Power of Positive Thinking... A YLF Statement

[Che Gookin]

Thanks, TSW! I took your advice and complemented some neighborhood kids who were throwing rocks at cars from behind these bushes up on the hill. One kid made contact with a nice new flashy auto driving by, so I told him, "Nice throw, kid -- maybe a little harder next time, but be careful not to smash the window or anything; that could lead to trouble." He said, "Thanks mister" and threw another one. It felt good to give him some encouragement and good advice at the same time.

A future major leagues pitcher in the making! Well Done!

[Che Gookin]

It's not out of character for anyone on this board, CCM Girl.

Normal on Fornits is not normal anywhere else. Most of the regulars on this forum have no idea how rare program parents truly are, or the fact that many of them need to be carefully incubated in a poisonous environment to be what they are. Similarly, the concept of complimenting the young people in your life is approached as an entirely novel concept that no one has heard of before.

Let me inject a dose of outside reality: It's not. Outside reality is the world of track coaches and after-school football; the reality of summer camp (and I can't say the words 'summer camp' on this board without triggering something, can I?) and vacations to Disney World; kids worrying about college. it's also the reality of kids trying pot, kids using Ritalin to cram for that next test, getting drunk every now and then, kids dropping out of school, kids doing dangerous stunts without benefit of protective equipment. It's the reality of wild parties, cops, and, for the really bad/stupid ones, juvenile hall. (The bad/smart ones.. nah, you figure it out.)

The concept of sending your kids off to some pseudo-treatment facility that clearly doesn't follow any of the tenets of mental health simply does not exist among sane people, and when informed of such a concept, said sane people recoil in horror.

This is why I suggest sending parents to Fornits; the insanity stands out on its own, and they're given a good glimpse into what they're REALLY in for after they're done talking to the slick ed-con, stopping the indoctrination process.

Actually the point of the original post had very little to directly do with programs. I just remember being a kid and how good it felt to have a teacher, bus driver, boy scout leader and so on praise me for a job well done.

It was a truly wonderful feeling.

In programmes the emphasis is commonly on what the child is doing wrong. Whatever happened to the idea of focusing on what the child is doing right? By no means do I suggest to parents that they ignore their kids mistakes. I do suggest they pour on the praise and reward the kids accordingly.

Just for god's sake don't give the kid 20 bucks and boot him out the door. Spend some of your precious time with your kid and take him to the waterpark and play some games or something with him.

Though becareful.. some real wierdos hang out at the waterpark.

*...lols.. just messing with you LUke. and no worries I won't mention the name of your forum either. Far to nice of a place to be defiled with the the poison of programmes.

[Anonymous]

Flippy-BUMP

[TheWho]

The concept of sending your kids off to some pseudo-treatment facility that clearly doesn't follow any of the tenets of mental health simply does not exist among sane people, and when informed of such a concept, said sane people recoil in horror.

I agree 100%.  The parents need to choose places that will praise their kids accomplishments and build self esteem.  If the schools do not have licensed therapists or give the child access to therapists in private practice, then maybe you should reconsider choosing that school.  Many of these schools focus on building self esteem and getting the child back on track with their education and personal goals.
Parents should always ask what type of discipline is used and determine if it fits with what your family does.  If schools don’t want you to meet the kids who are presently there or don’t have a list of parents you can talk to this should be a red flag.

Visit the campus, talk to staff and kids, talk to parents who have been thru the system before deciding… it is a lot of work but worth it for your peace of mind.



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[Anonymous]

talk to parents who have been thru the system

You mean like Pitbull Mom?

Oh, wait.. Aspen killed her kid. You probably wouldn't want people to talk to her.

[TheWho]

talk to parents who have been thru the system

You mean like Pitbull Mom?

Oh, wait.. Aspen killed her kid. You probably wouldn't want people to talk to her.

Exactly... you need to talk to as many people as possible those who benifited by the schools and those who were not.  This will give the parents a balanced perspective.
When purchasing a car it is good to read the good and bad (like consumer reports) toget a feel for the plus and minuses.


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[Anonymous]

General rule of arguing with programmies:

Wait until their own words damn them, then stop arguing.

We've reached that point.

[TheWho]

So just to recap:
The parents need to choose places that will praise their kids accomplishments and build self esteem. If the schools do not have licensed therapists or give the child access to therapists in private practice, then maybe you should reconsider choosing that school. Many of these schools focus on building self esteem and getting the child back on track with their education and personal goals.
Parents should always ask what type of discipline is used and determine if it fits with what your family does. If schools don’t want you to meet the kids who are presently there or don’t have a list of parents you can talk to this should be a red flag.

Visit the campus, talk to staff and talk to kids on campus, talk to parents who have been thru the system before deciding… it is a lot of work but worth it for your peace of mind.



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[Anonymous]

Which one doesn't? Let me take a look through the Aspen site to see which one doesn't do that...

Nope! Not seeing any ones that don't here. Looks like they're all hellholes.

Thanks for playing.

I think the point that was trying to be made was exactly that.  We shouldnt tell parents to rely on web sites (parody or not).  They should visit the schools and determine for themselves if it is a good fit for their family.  They shouldnt listen solely to kids here on fornits or programmies but should choose for themselves by visiting.

Yeah, parents should go to the facility and talk with with the brainwashed kids who would be in fear of talking negative about the facility in fear of some abuse and reprisal from staff (extending the term of their stay, setting them back, cutting off the limited communications with parents). Get the high pressure sales tactics (being told that their kid is going to die if they don't put them in their program).

