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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2007, 08:14:54 AM »
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Wouldn't it be easier to simply say that the two were similar, instead of employing the cumbersome comparative?

Wouldn't it be easier if someone got a life?
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2007, 09:11:11 AM »
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Wouldn't it be easier to simply say that the two were similar, instead of employing the cumbersome comparative?
Wouldn't it be easier if someone got a life?

Wouldn't it be easier if you fucked off? Idiot.
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2007, 09:24:02 AM »
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Wouldn't it be easier to simply say that the two were similar, instead of employing the cumbersome comparative?
Wouldn't it be easier if someone got a life?
Wouldn't it be easier if you fucked off? Idiot.

 :rofl: .  . .  :rofl:  :rofl:
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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2007, 09:38:04 AM »
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Wouldn't it be easier to simply say that the two were similar, instead of employing the cumbersome comparative?
Wouldn't it be easier if someone got a life?

Suck a dick.
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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2007, 09:49:51 AM »
Can we please get back on topic and discuss what an infernally deluded numbskull spirit23 is?  :rofl:
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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2007, 05:28:39 PM »
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I would like to know how the Seed got placed in direct lineage with Phoenix house in that chart.  That isn't right!

Try Another Castle reported that an ex-boyfriend of his knew of a Phoenix House that was chock full of ex-synonanite douche bags working as staff members. Can't recollect where I saw this statement but I think it probably is buried on the Synonan forum somewhere.


the problem is the connection has not been made.  No one *knows*, at least no one is talking, about where Art Barker acquired the synanon techniques.  therefore, the entire seed/straight/kids/SAFE/et al lineage remains directly unconnected to the synanon and synanon spinoffs.

I say directly because it is obvious some of the synanon techniques showed up at the seed and then at the seed spinoffs (straight et al). So, indirectly..yes we know they were acquired. *HOW* is the missing link.

 The chart shows a direct connection which is speculative at best, misleading at worst.
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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2007, 05:54:09 PM »
So you're basically asking for evidence of a tangible paper trail right?
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« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2007, 06:03:49 PM »
It ultimately goes back to religious institutions and the omnipresent mouth-breathers that wake up every day to fuck with others and control them. They were here on day 1 and will ultimately drive the human race to extinction.


http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/29/ ... tahawy.php

Look no further than the case of a 19-year-old Saudi woman who was gang-raped last year.
Despite being abducted and raped by seven men, a court in Saudi Arabia sentenced her to 90 lashes because she was in a car with an unrelated man before she was abducted.

Saudi Arabia's ultra-orthodox interpretation of Islamic law preaches a strict segregation of the sexes.

The young woman had the temerity to appeal - and publicize her story in the media. And so, earlier this month, the court increased her punishment to 200 lashes and six months in jail. Her lawyer, a prominent human rights defender, was suspended and faces a disciplinary hearing.


....I got nothing against Islam (versus any other religion), or muslim folk as individuals but fuckinga those countries make south park look like an afternoon spent with the local librarian. And yes, I know the US is as corrupt and fucked up as the next guy.
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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2007, 07:05:58 PM »
double post
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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2007, 10:09:08 PM »
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So you're basically asking for evidence of a tangible paper trail right?




Paper trail, a witness that knows where Art Barker received his Synanon training, or any other credible evidence linking Art back to the synanon. Art Claimed in the press that he had 13 years working with juveniles and alcoholics..but no one will say where.  Given Artie's penchant for bullshit and self promotion no one even knows if it was true.  

The hard connection from the synanon to the Seed, and then to the Seed spinoffs like Straight, Inc. has NEVER been made.  We from the early days of this 'movement' have tried but the connection is still only circumstantial.

I personally have tried. I have researched, interviewed former staff, disquised myself as a former syanonite and infiltrated their web forum and posed the question and no one remembers Art.

So if Art got direct synanon training I believe it was in a Syanonon spinoff.  There are other theories that Ginger and I have kicked around. One of them that seems credible is this:

When Art started getting federal funding the person in charge of the federal grant, Robert Dupont, had a connection back to the synanon.  Also, around this time the Seed drastically changed into a lock down synanon style 'rehab'.  When Art started getting his funding pulled, the seed started morphing back into the less harsh but  always wacky personality cult.  The harsh days of the Seed lasted roughly from 1972 to 1977, with the real harsh times being 72,73,74...interestingly the exact years of the involvement with Dupont.  In later years under oath Dupont said that "it all started at the synanon". This is intriquing, No?

The theory basically developed by Ginger and I bantering around ideas is that Dupont, upon Granting Art Barker funds, also sent some Synonite staff member to help him 'develop' his program. Before this the Seed was located in a house, and people came and went as they pleased. Imagine that!  

 I was theres  in the early days (1973) after the voluntary seed during its heyday   and remember some older, harsher staffers that didn't seem to have come up thru the ranks like all the other staff members. I distincly remember one of them with a new york accent telling us about some other place that 'this all came from' and that we 'had no idea'. This was in a day rap during my first 14 days, but I can't remember the name of the place as this was Some 35 years ago.

