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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Guest on October 01, 2007, 05:42:47 PM
Title: GAO Hearing???
Post by: Guest on October 01, 2007, 05:42:47 PM
Wasn't there supposed to be a hearing in September? For victims, survivors to testify before the committee?
Title: GAO Hearing???
Post by: Che Gookin on October 01, 2007, 06:31:25 PM
There was talk of one but I believe that was an error due to miscommunication, deliberate or otherwise, on the part of Craptey.
Title: CAFETY buggers the pooch
Post by: CAFETY Weasel on October 01, 2007, 09:53:58 PM
Quote from: "Wandering Waygookin"
There was talk of one but I believe that was an error due to miscommunication, deliberate or otherwise, on the part of Craptey.
I think I've heard the same twisted tale The Wandering One has...the GAO met with a group of advocates and parents who lost their kids in programs. The GAO wanted their involvement kept on the down low so they wouldn't alert every piece of program trash to their actions.
The news of the GAO involvement made it to CAFETY, and someone couldn't control their hole and splashed the news across the CAFETY home page. Let's see, what board member of CAFETY is weasel-like, whiny, and given to acting and speaking before his brain is even in gear? Yeah, it could be more than one... if I were betting the kids' college funds, I'd put the wad down on Lombrowski.
The result of CAFETY making the GAO activities public resulted in them being flooded with people and stories. Only two investigators were supposed to handle the job, but they were overrun.
Late September has changed to late October, and I imagine the GAO is having to weed through NATSAP and ST cretins trying to botch the works by calling over and over with the same story, slightly altered each time, of little Bocephus or Irma Lou being saved from whoring, sucking that glass dick, stripping, jail and/or death and the Eternal Lake of Fire.
Thanks, CAFETY. You got the scoop, alright. Who's side are you guys on, anyway? Let Blombro screw a program counselor and he'll forget his name and purpose. Not surprising.
Title: GAO Hearing???
Post by: Guest on October 03, 2007, 07:29:00 AM
http://edworkforce.house.gov/committee/schedule.shtmlApparently, the hearing itself was kept under wraps to everyone....this just hit the congressional committee page recently.
Title: GAO Hearing???
Post by: Guest on October 03, 2007, 07:40:48 AM
I think they have a select list of victims to testify and these people have already been notified. Still, why not give people more notice so if they wanted to attend the hearing they could at least shop around for affordable airfare and hotel rates? 7 days notice is really pathetic, IMO.
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Title: GAO Hearing???
Post by: Guest on October 03, 2007, 09:36:26 AM
Wow, sounds rather subversive to me, I sure hope this isn't going to come down to special interest groups or individuals with ties to groups like Cafety or A Start. Be interesting to see who the GAO recommended testify before this committee.
Anybody planning to attend the hearings or protest agains Uncle Sam for allowing this industry to exist in the first place? Come on - it is not like people haven't been knocking on Congress's door for years - this crap goes back more than 3 decades. If I don't see any Straight or KHK, The Seed, etc. survivors on the list of people to testify, I won't be too surprised given the implications of their testimony which would clearly point a finger at our own government, not just WWASPS, Aspen, etc.
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Title: GAO Hearing???
Post by: Guest on October 03, 2007, 11:03:43 AM
looks like we're hearing about it the same time as cafety...so doesn't look like they had any insider info on it either. don't even think it's on their site yet.
Title: GAO Hearing???
Post by: Guest on October 03, 2007, 05:09:12 PM
I sent email to C-span and brian lamb to let him know and maybe they will cover it on washington journal that morning and put it on their cspan network if enough people show interest.
Title: GAO Hearing???
Post by: Guest on October 03, 2007, 07:20:34 PM
Where can I get a list of the people testifying or is the Committee going to keep that a secret? If so, why? I thought this was America. You know, goverment for and by the people?
Title: GAO Hearing???
Post by: SettleForNothingLess on October 03, 2007, 07:34:37 PM
My view on this is that Cafety either consciously or subconsciously got wind of something involving the GAo and went gung ho posting it... I dont believe the government is going to listen to us... I dont have much faith in our government... not getting started with political views here... just please dont get hopes too high. you can always hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. I doubt this is going to happen. Maybe I will be proved wrong, but thats my personal view.
Title: GAO Hearing???
Post by: Che Gookin on October 04, 2007, 01:25:45 AM
Quote from: "Guest"
Where can I get a list of the people testifying or is the Committee going to keep that a secret? If so, why? I thought this was America. You know, goverment for and by the people?
This morning when I checked the Committee page for G. Miller's Education and whatnot committee it appeared that the witness list hadn't been completely decided yet or in other words it is to be announced(TBA).
