Holding parents accountable

[Nihilanthic]

Who is pulling this shit straight out of Kafka here  :rofl:

As far as the isolation long term placement etc. being abusive or ineffective you are going to have to show me some long term studies to support your position (something current) because there is a plathora of kids graduating eveyday that tell you that you are wrong and they are flooding the top schools in america...if this is what you call abuse or ineffective then I think most parents will embrace it..... the only thing you offer is a lifetime living on the streets with no education...

WOW. Seriously. That's... thats great. I want some of your fucking ganja there, buddy. You must be thinking with all kinds of portals tonight!

First of all, long term isolation and confinement is bad, and that's simply common sense. I'm not going to bark on command and find studies to back that up, because not everyone on the sidelines is a fucking idiot like you.

Secondly, you need to show some proof that a plathora[sic] of program kids are "flooding" the top schools of America, especially in light of how Ivy Ridge got its ass kicked somewhat recently in regards to their bullshit diplomas.

Thirdly, I've only seen evidence of shitty educations at programs, if any at all.

Fourthly, how am I offering a lifetime on the streets with no education? Did I ever say don't offer schooling or to keep them out of school? I said keep them out of programs! That would make it a lot easier to go to school!

 :rofl: You're like a pinyata. If you're hit long enough fun stuff comes out

[Antigen]

There was a national substance abuse policy in the US? What was it? Was it's ethos centred around harm minimization? Libertarianism? i am intrigued.

Yes, Oz girl. We had a spectacularly effective drug policy in this country from the time of its founding till the passage of the 1914 The Enemy Is Us: How to Defeat Drug Abuse and End the "War on Drugs"

[Antigen]

...until a clinical study is done you probably will not be convinced, and that is okay because it wont effect you personally.

Question       
Subject: Studies on "new religious movements"
Category: Miscellaneous
Asked by: qpet-ga
List Price: $40.00    Posted: 10 Feb 2003 14:48 PST
Expires: 12 Mar 2003 14:48 PST
Question ID: 159677

Are there any studies on "new religious movements" and "large group
awareness training", their impact on individuals lives and their
lasting effects?

Answer

[Antigen]

No wait! It's both!

I think Ginger you are mistaking my op for something different. I was comparing the lack of Nazis in Germany to the lack of parental responsibility in the program parent population.

After the war there wasn't but 2 nazis left in germany.

On fornits and the rest of the world how many parents have genuinely said, "I screwed up by not doing my very best to protect my child from a dangerous programme."

You just rarely see it.

Most of the time they claim brainwashing or bad advice. Now I can agree to some extent with you that their is a definite cultural trend amongst the American population that leads people to make some seriously absurd decisions regarding their children's welfare.

But that isn't brainwashing. That is blind acceptance of culture and to willingly be blind to the dangers that are out their for you child is parental neglect.

Nothing more nothing less.

Rarely seen at the Nuremberg trials too, but there were a very few occasions when the accused wept and begged to be put to death for their crimes. The usual human response, though, is somewhat different.

[TheWho]

First of all, long term isolation and confinement is bad, and that's simply common sense. I'm not going to bark on command and find studies to back that up, because not everyone on the sidelines is a fucking idiot like you.

Kids have been doing fine for centuries being confined to 1 room school houses, public school facilities, boarding schools….some of the worlds better scholars attended school away from home.

Secondly, you need to show some proof that a plathora[sic] of program kids are "flooding" the top schools of America, especially in light of how Ivy Ridge got its ass kicked somewhat recently in regards to their bullshit diplomas.

Well, I cant speak to Ivy ridge, but lets grab a TBS…say…. Academy at swift river… they have a record of 100% college acceptance into the students first and second choice of schools,  Here are few colleges that accepted ASR graduates:

Agnes Scott College, GA
Albion College, MI*
Alfred University, NY
Allegheny College, PA*
American Int College, MA
Arcadia Univ, Canada*
Arizona State University
Assumption College, MA*
Auburn University, AL
Bard College, NY*
Bates College, ME*
Berklee College of Music, MA*
Bloomsburg Univ, PA
Boston College, MA*
CA State Univ/Northridge
Carnegie Mellon Univ, PA*
Centre College, KY
Champlain College, VT*
Clark University, MA*
Colgate University, NY*
College of the Atlantic, ME*
Colorado State Univ, CO*
Connecticut College, CT
C.W. Post University, NY
Davis and Elkins, WV
Dean College, MA
Denison University, OH
Dickinson College, PA
Drexel University, PA*
Drury College, MO*
Earlham College, IN
Eckerd University, FL
Elmira College, NY*
Elms College, MA
Eugene Lang/New School    
University, NY*
Evergreen State, WA
Florida Atlantic Univ, FL*
Fordham University, NY*
Franklin & Marshall, PA
Franklin Pierce Coll, NH
Gannon University, PA
George Washington U, DC*
Green Mountain College, VT
Guilford College, NC   
Hampshire College, MA
Hartwick College, NY*
Hobart and William Smith, NY*
Hofstra University, NY*
Indiana University, IN
Iona University, NY*
Ithaca College, NY*
James Madison Univ, VA*
Johnson & Wales College, RI*
Juniata College, PA
Kenyon College, OH
Lawrence University, WI
Lewis & Clark, OR
Lynn University, FL*
Manhattanville College, NY
Marist College, NY
Marlboro College, VT*
Maryland Institute of Art, MD
Marymount College, CA*
Menlo College, CA
Mercyhurst College, PA
Millersville University, PA
Millsaps College, MS
Stetson University, FL*
Syracuse University, NY*
Temple University, PA
Union College, NY*
University of Arizona
Univ of CA, San Diego*
Univ of CA, Santa Barbara
Univ of Colorado, CO*
University of Connecticut
University of Denver, CO*
University of Hartford, CT
University of Massachusetts*
Univ of New Hampshire*
Univ of Northern Arizona
University of North Florida
University of Pittsburgh
Univ of Puget Sound, WA
Univ of Redlands, CA*
Univ of Rhode Island, RI
Univ of Rochester, NY*
University of South Florida
University of Texas (Austin)*
University of Vermont*
Ursinus College, PA*
Valparaiso University, IN*
Villa Julie College, MD
Warren Wilson Univ, NC
Washington College, MD
Washington & Jefferson, PA*
Westchester University, PA
Wheelock College, MA
Wheaton College, MA*
Whitman College, WA*
Whittier College, CA
Willamette University, OR
Wilson College, PA
Wittenberg University

But wait a minute, based on your definition, wouldn’t sending a child to an institution of higher learning be even further abusive?  Guess we should nail down the definition a little better.

Thirdly, I've only seen evidence of shitty educations at programs, if any at all

Well, there you go, happy to clear up that misconception.

Fourthly, how am I offering a lifetime on the streets with no education? Did I ever say don't offer schooling or to keep them out of school? I said keep them out of programs! That would make it a lot easier to go to school!

Many times that is the choice, if the child isn’t attending school because of issues they are having or refuse to go.




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[Che Gookin]

No wait! It's both!

I think Ginger you are mistaking my op for something different. I was comparing the lack of Nazis in Germany to the lack of parental responsibility in the program parent population.

After the war there wasn't but 2 nazis left in germany.

On fornits and the rest of the world how many parents have genuinely said, "I screwed up by not doing my very best to protect my child from a dangerous programme."

You just rarely see it.

Most of the time they claim brainwashing or bad advice. Now I can agree to some extent with you that their is a definite cultural trend amongst the American population that leads people to make some seriously absurd decisions regarding their children's welfare.

But that isn't brainwashing. That is blind acceptance of culture and to willingly be blind to the dangers that are out their for you child is parental neglect.

Nothing more nothing less.

Rarely seen at the Nuremberg trials too, but there were a very few occasions when the accused wept and begged to be put to death for their crimes. The usual human response, though, is somewhat different.

You are so right the usual human response is to avoid taking some responsibility for your screw ups. For example, the majority of the parents I dealt with over four years clearly were the problem. Their children were the victims of their total lack of parenting skills. As a result of this poor parenting these kids are punished, and with a good percentage of those parents taking a measure of joy from the thought that their kids are being punished, by shipping them off to a duckfarm.

What is the end result? The parents have been spinning it away on their children, the programme, or the tooth fairy.

Well guess what...

To hell with the parents they are for the most part complete losers anyway.

[Anonymous]

SHITHEAD Parent Manifesto:

Parents I will only be nice to you to help win your child free of whatever program you incarcerated them in.

Parents I will only continue to be nice if you refrain from sending your child to a second programme and apologize to your child for his or her wrongful incarceration.

Parents I will only be nice if you take it upon yourself to address your total lack of parenting skills which more than likely resulted in your child's struggles in the first place.

Parents I will no longer fall for this flimsy excuse of you claiming brain-washing. Brain-washing is an unwilling process that involves a great deal more than just a few phone calls and seminars. In all reality what you experienced is your own sadism, gullibility, or ignorance.

Some of you parents have taken it upon yourselves to break your kids free of the programmes in a very short span of time and have admitted your mistakes. My hat goes off to you and you will retain my good will.

The rest of you parent let it be known that from this day forward I now fully support any legislation that calls for the charging of parents for child abuse for sending your child to an abusive programme.

what is so bad about this anyway? Given some of the crap on fornits this comes across as fairly reasonable. I guess some of these parents need to learn to read a little better.

[TheWho]

SHITHEAD Parent Manifesto:

Parents I will only be nice to you to help win your child free of whatever program you incarcerated them in.

Parents I will only continue to be nice if you refrain from sending your child to a second programme and apologize to your child for his or her wrongful incarceration.

Parents I will only be nice if you take it upon yourself to address your total lack of parenting skills which more than likely resulted in your child's struggles in the first place.