I think this is an excellent idea. It sounds like something a pro-program shill would say.

[Anonymous]

It's not out of character for anyone on this board, CCM Girl.

Normal on Fornits is not normal anywhere else. Most of the regulars on this forum have no idea how rare program parents truly are, or the fact that many of them need to be carefully incubated in a poisonous environment to be what they are. Similarly, the concept of complimenting the young people in your life is approached as an entirely novel concept that no one has heard of before.

Let me inject a dose of outside reality: It's not. Outside reality is the world of track coaches and after-school football; the reality of summer camp (and I can't say the words 'summer camp' on this board without triggering something, can I?) and vacations to Disney World; kids worrying about college. it's also the reality of kids trying pot, kids using Ritalin to cram for that next test, getting drunk every now and then, kids dropping out of school, kids doing dangerous stunts without benefit of protective equipment. It's the reality of wild parties, cops, and, for the really bad/stupid ones, juvenile hall. (The bad/smart ones.. nah, you figure it out.)

The concept of sending your kids off to some pseudo-treatment facility that clearly doesn't follow any of the tenets of mental health simply does not exist among sane people, and when informed of such a concept, said sane people recoil in horror.

This is why I suggest sending parents to Fornits; the insanity stands out on its own, and they're given a good glimpse into what they're REALLY in for after they're done talking to the slick ed-con, stopping the indoctrination process.

 :tup:  :tup:  :cry:  :cry:  ::rose::  ::rose::

The truly sad thing is that kids  get sent away sooo young. I mean, if you're locked up at 16...but 13? And kept there a year or more? What sort of life is possible afterwards? And of course, when you add in the sort of life the kids had before lock-up at the hand of the "caring" parents.

Someone should do a genuine psch profile of program parents. The decent parent "conned" description fits only a tiny minority. What was the deciding excuse behind your lock up?

[TheWho]

15...16 is probably okay but 13.  I think that is a little young.  I would like to see the ages of kids who go to these places.  I would bet there are very few 13 yo kids.  I would be surprised if there were many.

[Anonymous]

CEDU FUCKING MIDDLE SCHOOL

Are you a survivor? 13 is very young, and it is rarer than being sent at 15, but it is hardly unheard of. Programs takes kids as young as 7. The have specific programs for 7-14 9-12. You are very very mistaken

[TheWho]

CEDU FUCKING MIDDLE SCHOOL

Are you a survivor? 13 is very young, and it is rarer than being sent at 15, but it is hardly unheard of. Programs takes kids as young as 7. The have specific programs for 7-14 9-12. You are very very mistaken

I think you missed the point.  No one was arguing that they did not take kids at age 13.  But compared to the older kids there are very few kids that young.  Most kids are older.

[Anonymous]

11 and 12 are advertised for. WWASPS took a 7 year old once. (I don't have the ref for that.. anyone?) Villa Santa Maria implies that it takes young children (or is engaged in serious, horrifying amounts of infantilism). As far as any real form of mind control goes, the rule is ALWAYS "The younger, the better!" (Hence why many programs have a focus on regression.)

What was the deciding excuse behind your lock up?

The reason I can talk so fluently about an outsider's point of view is because I am, like maybe a third of the Anonymous on this board, an outsider. Despite my disagreements with my parents, I can say with pride that they were never this crazy. Frankly, most of what I read here sickens and disturbs the hell out of me, even though that's what I'm searching for (one of the reasons I keep coming back here).

And yes, I know who's lying and who isn't. Real fucking obvious to anyone who knows jack or shit about Internet communication, or any communication for that matter. The programmies sound very much like Scientologists and gloss over real concerns. The survivors are usually independently corroborated and/or their stories simply cannot be fictional (as in no one can make this shit up, and I've seen some NASTY made-up shit).

Almost all of the sane parents who catch so much as a glimpse of Fornits, ISAC, Anti-WWASP, or any other anti-program site RUN LIKE FUCK from the entire thing, especially with the GAO hearings going on. Why? Because most of them live in the generally positive world that TSW implies is a rarity. The whole concept of sending their own children to a place where they may or may not be thrown into a small room for months on end disturbs them.

Unfortunately, it's the insane ones who buy into (for example) Lon Woodbury's "parent choice" bullshit, and a lot of the arguments with the few real parents who DO show up on Fornits end up becoming of the "you're already acting a bit crazy- PLEASE, for your kids' sake, do not act any CRAZIER" variety.

But, again- to refocus back to the original post- it's the NORMAL people who compliment their children ordinarily.

It's the NUTJOBS that need to be told to do this.

[Anonymous]

CEDU FUCKING MIDDLE SCHOOL

Are you a survivor? 13 is very young, and it is rarer than being sent at 15, but it is hardly unheard of. Programs takes kids as young as 7. The have specific programs for 7-14 9-12. You are very very mistaken

I think you missed the point.  No one was arguing that they did not take kids at age 13.  But compared to the older kids there are very few kids that young.  Most kids are older.

I guess proportionally to the total # of kids in these places there are many less 13 and yonger kids. But, there still are many, many, many, many kids 13 and younger locked up. There are numerous Entire programs dedicted specifically to them, sadly. My personal experiene, and social circle has the history of being 13 and younger when the "intervention"began.