Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
New York Times Executives Resign
Carey:
You are right, it does seem that WWASP targets only those who are in competition with them. But then, that makes sense.
When they target others who do what they do because of slander, they can make an argument in thier favor, the argument being that their competitors want their business.
However, when they go up against the reality of right and wrong, pure and simple, or when they go up against those who are standing up for others who are not able to stand up for themselves, then they don't stand a fighting chance.
It is really sad to see children's lives being bought and sold like a product in this for profit industry.
Anonymous:
Question: If parents are told that *all* accounts of abuse are manipulation, how can true accounts of abuse be verified?
Answer: They can't be-- which is why a system that calls all accounts of abuse manipulation is inherently abusive.
Genuinely good care for children or anyone else who is less powerful than those running the system must be *accountable* -- there must be a system for evaluating abuse claims that is independent of those who would like to stifle all of them because that suits their financial interests.
This is why hospitals have a patient ombudsman or patient advocate. THey recognize that patients are less powerful and less likely to be believed than physicians and that it is often in the physicians' interest to downplay genuine patient complaints. This is also why regulation is needed and why centers which seek to avoid regulation are inherently suspect.
This is also why jails allow private communication between lawyers and inmates and uncensored contact with the press. It is why there are civilian complaint review boards to monitor police. It is why there are numerous picky regulations for the care of the mentally ill and the disabled.
If you were a sadistic pedophile, what better place to work than one which says that all kids are liars, that all accounts of abuse are manipulation and that parents should never believe their own children? You could do whatever you wanted with total impunity because any time a kid complains, it would never be believed.
A normal standard for checking kids' stories is that they are similar with each other-- when you've got several witnesses giving the same account, that generally implies that it is true, especially when they have never met or spoken with each other previously. But WWASP tries to say this means the kids' have a huge secret conspiracy to make up the same stories to get sent home.
Why do parents who spend their whole lives teaching their kids not to speak to strangers and worrying that a sex offender may live next door suddenly believe that people who work with kids with no regulation and no checks on their power are inherently more trustworthy than their own children?
Antigen:
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"One might also note that WWASP is *not* suing the New York Times. To my knowledge, they never sued the Rocky Mountain News or any other major news organization that has written negative stories about them. They have, however, gone after small websites which don't have the resources to fight back. This suggests that they recognize that the law is not on their side if it's a fair fight between orgs with equally deep pockets."
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Oh yeah, I'm not sure if or how WWASP(S) is or was affiliated with the Catherine Freer program, but one of their reps tried to get me to pull a copy of a printed article because, they said, the article containted some inaccuracy. I told them to sue the paper if they think they have a claim or that I'd do a little research and add a note clarifying the info in question. I think it had to do with one of those routine shuffling of the staff they do when the shit hits the fan. Well, needless to say, they backed off.
All our liberties are due to men who, when their conscience has compelled them, have broken the laws of the land.
--William Kingdon Clifford
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Antigen:
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"Question: If parents are told that *all* accounts of abuse are manipulation, how can true accounts of abuse be verified?
Answer: They can't be-- which is why a system that calls all accounts of abuse manipulation is inherently abusive.
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Why do parents who spend their whole lives teaching their kids not to speak to strangers and worrying that a sex offender may live next door suddenly believe that people who work with kids with no regulation and no checks on their power are inherently more trustworthy than their own children?
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Damn! Talk about hitting the nail on the head!
BTW, if WWASP has been processing about 2k kids a year through it's network for the past 7 years, then there should be around 14k happy young adult graduates who will step up and counter the claims of abuse, right? So then... how come it's always the parents getting all bent out of shape and making absurd claims in the shrillest of tones and based on the most tortured logic, just to try and keep believing they're the good guys?
It's enough to make you stop and wonder at the mighty awsome power of self delusion.
Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense
--Buddha
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spots:
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On 2003-06-06 11:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous, you said: "Spots. I'm sorry you feel your grand daughter is being abused in some way...Does your granddaughter WANT to be rescued?"