Parents I will no longer fall for this flimsy excuse of you claiming brain-washing. Brain-washing is an unwilling process that involves a great deal more than just a few phone calls and seminars. In all reality what you experienced is your own sadism, gullibility, or ignorance.

Some of you parents have taken it upon yourselves to break your kids free of the programmes in a very short span of time and have admitted your mistakes. My hat goes off to you and you will retain my good will.

The rest of you parent let it be known that from this day forward I now fully support any legislation that calls for the charging of parents for child abuse for sending your child to an abusive programme.

what is so bad about this anyway? Given some of the crap on fornits this comes across as fairly reasonable. I guess some of these kids just need to learn to read a little better.

SHITHEAD Kids Manifesto:

Children I will always be nice to you to help get yourself free of whatever trouble you get yourself into

Child I will always continue to be nice if you refrain from self destruction.

Children I will only be nice if you take it upon yourself to address your total lack of disrespect for yourself and your family which more than likely resulted in your separating yourself from your family.

Child I will no longer fall for this flimsy excuse of you claiming abuse. Abuse involves a great deal more than just a losing a few phone calls and attending seminars. In all reality what you experienced is your own sadism, gullibility, or ignorance.

Some of you kids have taken it upon yourselves to apply yourselves to the programs in a very short span of time and have admitted your mistakes. My hat goes off to you and you will retain my good will.

The rest of you kids let it be known that from this day forward I now fully support any legislation that calls for the mandatory protection of the family unit as a whole and any one member who threatens the viability of the family unit will have to be dealt with separately from the rest of the family in an attempt to bring the family back together.

what is so bad about this anyway? Given some of the crap on fornits this comes across as fairly reasonable. I guess some of these kids just need to learn to read a little better.

[Pitbull Mom]

Well whenever the who sounds in I know I'm on the right track.

Congrats Pitbull Mom and Buzzkill you both fail horridly based on association via the who.

I have absolutely no association with The Who.

[Anonymous]

If the kids are fucked up, you can bet it was because the parents are fucked up worse. Any parent that sends their kid off to one of these therapeutic boarding schools or residential therapeutic facilities is admitting that they, as a parent, are fucked up big time and do not deserve to be allowed to be parents.

Every parent who sends their kid off to a therapeutic boarding school should be charged with child endangerment and child abuse. If the kid is fucked up, the parents did it. You can bank on that.  If the kid isn't fucked up, as happens all to often in divorce custody disputes, the parent sending the kid to one of these programs should be staked out over a den of ants after having had every bone in their body broken with a hammer.

[Anonymous]

Good point. Sending your kid off to a therapeutic boarding school is admitting that you have either neglected or abused your child. It should be indisputable evidence of child abuse or neglect.

[TheWho]

If the kids are fucked up, you can bet it was because the parents are fucked up worse. Any parent that sends their kid off to one of these therapeutic boarding schools or residential therapeutic facilities is admitting that they, as a parent, are fucked up big time and do not deserve to be allowed to be parents.

Every parent who sends their kid off to a therapeutic boarding school should be charged with child endangerment and child abuse. If the kid is fucked up, the parents did it. You can bank on that.  If the kid isn't fucked up, as happens all to often in divorce custody disputes, the parent sending the kid to one of these programs should be staked out over a den of ants after having had every bone in their body broken with a hammer.

If the parents are fucked up, you can bet it was because the kids are fucked up worse. Any kid that needs to go to one of these therapeutic boarding schools or residential therapeutic facilities is admitting that they, as a child, are fucked up big time and do not deserve to be allowed to be part of the family.

Every kid who goes off to a therapeutic boarding school should be charged with family endangerment and abuse. If the parent is fucked up, the kids did it. You can bank on that. If the parent isn't fucked up, as happens all to often in stable families where the kids abide by family rules, the kid who refuses to attend one of these programs should be staked out over a den of ants after having had every bone in their body broken with a hammer.

[Anonymous]

Parody or not, the above is actually what these people believe.

This man wants control of your children, etc.

[Anonymous]

I hope you people who are harshly judging parents will remember when you too are a parent how it feels to be afraid for your kids safety.  For their future.  Parents are only people too.

Most parents love their children more thanthey love  themselves.Maybe not all,most do.
 
Please be forgiving.  You will know what its like someday. One day the kid is happy ,the next he's failing school, smoking crack and looking zoned out. Scary!

Hopefully you do a better job than I did. We do learn from our mistakes.

I agree Programs are NOT the answer. Who knew!

[Anonymous]

I hope you people who are harshly judging parents will remember when you too are a parent how it feels to be afraid for your kids safety.  For their future.  Parents are only people too.

Most parents love their children more thanthey love  themselves.Maybe not all,most do.
 
Please be forgiving.  You will know what its like someday. One day the kid is happy ,the next he's failing school, smoking crack and looking zoned out. Scary!

Hopefully you do a better job than I did. We do learn from our mistakes.

I agree Programs are NOT the answer. Who knew!