drug addicts don't want to get clean

[TheWho]

I don't know about some of those analogies.. but it would appear that something should change in order to protect kids from ending up in horribly abusive or fatal situations.

I agree, if kids are getting abused and/or dying, that would be the first place to start.  Identify the programs, get the problems fixed via regulation ( for those who feel this would stop it), shut down the schools who fail to comply or continue to put the kids in harm’s way.

Systematically clean up the industry is the right path, in my opinion.  Throwing a blanket over the entire industry and saying it is evil isn’t going to go anywhere or effect any change.  George Miller knows this, his panel will eventually name names and specific areas which need to be addressed and regulated.  He won’t recommend to shut down the mental health field as a whole, that’s fringe group mentality, he will identify areas which need improvement and order the closure of some schools/ boot camps until specific changes occur or until they get licensed.  These are the paths which may lead to improving conditions for the kids.



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[SettleForNothingLess]

I don't know about some of those analogies.. but it would appear that something should change in order to protect kids from ending up in horribly abusive or fatal situations.

I agree, if kids are getting abused and/or dying, that would be the first place to start.  Identify the programs, get the problems fixed via regulation ( for those who feel this would stop it), shut down the schools who fail to comply or continue to put the kids in harm’s way.

Systematically clean up the industry is the right path, in my opinion.  Throwing a blanket over the entire industry and saying it is evil isn’t going to go anywhere or effect any change.  George Miller knows this, his panel will eventually name names and specific areas which need to be addressed and regulated.  He won’t recommend to shut down the mental health field as a whole, that’s fringe group mentality, he will identify areas which need improvement and order the closure of some schools/ boot camps until specific changes occur or until they get licensed.  These are the paths which may lead to improving conditions for the kids.



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Even if programs a"licensed" they can still be shitpits.

[Anonymous]

ok who keep posting on the up and up its a better you today good for you now start rescueing some of those unlawfully incarcerated institutionaly abused children still in many many many programs operating in false good standing today

[Anonymous]

who, is it your job to troll all day making yourself seem credible and intelligent to prospective parents?

[Froderik]

I don't know about some of those analogies.. but it would appear that something should change in order to protect kids from ending up in horribly abusive or fatal situations.

I agree, if kids are getting abused and/or dying, that would be the first place to start.  Identify the programs, get the problems fixed via regulation ( for those who feel this would stop it), shut down the schools who fail to comply or continue to put the kids in harm’s way.

Systematically clean up the industry is the right path, in my opinion.  Throwing a blanket over the entire industry and saying it is evil isn’t going to go anywhere or effect any change.  George Miller knows this, his panel will eventually name names and specific areas which need to be addressed and regulated.  He won’t recommend to shut down the mental health field as a whole, that’s fringe group mentality, he will identify areas which need improvement and order the closure of some schools/ boot camps until specific changes occur or until they get licensed.  These are the paths which may lead to improving conditions for the kids.



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Even if programs a"licensed" they can still be shitpits.

Yeah in so many cases, programs' approaches are wrong (that is to say, doomed to failure in one or many aspects) from the very start....absolutely.

[Anonymous]

ok who keep posting on the up and up its a better you today good for you now start rescueing some of those unlawfully incarcerated institutionaly abused children still in many many many programs operating in false good standing today

[Anonymous]

TO ANY PARENTS STILL TAKING THEWHO SERIOUSLY: THIS IS HOW HE DEALS WITH PARENTS. You really want to send your kids to be "helped" by this guy? You really think this is coming from a man who actually knows anything about treatment?

If so, I pity you. And your kids. Don't tell us you weren't warned.

People without real degrees should not be practicing mental health. Extrajudicial incarceration should not exist in a civilized country. But the concepts of "least restrictive environment", consent, and, well, any kind of actual ethics, all elude this asshole like so much fog.

Go back to North Korea, Who.

[Anonymous]

I don't know about some of those analogies.. but it would appear that something should change in order to protect kids from ending up in horribly abusive or fatal situations.

I agree, if kids are getting abused and/or dying, that would be the first place to start.  Identify the programs, get the problems fixed via regulation ( for those who feel this would stop it), shut down the schools who fail to comply or continue to put the kids in harm’s way.

if if if dude institutionalized child abuse is happening right now



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[Froderik]

I don't know about some of those analogies.. but it would appear that something should change in order to protect kids from ending up in horribly abusive or fatal situations.

I agree, if kids are getting abused and/or dying, that would be the first place to start.  Identify the programs, get the problems fixed via regulation ( for those who feel this would stop it), shut down the schools who fail to comply or continue to put the kids in harm’s way.

if if if dude institutionalized child abuse is happening right now

..fixed that for ya..

[TheWho]

I don't know about some of those analogies.. but it would appear that something should change in order to protect kids from ending up in horribly abusive or fatal situations.