So, that is the Theory. There are no hard facts.  That chart needs to be, at least, show a broken line down to the Seed along with a notation.  The Seed, to the best of my knowledge was not decended from Phoenix house.  Of course, it is possible that Art was connected to PH, but this is unsubstantiated and to date I have not even seen anybody claim it to be even rumoured to be true.

hope this helps or in some way is interesting to whomever had to drudge thru it.
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« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2007, 12:44:13 AM »
I see your point. Thank you for the synopsis.

Reading you last post made me rember that Penn Sanger graduated from RMA in 1988/9 when I was there. He was a DuPont child. He was a cool guy and I don't like half-hartedly dragging people through the mud but dupont irony is what it is.
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« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2007, 03:54:52 AM »
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I would like to know how the Seed got placed in direct lineage with Phoenix house in that chart.  That isn't right!

Try Another Castle reported that an ex-boyfriend of his knew of a Phoenix House that was chock full of ex-synonanite douche bags working as staff members. Can't recollect where I saw this statement but I think it probably is buried on the Synonan forum somewhere.

the problem is the connection has not been made.  No one *knows*, at least no one is talking, about where Art Barker acquired the synanon techniques.  therefore, the entire seed/straight/kids/SAFE/et al lineage remains directly unconnected to the synanon and synanon spinoffs.

I say directly because it is obvious some of the synanon techniques showed up at the seed and then at the seed spinoffs (straight et al). So, indirectly..yes we know they were acquired. *HOW* is the missing link.

 The chart shows a direct connection which is speculative at best, misleading at worst.



Nope, he never worked at phoenix, but he did interview when he moved up to new york. (not the brightest bulb) What he worked at was walden house in san francisco, another synanon started rehab. It even says it on George Farnsworth's site on the front page. www.synanon.org. Both places came right out of there, and he said that the staff there talked about synanon all the time.




I remember Penn. He supported on my wilderness challenge.
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« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2007, 09:32:46 AM »
you can't forget about all those motherfuckers at the beginning. tim brace working for the naval intell in annapolis he used to talk about all the time? why? why would he always talk about his wierd times before meeting mel wasserman and going to CEDU?
and then there were the spinoffs. cedu needs it's own fucked up family tree because once everyone saw how much money they could make, fuckit i'll start my own school MICHAEL ALLGOOD and call it CASCADE. then he hired some people who probabnly went off and did spring creek in montana and all those other early places. there were only like four. now there are hundreds in that state alone, as far as i think they are all cedu people clone sheep phuckers.
and the wilderness people there were that went and did the wilderness and or 3escort stuff. those people were around in the CEDU early days too. they had there other places like SORENSON's Ranch L. jay Mitchell and that DENNIS dude who went and started SUWS, and they had deaths of kids in their first year! no one will be able to name all the names of the pigfuckers theat went and started all those places. they spread like cancer, ruining families and trust funds as they go.

yeah. the public braiwashing world of florida and NANCY all lies see her birth certificate REAGAN and the private mind controlling teen killing parent scamming moneymakers were connected only by political contributions and clout.
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lease.. please... please for the love of god don\'t post pics of that said bowel movement.

Also.. this is getting old, boring, and I\'ll saying.. totally retarded.
You aren\'t acting like retards.. no.. you are a bunch of flaming retards.

There I did it.. I called you all gay retards.
Is that even possible?
Hey.. anyone know if retards swing both ways?

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« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2007, 10:11:03 AM »
I hate programs... they're a scam, like Niles said.
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« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2007, 10:41:43 AM »
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I would like to know how the Seed got placed in direct lineage with Phoenix house in that chart.  That isn't right!

Try Another Castle reported that an ex-boyfriend of his knew of a Phoenix House that was chock full of ex-synonanite douche bags working as staff members. Can't recollect where I saw this statement but I think it probably is buried on the Synonan forum somewhere.

the problem is the connection has not been made.  No one *knows*, at least no one is talking, about where Art Barker acquired the synanon techniques.  therefore, the entire seed/straight/kids/SAFE/et al lineage remains directly unconnected to the synanon and synanon spinoffs.

I say directly because it is obvious some of the synanon techniques showed up at the seed and then at the seed spinoffs (straight et al). So, indirectly..yes we know they were acquired. *HOW* is the missing link.

 The chart shows a direct connection which is speculative at best, misleading at worst.


Nope, he never worked at phoenix, but he did interview when he moved up to new york. (not the brightest bulb) What he worked at was walden house in san francisco, another synanon started rehab. It even says it on George Farnsworth's site on the front page. www.synanon.org. Both places came right out of there, and he said that the staff there talked about synanon all the time.

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We KNOW Cedu and Phoenix house have direct linkage to Synanon.  That is not in dispute.  

What I have been trying to do unsuccessfully for 7 years is connect Art Barker to the Syananon or a synanon spinoff and I have been unable to do so.

Who are you saying worked at Walden house?
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