How would I know? All communication coming and going is edited. I read between the lines of the 30% of what she wrote us that made it through, and, yes...she wants out...and no, not because she's a little shit who objects to any rules. This is a hateful environment, meant to terrify adolescents into complete submission.
You said: "Freedom of speech."
You enjoy freedom of speech. WWASP internees do not. This is a basic right, and not to be suspended even if your kid refused to come home from school when he was supposed to, or decided to rebel and fail his sophomore year.
You said: "...Mr. Weiner's... unprofessionalism in not researching another side of the story before writing it."
He did research it, very thoroughly. I know he traveled all over Mexico for more than 4 weeks, and devoted nearly full time to this article. In fact, he did include some quotes from "satisfied" participants.
You said: "the abuse of power (was) from a local government official" INFORMING AMERICAN CITIZENS OF THEIR RIGHTS CONCERNING FALSE IMPRISONMENT?
You said: "The abuse was not from staff, but from the 30 students who trashed the place". TRASHING THE PLACE DOES NOT FALL UNDER MY DEFINITION OF ABUSE.
You said: The abuse came from a former director who was asked to leave or be fired for her incompetence. YOU HAVE ALREADY SUGGESTED YOUR RESEARCH ON THIS ISSUE IS SHALLOW. READ AMERBLY KNIGHT'S LETTER IN ITS ENTIRETY. SHE WAS NOT INCOMPETENT; SHE WAS FRUSTRATED THAT HER ATTEMPTS AT REFORM WERE THWARTED. SHE WAS REPLACED AS DIRECTOR BY THE 26YO SON OF A WWASP ORIGINAL INVESTOR WITH AN ECONOMICS DEGREE FROM BYU.
You said: "Very FEW parents choose a specialty boarding school first. Like me, they may have tried counseling, parenting classes, scare tactics (visiting a juvenile center), attempted to talk with them, given them our love, sent them to relatives for a change of environment....plus much more, and nothing worked or got worse." WRONG. WWASP PARENTS SEEM TO TAKE ACTION SOONER, WITHOUT THE HORRENDOUSLY DRAINING AND EXPENSIVE VISITS TO FACILITIES, ED CONSULTANTS, 1000'S OF DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES CONSIDERED. ALL RESIDENTIAL TREATMENT CENTERS ARE A CRAP-SHOOT, BUT LOOKING INTO CREDENTIALS, MEETING "THE REAL STAFF" YOUR KID WILL LIVE UNDER, TALKING WITH OTHER STUDENTS, PHONING YOUR KID NO MORE THAN 2 WEEKS INTO A PROGRAM, WORKING ON THE WHOLE FAMILY *AS A WHOLE FAMILY*, NOT IN DIFFERENT CANNED SEMINARS..IS IMPERATIVE. AS A PSYCHIATRIST WAS QUOTED IN THE NYT ARTICLE, TOO MANY PARENTS TAKE MORE CARE SELECTING A NEW CAR THAN A NEW HOME FOR THEIR CHILDREN.
You said: "The reason I chose a WWASP program was because it's based on results, not time,...A FUNDAMENTAL CONCEPT, MEANING THE ENDS JUSTIFY THE MEANS? "...with a positive peer culture." AM I NOT CORRECT IN ASSUMING THE DAILY "GROUP" IS A CIRCLE WHEREIN EACH KID READS DEEP SECRET THOUGHTS WRITTEN THE NIGHT BEFORE AND THE OTHER DYSFUNCTIONAL KIDS GET TO TEAR IT APART?
My family is successful, and it's been a couple of years since my kid has been home. I AM TRULY GLAD YOU HAVE HAD SUCCESS.
...Oh, and I'm going to owe Ginger $$$ for bandwidth VBG. I'll never change this mother's mind, but I need to vent. If it were just the adult's differing opinion...too bad the kids suffer in the process.
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