Author Topic: What if it were a choice?  (Read 6513 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline TheWho

  • Posts: 7256
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
What if it were a choice?
« Reply #30 on: December 31, 2007, 02:06:54 PM »
Quote
Should Henry Rollins have been sent to a TBS?

Great example!!  Dish
It seems to have served him well.  It got him out of the poor environment he was in.  Lots of racial tensions…he was being abused at home and being beat up on the streets.  The school helped him develop a sense of discipline which seems to have worked to his advantage
It takes a ton of self confidence and discipline to stay focused and become a successful song writer and singer…. Good stuff.
Henry is an accomplished muscian, actor and author…..He is happy…….. He is making a positive contribution to our world.

Troubled teen turned human rights activist:


- During the 2003 Iraq War, he started touring with the United Service Organizations to entertain troops overseas, despite his personal opposition to the war and the Bush administration.

Who knows how he would have turned out without intervention?



...
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Froderik

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 7547
  • Karma: +10/-0
    • View Profile
What if it were a choice?
« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2007, 02:16:34 PM »
Quote from: ""dishdutyfugitive""
Should Henry Rollins have been sent to a TBS?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_rollins

His parents failed him. Military boarding school didn't 'save' him.
He was a 'failure' after boarding school. Lived what most would consider a deplorable life by being a punk rock band member.

Henry is an accomplished muscian, actor and author. All with no thanks to TBS.  He's got $. He is happy. He is making a positive contribution to our world.

Troubled teen turned human rights activist:


- During the 2003 Iraq War, he started touring with the United Service Organizations to entertain troops overseas, despite his personal opposition to the war and the Bush administration.

- gay rights

Rise Above
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHk7zahvDFI

Jealous cowards try to control
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
They distort what we say
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
Try and stop what we do
Rise above
When they cant do it themselves

We are tired of your abuse
Try to stop us its no use

Societys arms of control
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
Think theyre smart
Cant think for themselves
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
Laugh at us
Behind our backs
I find satisfaction
In what they lack

We are tired of your abuse
Try to stop us its no use

We are born with a chance
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
I am gonna have my chance
Rise above
Were gonna rise above

We are tired of your abuse
Try to stop us its no use

Rise above
Rise above
Rise above
Were gonna rise above
Were gonna rise above
Were gonna rise above

Fuckin' A, dishduty... Thanks for posting this! Ol' Henry may not have been the quintessential throat for Black Flag, but I'll admit I dug Damaged back in those days...I saw the Flag play down at Terminal 406 (an all-ages 'club' which was really just a warehouse down on Eutaw St) back in 1982 before getting shanghaied...  RISE ABOVE!!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
What if it were a choice?
« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2007, 02:22:37 PM »
Henry Rollins attended The Bullis School. It's a real military academy. It isn't a TBS.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline dishdutyfugitive

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 1105
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
    • http://www.foxmovies.com/fightclub/
What if it were a choice?
« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2007, 02:23:40 PM »
Actually, Henry is the authority on this one.

Hopefully he'll respond and I'll post it here.

Email to Henry:

Henry,

You're my James Brown TV dinner.
No seriously, I would like to hear your thoughts.

I am one of many grown 'troubled teens' that visit a website callled www.fornits.com. Here, we collectivley brush the dust off of our selves by discussing the insane cultish practices used by a large number of "Therapeutic Boarding Schools" that we attended.

A common theme that comes up in these discussions, and a common scare tactic used by the salesmen at these TBS  is, "If you don't send your child here ($50k+ a year) he will continue down the wrong path and end up dead"

I remember listening to Black Flag in the 80's and am very impressed with your contributions since Black Flag. You are living proof that a 'troubled teen' can turn himself around on his own and not pay some untrained degenerate (TBS Staff) $150 a day to drink the kool aid..