I believe they will end up doing a representative sample of the industry. Meaning they will have some survivors and they will have some industry reps. More than likely we will end up seeing some of those NATSAP shills saying their piece.
Of course I'll go on record and say that no doubt my advice to host a summary execution of any industry representative is likely to receive little attention.
Title: GAO HEarings
Post by: Guest on October 04, 2007, 08:15:39 AM
I thought I was going to be asked to testify, but was not called as a witness. Seems like there should be some way for the nonchosen to speak up. I feel like some of us are being SILENCED.
We need a voice so we can ALL be heard.
Title: GAO Hearing???
Post by: Guest on October 04, 2007, 08:18:25 AM
dog and pony show anyone??
Title: GAO Hearing???
Post by: TheWho on October 04, 2007, 09:18:09 AM
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More than likely we will end up seeing some of those NATSAP shills saying their piece.
I believe Thayer Learning center is a "Military boot camp"...... NATSAP would come out to support their own members maybe or even non members, but they would need to be therapeutic schools or programs.
I dont believe Thayer is associated with NATSAP.
Title: GAO Hearing???
Post by: Guest on October 04, 2007, 09:38:54 AM
What? There's actually something you don't KNOW, Mr. Who?
I'm shocked!
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I dont believe Thayer is associated with NATSAP
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Title: GAO Hearing???
Post by: TheWho on October 04, 2007, 09:56:48 AM
Quote from: "Guest"
What? There's actually something you don't KNOW, Mr. Who?
I'm shocked!
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I dont believe Thayer is associated with NATSAP
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Ha,Ha, Thanks for the compliment, but you would be surprised...I struggle so much with trying to resolve problems on my computer, I usually end up having my nephew stop over to clean up my mess and get me going again. But I am getting better at it.
Anyway, I checked and Thayer is a "Military boot camp" which is not associated with NATSAP.
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Title: GAO Hearing???
Post by: Mummie on October 04, 2007, 01:17:39 PM
WW
Does G. Miller's page show the hearing date? Thanks in advance.
Title: GAO HEarings - forum to be heard
Post by: Pitbull Mom on October 04, 2007, 04:28:31 PM
I was not asked to testify. So I've been looking for another way to be heard at the hearing about my son's death from medical negligence. I just stumbled on this page where you can share your story and have it made part of the record for the hearing. Apparently NATSAP, according to a fornits post I read, has collected many letters from people supporting their programs. This wiki is a grass roots effort started by someone named Allison Pinto to offset NATSAP'S effort. I'm including some of the Wiki here, check it out and post your story for Congress.
http://endinstitutionalabuse.wikispaces.comThis wiki is a virtual grass roots effort to organize and speak out. We've got less than a week...
On October 10, 2007, the Committee on Education and Labor will be holding a hearing in Congress entitled, "Cases of Child Neglect and Abuse at Private Residential Treatment Facilities."
There will be an opportunity for the presentation of written personal accounts and position statements regarding issues of mistreatment, abuse and neglect in private residential programs, to be submitted for the record. If you would like to submit a statement, letter or story to Congress, please click on the "discussion" tab above and post your letter or story.
Please note that this wikispaces site is a public site, so it is visible to anyone and everyone. Be careful to include only that information that you are comfortable sharing in the public domain.
Also, please recognize that wiki technology makes it possible for individuals to respond to one another's contributions. If you choose to respond to someone else's post, please maintain a respectful stance that honors the inherent dignity of that individual.
Title: GAO Hearing???
Post by: Guest on October 04, 2007, 05:00:42 PM
That is Allison Pinto, A START, and Cafety, I think. Two orgs with dubious agendas, from what I gather. Don't forget, it's not all about the parents. They aren't the ones being institutionalized. They are the ones paying for it.
Title: GAO Hearing???
Post by: Guest on October 04, 2007, 05:29:28 PM
You can also send your letters direct to Congressman Miller or the Committee, you DO NOT NEED to go through A START or CAFETY or any third person.
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Title: GAO Hearing???
Post by: Guest on October 04, 2007, 05:45:03 PM
Quote from: "Guest"
That is Allison Pinto, A START, and Cafety, I think. Two orgs with dubious agendas, from what I gather. Don't forget, it's not all about the parents. They aren't the ones being institutionalized. They are the ones paying for it.
Why is it people are always try to label everyone (i.e. the ones paying for it, the ones going to school). If a child needs to go to the dentist to get a tooth repaired it is not the parents who are going to be in pain although most parents wish they could trade places. It is also not the kids who are paying for it, for obvious reasons. So why is it that it seems to be such a big deal when it comes to therapy? We always hear comments: “Oh, the parents just pay for it while the kid has to go to schoolâ€