I agree, if kids are getting abused and/or dying, that would be the first place to start.  Identify the programs, get the problems fixed via regulation ( for those who feel this would stop it), shut down the schools who fail to comply or continue to put the kids in harm’s way.

Systematically clean up the industry is the right path, in my opinion.  Throwing a blanket over the entire industry and saying it is evil isn’t going to go anywhere or effect any change.  George Miller knows this, his panel will eventually name names and specific areas which need to be addressed and regulated.  He won’t recommend to shut down the mental health field as a whole, that’s fringe group mentality, he will identify areas which need improvement and order the closure of some schools/ boot camps until specific changes occur or until they get licensed.  These are the paths which may lead to improving conditions for the kids.



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Even if programs a"licensed" they can still be shitpits.

Agreed, that is why I am not totally bought in to this regulation will solve the problem mentality.  I think it may help in some areas and make things worse in others.  If people want to hurt others they are going to do it whether they are licensed or regulated... some of the regulations just might make it more difficult for them to operate.



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[Froderik]

Agreed, that is why I am not totally bought in to this regulation will solve the problem mentality.  I think it may help in some areas and make things worse in others.  If people want to hurt others they are going to do it whether they are licensed or regulated... some of the regulations just might make it more difficult for them to operate.

Regulation may decrease the odds of that sort of thing, but really, entirely new laws need to exist that protect the rights of children by giving them due process so as to avoid coercive and unqualified treatment.

[SettleForNothingLess]

I don't know about some of those analogies.. but it would appear that something should change in order to protect kids from ending up in horribly abusive or fatal situations.

I agree, if kids are getting abused and/or dying, that would be the first place to start.  Identify the programs, get the problems fixed via regulation ( for those who feel this would stop it), shut down the schools who fail to comply or continue to put the kids in harm’s way.

Systematically clean up the industry is the right path, in my opinion.  Throwing a blanket over the entire industry and saying it is evil isn’t going to go anywhere or effect any change.  George Miller knows this, his panel will eventually name names and specific areas which need to be addressed and regulated.  He won’t recommend to shut down the mental health field as a whole, that’s fringe group mentality, he will identify areas which need improvement and order the closure of some schools/ boot camps until specific changes occur or until they get licensed.  These are the paths which may lead to improving conditions for the kids.



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Even if programs a"licensed" they can still be shitpits.

Agreed, that is why I am not totally bought in to this regulation will solve the problem mentality.  I think it may help in some areas and make things worse in others.  If people want to hurt others they are going to do it whether they are licensed or regulated... some of the regulations just might make it more difficult for them to operate.



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i doubt it. I wont be satisfied till there all closed down. No more abuse, no more manipulation, no more taking advantage of parents and kids in crisis to make money to wipe their asses with.,

[Anonymous]

It really makes it difficult to determine which kids will grow out of it and which ones will not.  There are too many stories like the one CCM told where her cousin hit bottom at age 27.  This guy could have benefited from getting help in his teens.  So faced with these decisions (and results like these) it is hard to just throw up our hands and say lets wait and see.... we are not a "Wait and see" society. we are doers and solvers and look for results quickly. [/color] That is why parents look for help outside when they cant solve the issues locally or within the home.
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Spoken like a true Pro-Program propaganda (bullshit) spreader. You say that you looked for results quickly and that's why you did not try famil;y counseling before shipping your own daughter off to a hell hole.

I'll bet your sales pitch to parents is "It's good enough for my daughter so send your child."

It's a whole lot easier to ship a kid off and let someone else deal with them than deal with them yourself. "The easier and softer way for you." And hell it don't hurt that it puts a dollar in your pocket. I would bet you would even sell out you mother if you knew it would make you a dollar.

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[Anne Bonney]

Personally, I would like Who to answer the question about his connection to Bain.  I think it would clear up quite a bit.


Who?  Care to enlighten us?




Alright, I'm taking bets on if he'll answer or not.  Whaddya guys think?

 :rofl:

[Anne Bonney]

GIS on Aspen Education Bain Capital

http://tinyurl.com/28vgxx



http://www.frazierhealthcare.com/pdf/aspen_092906.pdf

For Immediate Release: September 29, 2006
Contact: Robert Weiner, Rebecca Vander Linde, or Richard Bangs 301-283-0821/202-329-1700

CRC HEALTH GROUP TO ACQUIRE ASPEN EDUCATION, LEADING PROVIDER OF TREATMENT TO STRUGGLING ADOLESCENTS AND YOUNG ADULTS

Cupertino, CA -- September 29, 2006 -- Dr. Barry Karlin, Chairman & CEO of CRC Health Group, the nation’s largest chemical dependency and related behavioral health organization, today announced the signing of a definitive merger agreement to acquire Aspen Education Group, the foremost provider of educational assistance to struggling young people and their families. Terms of the agreement, which is expected to close in mid-November, were not disclosed.

“The merger of these two like-minded companies will create a synergy of treatment and educational options that is unprecedented,â€