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« Reply #375 on: November 16, 2007, 05:55:25 PM »
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Psy,

I had figured out EP's identity via board postings and myspace and not moderating powers I agreed to respect his privacy.
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How did you manage to do that? I'm not trolling you, or trying to insinuate anything sinister, but the idea that mods can know our personal identites is kinda SCARING me, now....

Do you know who I am?

What can a person know from ips alone?


Actually I am not even a mod and I know who you are... quit picking your nose and put a piece of masking tape over your web cam if you want privacy... and god damit get a user name.



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« Reply #376 on: November 16, 2007, 05:57:28 PM »
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This is the problem I have with the whole thing. If I had gone out and exposed a Survivor  everyone would have gone psychotic. Let's be honest.. not many people here would agree to such an action no matter if the survivor had posted their name for a short period or not.


Yes but I guess the only analogy I can think of right now is how the media doesn't use a rape victims name.  Survivors are victims of abuse.  The Who (program shill, possibly posing as a parent) is not.  He's here to do research and promote programs.  THAT, IMO, is relevant information.  

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So here we have the Who...

Where do you start drawing lines about what is acceptable to expose or not?

I see your point but still don't think what Psy did (wrong or right) rises to the level of stalking

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I'm not so sure I would have refused to post the Who's information had I came across it. So it is for this reason I'm not willing to beat up on Psy about it. No point in roughing the guy up for something I probably would have done myself.

However, to wrap up my point, either we respect everyone's privacy or we respect noboby's privacy.


Ok, maybe his name wasn't needed (still, he did post it himself) but.....
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« Reply #377 on: November 16, 2007, 06:10:00 PM »
I think everyone has their personal limits when it comes to freedom of speech.  The porn doesn’t bother me, the screaming gorillas are irritating and disruptive, the bad language is okay and I am use to getting called every name in the book for my opinions.  What I think is crossing the line is posting peoples pictures and personal information.. even if it is out there already for people to see.

For example:  If a highschool yearbook posts pictures of their homecoming I don’t think it is right for those pictures to be used elsewhere or on porn sights…cut and pasted for others enjoyment.. if a corporation posts pictures of employees they are meant to be viewed by potential customers and for others to use them for ridicule on sites like fornits is wrong.
These are not first amendment violations but just my personal opinion of what I think is too far.

Just for the record, I did not write that post about “quit picking your noseâ€
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« Reply #378 on: November 16, 2007, 06:11:53 PM »
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Yes but I guess the only analogy I can think of right now is how the media doesn't use a rape victims name. Survivors are victims of abuse. The Who (program shill, possibly posing as a parent) is not. He's here to do research and promote programs. THAT, IMO, is relevant information.




Did you like it when your personal details got posted? I can't imagine you found it very amusing. I know I didn't like it when I was being threatened by Issabelle's comrade on the Chieftain forum with my personal information.

This sort of thing has to work both ways. No where do I say you need to like the who, but damn.. his privacy should be just as protected as the next posters.

In my opinion what happened here is some poor schlepp was made the unwelcome victim of internet harrassment. Not the sort you are thinking about but from what I know someone has already emailed the guy's coworkers and another has made phone calls. Even if it is the WHO.. no one merits that sort of invasion into their personal life.

We claim its bad enough that when an escort drags some kid from his room. To me I feel like what is happening right now is about on the same damn level. Even attempting to justify it as "well the guy is a programmie" rings awfully hollow to me at least.

My biggest regret here on fornits, and I've a few regrets for sure, is the time I posted some of karen in dallas's private messages. It made me feel as if I broke some sort of unspoken expectation. Maybe it is just me but I've always been under the assumption that fornits has been about promoting privacy.

Definitely this whole thing has made me view fornits in general in a very different light.


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« Reply #379 on: November 16, 2007, 06:19:40 PM »
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Yes but I guess the only analogy I can think of right now is how the media doesn't use a rape victims name. Survivors are victims of abuse. The Who (program shill, possibly posing as a parent) is not. He's here to do research and promote programs. THAT, IMO, is relevant information.

So lets say I think you are using your boat to transport weapons of mass destruction to the enemy south of you.  Does that mean I can just blow up your boat?  With you in it?  Or should I get a little more information maybe confirm it?  I don’t work for the industry.. you just wish I did so you can justify your opinions of me.

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Ok, maybe his name wasn't needed (still, he did post it himself) but.....


You give your credit card to your waitress, so is it okay if she writes down your number and name and gives it to the bell hop who is collecting them?  You gave it to her free and clear and you didn’t ask her to keep it to herself…..Or is there an implied trust or agreement there?



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« Reply #380 on: November 16, 2007, 06:25:01 PM »
Quote from: ""The Evil Overlord's Guide""
40. I will be neither chivalrous nor sporting. If I have an unstoppable superweapon, I will use it as early and as often as possible instead of keeping it in reserve.
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« Reply #381 on: November 16, 2007, 06:33:47 PM »
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I think everyone has their personal limits when it comes to freedom of speech.  The porn doesn’t bother me, the screaming gorillas are irritating and disruptive, the bad language is okay and I am use to getting called every name in the book for my opinions.  What I think is crossing the line is posting peoples pictures and personal information.. even if it is out there already for people to see.

For example:  If a highschool yearbook posts pictures of their homecoming I don’t think it is right for those pictures to be used elsewhere or on porn sights…cut and pasted for others enjoyment.. if a corporation posts pictures of employees they are meant to be viewed by potential customers and for others to use them for ridicule on sites like fornits is wrong.
These are not first amendment violations but just my personal opinion of what I think is too far.

