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[Froderik]

Your anger is a positive sign that you are attempting to engage your repetitive Stinking Thinking behavior. You are showing progress by releasing this to me.

Ugh. I hope you realize when you "analyze" people in this fashion you just come off as really crazy.

With that said, in my opinion, AA isn’t a cult. Yeah, it has cult elements, but having elements does not a cult make…sorta like taking drugs does not make you a drug addict.

I would have to agree on both points, especially about our "stinkin' thinkin'" poster.

Didn't "Stuart Smalley" goof on that saying in an SNL sketch? Haha.

[Anonymous]

I don't believe Psy was fooled by a treatment center claiming it was a boarding school. He reviewed the brochures and is lying about this. Treatment centers do not lie to adults to get them to enroll.

Yes they do.  You want my sworn statement or you want to talk to my parents?

Eighteen year old have finished high school and would question the idea of a boarding school when they would be thinking about college.

did you not read I was home schooled and behind a half year?

I think it's time for Psy to get honest.

Fuck you.  I'll testify in court to what happened, so will others, and I you have no idea how much the suggestion to be honest when I ALREADY AM infuriates me (bad for your whole cult).

I was wondering if you were home schooled. That is why you were so frightened and reluctant to take the steps necessary to gain your emancipation. What you viewed as independence while living with your parents, was acutally dependence. When your parents attempted to help you gain independence, you recoiled into the womb.

Your anger does not hurt me, it only hurts you. It's time to let it go.

[Froderik]

You could of left at any time but were frightened. It is okay to be scared. Most 18 year olds face the same challenges and supercede them. Your parents pressured you, but could not force you. You made the decision on your own. You must stop blaming others for your decision to enter and stay at a treatment facility.

Man you're pretty good at this trolling thing, I gotta say.

But anyway.. you know damn well that programs are not above kidnapping people over 18 or holding them against their will..

Have I pissed on your fire enough...?

[Anonymous]

I think I'm probably going to raid one of their meetings sometime (or pick up chicks... good place to do it :wink:).

If you are a creep.

[Froderik]

I think I'm probably going to raid one of their meetings sometime (or pick up chicks... good place to do it :wink:).

If you are a creep.

Or just wants to get laid..?

I dunno...never been to an AA meeting.

[psy]

You could of left at any time but were frightened.

Sure I could leave the property any time but I sure as hell woudn't be leaving redlands with no money. A big cage is still a cage.  I was frightened too, i'll admit (since they told me i would die without program), but if there was a viable way to get out, i would have taken it if I could.  Shit... I collapsed of heat exhaustion after walking 25 miles in the summer California desert (near the path near San Bernadino airport.  Want to see the ambulance bills?  Point is, I didn't make it, and had to beg the hospital to transport me back to my motel I was in since I didn't want to walk back with my feet as bad as they were at the time (did I mention i walked the whole way with an untreated fungus on my feet that kept me limping.  I should have taken a picture for you.)  I can show you the letter (sent after a visit) where my parents noted that i walked with a limp.

It is okay to be scared. Most 18 year olds face the same challenges and supercede them. Your parents pressured you, but could not force you. You made the decision on your own. You must stop blaming others for your decision to enter and stay at a treatment facility.

bla bla bla.

[Botched Programming]

Here is what your average program pumps out the front door calling them successful graduates.

(1) I want you to look in that mirror, and I want you to repeat after me: "I am a worthy human being."

(2) I’m good enough, I’m smart enough, and dog-gone it, people like me.

[Froderik]

Here is what your average program pumps out the front door calling them successful graduates.

(1) I want you to look in that mirror, and I want you to repeat after me: "I am a worthy human being."

(2) I’m good enough, I’m smart enough, and dog-gone it, people like me.

:rofl: :tup:

[Anonymous]

You could of left at any time but were frightened.

Sure I could leave the property any time but I sure as hell woudn't be leaving redlands with no money. A big cage is still a cage.  I was frightened too, i'll admit (since they told me i would die without program), but if there was a viable way to get out, i would have taken it if I could.  Shit... I collapsed of heat exhaustion after walking 25 miles in the summer California desert (near the path near San Bernadino airport.  Want to see the ambulance bills?  Point is, I didn't make it, and had to beg the hospital to transport me back to my motel I was in since I didn't want to walk back with my feet as bad as they were at the time (did I mention i walked the whole way with an untreated fungus on my feet that kept me limping.  I should have taken a picture for you.)  I can show you the letter (sent after a visit) where my parents noted that i walked with a limp.