I'd love to hear your thoughts.

http://wwf.fornits.com/viewforum.php?f=9

- Dishdutyfugitive
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
What if it were a choice?
« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2007, 02:45:07 PM »
The link doesn't work.

But the truth is, you don't need Henry to state the obvious.

"Troubled teens" don't exist any more than "molested teens" exist.
Obviously, their are kids who are troubled, and there are kids who are molested, but "troubled teen" is used to imply a kid who is crazy for no reason, in a vacuum, while molested teen imples a human being who is being victimized.

If a kid is genuinely "troubled" it's because someone is troubling them(parents) just like if a kid is "molested" there is someone molesting them.
They are victims. not monsters.

The same rules apply to helping troubled teens as helping molested teens: STOP troubling/molesting them. Put the peple who abuse them in prison, and get them into an environment where they are safe, not from "themselves" but from troublemakers.

Despite being troubled, or molested, those kids are  normal. They want happiness and fufillment in life. That's an instinctual drive, and unless you are intellectualy disabled or genuinely mentally ill(scitzophernia), all you need to do is give them what "normal" kids take for granted: a safe environment and opprotuniites.

The idea that kids  tormenting or imprisoned in some institution, completely isolating them from society and opprotunities, treating them like criminals who don't even deserve due process, is madness. Worse, it takes vulnerable kids and creates madness in them.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
What if it were a choice?
« Reply #35 on: December 31, 2007, 02:49:51 PM »
The idea that kids  tormenting or imprisoned in some institution, completely isolating them from society and opprotunities, treating them like criminals who don't even deserve due process, is madness. Worse, it takes vulnerable kids and creates madness in them.[/quote]
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline dishdutyfugitive

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 1105
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
    • http://www.foxmovies.com/fightclub/
What if it were a choice?
« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2007, 02:54:26 PM »
The link doesn't work.
I just double checked both and they worked. You can go to wikipedia and enter henry rollins or go to  youtube.com and enter black flag.

But the truth is, you don't need Henry to state the obvious.
True - but I bet he'll have some interesting commentary. He was molested by the way.

"Troubled teens" don't exist any more than "molested teens" exist.
Obviously, their are kids who are troubled, and there are kids who are molested, but "troubled teen" is used to imply a kid who is crazy for no reason, in a vacuum, while molested teen imples a human being who is being victimized.
True - I assume Henry isn't familiar with our TBS cultspeak so I used generic terms for him to relate to.

If a kid is genuinely "troubled" it's because someone is troubling them(parents) just like if a kid is "molested" there is someone molesting them.
They are victims. not monsters.
Very True. I think parent's should go to 'get your shit together camp'.

The same rules apply to helping troubled teens as helping molested teens: STOP troubling/molesting them. Put the peple who abuse them in prison, and get them into an environment where they are safe, not from "themselves" but from troublemakers.

Despite being troubled, or molested, those kids are  normal. They want happiness and fufillment in life. That's an instinctual drive, and unless you are intellectualy disabled or genuinely mentally ill(scitzophernia), all you need to do is give them what "normal" kids take for granted: a safe environment and opprotuniites.
Very, very true - you took the words out of my mouth. It took me a long time to shake that stigma of being a 'troubled kid' and realize I was a normal kid who got put through the ringer.

The idea that kids  tormenting or imprisoned in some institution, completely isolating them from society and opprotunities, treating them like criminals who don't even deserve due process, is madness. Worse, it takes vulnerable kids and creates madness in them.[/quote]
Yeah, but doing so affords mansions and BMW's for the cocksuckers running these shitholes. And you can't front on that. We all need to get on  our knees and bow down to thy might dollar.

« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
What if it were a choice?
« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2007, 02:58:25 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
The idea that kids are being tormented or imprisoned in some institution, completely isolating them from society and opprotunities, treating them like criminals who don't even deserve due process, is madness. Worse, it takes vulnerable kids and creates madness in them.
[/size]
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
What if it were a choice?
« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2007, 03:04:09 PM »
Quote from: ""TheWho""
Quote
Kids don't always want to go to school. This situation is remedied by something called "parenting".