Just for the record, I did not write that post about “quit picking your noseâ€
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« Reply #382 on: November 16, 2007, 06:37:57 PM »
That is if it is in fact from his website. I've seen nothing here to demonstrate that it is other than some vague tenous connections.

Even then.. it shouldn't have been posted.
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« Reply #383 on: November 16, 2007, 06:40:47 PM »
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I think everyone has their personal limits when it comes to freedom of speech.  The porn doesn’t bother me, the screaming gorillas are irritating and disruptive, the bad language is okay and I am use to getting called every name in the book for my opinions.  What I think is crossing the line is posting peoples pictures and personal information.. even if it is out there already for people to see.

For example:  If a highschool yearbook posts pictures of their homecoming I don’t think it is right for those pictures to be used elsewhere or on porn sights…cut and pasted for others enjoyment.. if a corporation posts pictures of employees they are meant to be viewed by potential customers and for others to use them for ridicule on sites like fornits is wrong.
These are not first amendment violations but just my personal opinion of what I think is too far.

Just for the record, I did not write that post about “quit picking your noseâ€
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« Reply #384 on: November 16, 2007, 06:43:36 PM »
I hope this does not stop anyone from posting TheWho's real information. You can do a background check for about $20 and find out all sorts of interesting things about people.
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« Reply #385 on: November 16, 2007, 06:46:38 PM »
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Yes but I guess the only analogy I can think of right now is how the media doesn't use a rape victims name. Survivors are victims of abuse. The Who (program shill, possibly posing as a parent) is not. He's here to do research and promote programs. THAT, IMO, is relevant information.

So lets say I think you are using your boat to transport weapons of mass destruction to the enemy south of you.  Does that mean I can just blow up your boat?  With you in it?  Or should I get a little more information maybe confirm it?  I don’t work for the industry.. you just wish I did so you can justify your opinions of me.


Jeeeeeeeezus Christ!   How much MORE can you exaggerate things??  Nobody blew up your building or your house.  

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You give your credit card to your waitress, so is it okay if she writes down your number and name and gives it to the bell hop who is collecting them?  You gave it to her free and clear and you didn’t ask her to keep it to herself…..Or is there an implied trust or agreement there?



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This isn't a business.  Its a public forum.  You may have a debatable issue about whether or not it was "right" to do, but that's it.    Its not stalking, its not harassment (you do have a choice to leave here ya know), its irritating and annoying.   You come around here and spew out the kind of bullshit that you do, misdirect and derail virtually every goddamn thread you're in, minimize stories of abuse, tout "success" stories as solid "proof that it works", totally misrepresent facts, twist stats and generally lobby for programs and you're surprised that we (remember, this is first and foremost a survivors forum) don't give you the same respect that we do each other?  I don't respect you.   That doesn't mean I think you should be threatened or banned or whatever else......BUT...posting a picture of you from your website is a far cry from the analogies you've tried to use here.  Jesus!  Man up ya big crybaby!  Most of us have had far worse done to us in programs AND here.
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« Reply #386 on: November 16, 2007, 06:51:50 PM »
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This isn't a business.  Its a public forum.  You may have a debatable issue about whether or not it was "right" to do, but that's it.    Its not stalking, its not harassment (you do have a choice to leave here ya know), its irritating and annoying.   You come around here and spew out the kind of bullshit that you do, misdirect and derail virtually every goddamn thread you're in, minimize stories of abuse, tout "success" stories as solid "proof that it works", totally misrepresent facts, twist stats and generally lobby for programs and you're surprised that we (remember, this is first and foremost a survivors forum) don't give you the same respect that we do each other?  I don't respect you.   That doesn't mean I think you should be threatened or banned or whatever else......BUT...posting a picture of you from your website is a far cry from the analogies you've tried to use here.  Jesus!  Man up ya big crybaby!  Most of us have had far worse done to us in programs AND here.



So anyone who disagrees with us is now at risk of having their personal information posted?
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« Reply #387 on: November 16, 2007, 07:01:34 PM »
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This isn't a business.  Its a public forum.  You may have a debatable issue about whether or not it was "right" to do, but that's it.    Its not stalking, its not harassment (you do have a choice to leave here ya know), its irritating and annoying.   You come around here and spew out the kind of bullshit that you do, misdirect and derail virtually every goddamn thread you're in, minimize stories of abuse, tout "success" stories as solid "proof that it works", totally misrepresent facts, twist stats and generally lobby for programs and you're surprised that we (remember, this is first and foremost a survivors forum) don't give you the same respect that we do each other?  I don't respect you.   That doesn't mean I think you should be threatened or banned or whatever else......BUT...posting a picture of you from your website is a far cry from the analogies you've tried to use here.  Jesus!  Man up ya big crybaby!  Most of us have had far worse done to us in programs AND here.


So anyone who disagrees with us is now at risk of having their personal information posted?



No, of course not.  I didn't say it was right. I said its a far cry from the analogies that he has used.
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« Reply #388 on: November 16, 2007, 07:03:49 PM »
So if you don't think it was right then why do you seemingly keep defending the notion that because he is who he is the posting of his personal information is ok?

That is the read I'm getting here. I might be wrong though.
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« Reply #389 on: November 16, 2007, 07:05:29 PM »
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That is stinking thinking, your life is what you make of it.


Simple, yet effective troll-bait.
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