know.

thanks!
sincerely,
-DP

Honestly, DP, and I'm not trying to be funny because that just sounds more godawful than I can put into words, but the first thing I thought of was that stupid chicken dance. Someone else recently described it to me as the old school Arsenio Hal "whoop whoop" thing that he used to do, and then impose upon that image a bunch of kids flailing around wildly in their black plastic chairs (we had black plastic chairs in our raps) and you basically got the picture. I can't imagine who would come up with such an absurd thing, for motivation? Holy shit, I thought our raps were bad (RMA) but at least they didn't make us wave our arms and feet around like we were having seizures. And the resulting physical damage, I can only imagine. If I had been there I would have been seriously humiliated for quite a while until broken. Fuck that shit. And you stood up to indict eachother, and then the whole group said "we love you"? What a mind fuck.

Did you guys have workshops (propheets for us)?
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