Yea!!  Somebody gets it!!  So if kids don’t always want to go to school then they need a parent to enforce the rules so that they do go to school… why?  Because they are not mature enough to make their own decisions yet.  Thereby concluding parenting is needed up until a certain age.
Now take a child that is not responding to the parenting, heading down the wrong path.  Schools and local services have proven not to be effective and after exhausting all local options the child is still at risk…

Question:
Will this child voluntarily check him/herself into a program?  Probably not.. so this situation is remedied by something called “parentingâ€
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
What if it were a choice?
« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2007, 03:06:07 PM »
Very, very true - you took the words out of my mouth. It took me a long time to shake that stigma of being a 'troubled kid' and realize I was a normal kid who got put through the ringer. [/b]

The idea that kids are tormented and imprisoned in some institution, completely isolating them from society and opprotunities, treating them like criminals who don't even deserve due process, is madness. Worse, it takes vulnerable kids and creates madness in them.[/quote]
Yeah, but doing so affords mansions and BMW's for the cocksuckers running these shitholes. And you can't front on that. We all need to get on  our knees and bow down to thy might dollar.
[/b][/quote]
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
What if it were a choice?
« Reply #40 on: December 31, 2007, 03:06:31 PM »
Very, very true - you took the words out of my mouth. It took me a long time to shake that stigma of being a 'troubled kid' and realize I was a normal kid who got put through the ringer. [/b]

The idea that kids are tormented and imprisoned in some institution, completely isolating them from society and opprotunities, treating them like criminals who don't even deserve due process, is madness. Worse, it takes vulnerable kids and creates madness in them.[/quote]
Yeah, but doing so affords mansions and BMW's for the cocksuckers running these shitholes. And you can't front on that. We all need to get on  our knees and bow down to thy might dollar.
[/b][/quote]
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
What if it were a choice?
« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2007, 03:07:42 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Very, very true - you took the words out of my mouth. It took me a long time to shake that stigma of being a 'troubled kid' and realize I was a normal kid who got put through the ringer. [/b]

The idea that kids are tormented and imprisoned in some institution, completely isolating them from society and opprotunities, treating them like criminals who don't even deserve due process, is madness. Worse, it takes vulnerable kids and creates madness in them.
Yeah, but doing so affords mansions and BMW's for the cocksuckers running these shitholes. And you can't front on that. We all need to get on  our knees and bow down to thy might dollar. [/size][/quote][/quote]
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
What if it were a choice?
« Reply #42 on: December 31, 2007, 03:09:25 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Guest""
The idea that kids are being tormented or imprisoned in some institution, completely isolating them from society and opprotunities, treating them like criminals who don't even deserve due process, is madness. Worse, it takes vulnerable kids and creates madness in them.
[/size]


thanks for correcting my typos hehe :P
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline TheWho

  • Posts: 7256
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
What if it were a choice?
« Reply #43 on: December 31, 2007, 03:24:00 PM »
Quote from: ""dishdutyfugitive""
all you need to do is give them what "normal" kids take for granted: a safe environment and opprotuniites.

exactly, thats what many of these programs do is get the child away from all the problems, provide them with a safe enviornment and give them opportunities to grow and get back on track.

Quote
The idea that kids  tormenting or imprisoned in some institution, completely isolating them from society and opprotunities, treating them like criminals who don't even deserve due process, is madness. Worse, it takes vulnerable kids and creates madness in them.


I think everyone would agree with this.  Any program which treats kids like criminals and/or tortures them should be shut down... it will only make things worse.  They need an enviornment which will raise their self esteem and make them feel safe.



...
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
What if it were a choice?
« Reply #44 on: December 31, 2007, 07:07:50 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""

it was such a good an accurate statement ... only someone who went through the program would know ... quite unlike thewho retard?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »