Residential school syndrome - PTSD and trauma

[red lion]

This syndrome pertains to Native American children who were forced to enter residential schools way back in the day. It stripped them of identity - & there actually seems to be parallels between this and modern day "programs" - I could elaborate on that - for the intellectually challenged who cannot see the obvious similarities.

At any rate, the article discusses PTSD and the ensuing problems that "survivors" of these programs encounter - I'm sure it will seem all too familiar.

http://hawkeyeassociates.ca/articles/Re ... 0Paper.pdf

http://www.bcma.org/public/bc_medical_j ... _pasts.asp

(& to all those who believe any program can possibly be good, don't bother responding - I don't have the patience today for your bullshit.)

[TheWho]

(& to all those who believe any program can possibly be good, don't bother responding - I don't have the patience today for your bullshit.)

Already have your mind made up, wlecome stranger, you have come to the right place, you will fit in well here.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for posting those.Good reads.

[Anonymous]

thanks for the links red lion - & great name!

[red lion]

you are most welcome.

[3xsaSeedling]

thanks for the links red lion - & great name!

[Anne Bonney]

That's what I think people like Who and CCM refuse to look at.  The fact that these places completely re-work someone's psyche.  They fuck around with kids' core.  How can that EVER be safe?  How can that kind of isolation, humiliation and thought reform EVER be safe?  The best way I've ever come up with to describe, in a nutshell, how it felt was this.  Its like someone takes an egg scrambler to your brain and your soul.  They strip you of all security, self esteem and identity and install one that's more to their liking.  How can anything like that EVER be safe?

[Botched Programming]

That's what I think people like Who and CCM refuse to look at.  The fact that these places completely re-work someone's psyche.  They fuck around with kids' core.  How can that EVER be safe?  How can that kind of isolation, humiliation and thought reform EVER be safe?  The best way I've ever come up with to describe, in a nutshell, how it felt was this.  Its like someone takes an egg scrambler to your brain and your soul.  They strip you of all security, self esteem and identity and install one that's more to their liking.  How can anything like that EVER be safe?

Well Said Anne.......

[red lion]

It's also about assimiliation - the notions of moralizing behavior - the indians had "gross" notions of sexuality etc. that "needed to be reformed."

I'm not saying there aren't troubled kids out there, but stripping ANYONE of their identity, under the guise of "helping" them is definitely not the way to go.

Help does not include humiliation, coercion, and denying someone human rights and respect.

Help, needless to say, does not include abuse in any form. Why are some people still arguing this? The historical facts of "residential schools" are out there.

The trolls try to continually subvert the conversation about crime and punishment and what happens when people "choose not to follow the rules". They blame out of control teens for the havoc the wreak.

The bottom line is this - despite the tangential postings of a few, the fact remains the vast majority of programs (I would say all - I don't know of one that's decent) are corporations. They don't care about kids, they care about the financial bottom line. Show me a program who puts kids over money and then we'll talk. Until then, we'll assume they are all pretty shitty.

[SettleForNothingLess]

BUMP

[Anonymous]

after six months with my daughter in program, I became aware of your board.

When she refused to go back to her TBS after her first visit home, I understood.  It was not easy. But.

Thank you.

She has tested out of high school, is working and more importantly is not STRIPPED of her identity. Oh yeah, she is considering community college but I look at her clear eyes and hear that belly laugh and know we did the right thing.

[Anonymous]

oh yeah, wanted to add, thank you PSY and Rachael for your posts. Your writings made it possible. Being different is not bad. In fact it's a breath of fresh of air. I embrace my daughter's alternative ways. One year ago, I pleaded with an educational consultant, "but do you send someone away for the way the THINK?"

I work everyday on forgiveness and understanding. It's a work in progress and we've come a long way on our journey. Never again will someone tell me what to with my child.




Mother remember the blink of an eye when I breathed through your body?

Iron and Wine (a band)

[Che Gookin]

That's what I think people like Who and CCM refuse to look at.  The fact that these places completely re-work someone's psyche.  They fuck around with kids' core.  How can that EVER be safe?  How can that kind of isolation, humiliation and thought reform EVER be safe?  The best way I've ever come up with to describe, in a nutshell, how it felt was this.  Its like someone takes an egg scrambler to your brain and your soul.  They strip you of all security, self esteem and identity and install one that's more to their liking.  How can anything like that EVER be safe?

Or the fact that this sort of nonsense has been perpetuated before and found to be a terrible state of affairs and yet here we are doing it all over again on a larger scale?

History is indeed repeating itself.. not for the first time either..

[psy]

That's what I think people like Who and CCM refuse to look at.  The fact that these places completely re-work someone's psyche.  They fuck around with kids' core.  How can that EVER be safe?  How can that kind of isolation, humiliation and thought reform EVER be safe?  The best way I've ever come up with to describe, in a nutshell, how it felt was this.  Its like someone takes an egg scrambler to your brain and your soul.  They strip you of all security, self esteem and identity and install one that's more to their liking.  How can anything like that EVER be safe?

Well Said Anne.......

I agree.  But safe is a red herring in my mind.  Forced treatment, to me, is simply not ethical at all, regardless of efficacy or safety, and I'm glad at least one shrink agrees with me:

http://archive.salon.com/health/books/2 ... index.html

[Nihilanthic]

Forced treatment of mental illness is brainwashing by default, is it not.

YOU ARE SICK. YOU HAVE THIS WRONG. WE WILL FIX IT. YOU'RE FIXED!

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