It is okay to be scared. Most 18 year olds face the same challenges and supercede them. Your parents pressured you, but could not force you. You made the decision on your own. You must stop blaming others for your decision to enter and stay at a treatment facility.

bla bla bla.

You are over dramatizing the day to day efforts each one of us go through living as free adults. Many of us had harships, and continue to have them. You were free to leave, but the city of Redlands scared you and you went back. Being home schooled I can understand this completely. You are blaming everything that went wrong on other people. This is your big mistake that only maturity can correct.

Take a year long break from this web site, it will clear your head.

[Froderik]

You are over dramatizing the day to day efforts each one of us go through living as free adults. Many of us had harships, and continue to have them. You were free to leave, but the city of Redlands scared you and you went back. Being home schooled I can understand this completely. You are blaming everything that went wrong on other people. This is your big mistake that only maturity can correct.

Take a year long break from this web site, it will clear your head.

I wouldn't waste any more time with this "voice from nowhere" if I were you, psy...

[Rachael]

I wouldn't waste any more time on this "voice from nowhere" if I were you, psy...

+1

Yeah, don't let the trolls get you down.

[psy]

I don't believe Psy was fooled by a treatment center claiming it was a boarding school. He reviewed the brochures and is lying about this. Treatment centers do not lie to adults to get them to enroll.

Yes they do.  You want my sworn statement or you want to talk to my parents?

Eighteen year old have finished high school and would question the idea of a boarding school when they would be thinking about college.

did you not read I was home schooled and behind a half year?

I think it's time for Psy to get honest.

Fuck you.  I'll testify in court to what happened, so will others, and I you have no idea how much the suggestion to be honest when I ALREADY AM infuriates me (bad for your whole cult).

I was wondering if you were home schooled. That is why you were so frightened and reluctant to take the steps necessary to gain your emancipation.

Reluctant??!?!?  You know nothing at ALL about me.  All i've ever wanted was my freedom...  that's all.  Just that.

What you viewed as independence while living with your parents,

I WASN'T LIVING WITH THEM

I really wanted very little to do with them at all.  I was living in Ireland.  I was threatened with deportation and a "boarding school" didn't seem all that bad at the time.

was acutally dependence. When your parents attempted to help you gain independence, you recoiled into the womb.

Your anger does not hurt me, it only hurts you. It's time to let it go.

Fighting this industry IS me letting go.  I AM letting go of the last shreds of bullshit you people instilled in me, regaining my confidence, and rediscovering who I was.

What I will NOT do is become apathetic, forget about what they did and become apathetic enough to ignore the fact that it is still happening.

[Anonymous]

I can only assume these are more supposed victims of "the industry". Misery loves company. That is why they react so passionately when I am trying to set another one of them free.

Is psy the leader of the miserables? That's my new name for this web site, cauldron of the miserables. Ha.

[Che Gookin]

ALL HAIL PSY!

[Anonymous]

I think there have been actual scientifically valid studies that show that AA does some good? Am I correct in that?

Not really.

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html


When I said "Keep coming back, it will probably kill you if you work it" I wasn't at all kidding.

There are other options for addicts and alcoholics who want voluntary recovery solutions.  Maia Szalavitz wrote a Book on Recovery options and some more are listed on the Orange Papers.

hmm.. I must say, though, I don’t trust Miiaia She writes that the parents who put their kids away are just "decent" but "scared", usually, and I think most of these parents cannot be considered decent. She also wrote about a "treatment" program that is "evidence based" that helps kids that were involved in violent crime as part her summation of alternative treatments, which misrepresents the kids who are locked away in programs.

Further, the "treatment" involved reenacting crimes in a way that was supposed to make the kid feel empathy for their victim...and it was done in a group setting, with other kids giving feed back, it makes me wary...

But, huh, no evidence showing that aa works, that’s pretty funny..I’ll read those links later. Intuitively, (not that means much) I feel that aa can work, just because it provides people who are rudderless a way to anchor themselves socially, to have a supportive social network from which they don’t have to hide their issues, and can sort of give them hope..Also, some of their ideas about thought problems (stinking thinking) when not misused, sound on target. Stinking think sounds a lot like depressive thinking. But I’ve read how individual aa sects get unhealthy…and that seems like a probable complication, given how its run.