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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2007, 04:22:31 PM »
What did you expect?  It's all part of the same, sick industry.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?ti ... ur_Society

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Save Our Society is a anti-drug legislation lobbying group founded by Drug Free America Foundation co-founders Betty Sembler and Calvina L. Fay in response to the victory of drug legalization and medical marijuana referendums in various states.
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In response to legislation called Truth in Trials Act, which would establish a medical marijuana defense in accordance with the laws of states that allow it, Save Our Society has propagated demonstrably false information.[1]

The Food and Drug Administration and medical community decide on questions of medicine – not special interest groups, not individuals and never public opinion. Modern medicine relies on proven scientific research, not votes. All major American health organizations in this country have rejected smoked marijuana as medicine. We cannot allow a legal loophole for those arrested in conjunction with marijuana. [2]

In fact, a number of prominent health organizations, including Health Canada, Canada's equivalent to the Department of Health and Human Services, as well as various state medical boards, have come out in support of medical marijuana.[3]

The statement that only the FDA regulates medicines is disingenuous at best, duplicitous at worst. While the FDA approves drugs, if deemed to contain a controlled substance, their distribution and subsequent drug schedule are decided by the DEA, not by anyone involved in practicing medicine. It also ignores the fact that in states where medical marijuana is legal, it is necessary to obtain a doctors recommendation in order to obtain it, meaning the abuse or misuse of recommendations falls solely on the backs of doctors, just like the abuse of legal painkillers such as Oxycontin or Vicodin.
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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2007, 04:31:34 PM »
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Mrs. Sembler is Founder of the Drug-Free America Foundation. Since 1976 when she was one of ten founding members of Straight, Inc., Ms. Sembler has dedicated her time to fighting the war on drugs. She is founder and president of S.O.S., Save Our Society from Drugs whose mission is to defeat efforts to legalize Schedule 1 drugs. She has served her country as the wife of the U.S. Ambassador to Australia and Italy.
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2007, 04:47:13 PM »
Are you opposed to a drug free America?

C'mon, tell me you don't think it's healthy for people to take drugs?  :-?
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2007, 04:50:45 PM »
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Are you opposed to a drug free America?

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C'mon, tell me you don't think it's healthy for people to take drugs?  :-?


I think its perfectly healthy for people to seek out and consume drugs.  


Howzat?
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2007, 04:58:21 PM »
Drugs are drugs.  Slap a label on it and sell it at the local RX, or get it off the street, it's all just a matter of a pretty little package and the words "legal" and "illegal".

Frankly I don't care for pot, but when faced with severe pain, you can hand me a Morphine any day, and no matter how you slice it, I am still taking drugs.

Some of these drugs, which some people would like to keep illegal, have been being used in prescription drugs for years.  

It all comes down to money.  If it's illegal, the drug companies, government, and insurance companies aren't getting their cut.

Can you give me a better argument?  

Just because it came in a bottle, approved by the FDA, prescribed by the doctor, distributed by the RX, doesn't mean I can still get into my car and drive on it.  How many people would you venture to guess are out on the roads every day, higher than a kite on prescribed drugs?  And who do "you" think those people are?  Your friends, neighbors, sisters, brothers?  Hmmm
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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2007, 11:37:18 PM »
you cant patent a weed. thats part of DuPont's original reason to regulate it, and half the reason it's still illegal.

you can get marinol and soon maybe even sativex. it's all legal weed products. but, as everyone who's compared them to the real thing, they are overpowering and useless, and everyone knows that the people making those drugs, along with hundreds of other drugs will be out of bussiiness quick. it's common medical knowledge that marijuana is practically a cure-all. aside from all the benificial effects it has on cancer, aids, glaucoma, etc. patients, it also works great for killing headaches, motion sickness, gastrointestinal distress, a sleep aid and anxiety remedy, and also works wonders for arthiritis, back pain, diabetes and diabetes related pain, PTSD, depression, you name it and the good weed can probably help. marijuana, if legalized, would take 90% of our pharmecuticals off the shelves, people will simply stop buying them.

take for example Asprin. for millions of years, people have used various species of willow tree for a variety of uses, it's active ingredient being Salicylic acid. this natural form of asprin's only known side effect besides from overdose is minor digestive discomfort. the willow tree, and therefore slicylic acid are not patentable, therefore no one can really make much money off of it. it's a natural product, people can get it in their backyard. lo and behold, in the 19th century some guys working for bayer figured out that if you change salicylic acid into acetylsalicylic acid you can patent it, and make money off of it. the goverment aproved this, because it will generate more money "for the greater good", even though acetylsalicylic acid had a much higher side-effect profile than it's natural cousin - it cause reyes syndrome, platlet depletion, kidney problems, and a much much lower l.d.-50 to boot.

personally, i trust mother nature much more than some scientist in a lab. nature has a much better track record, by far. in fact, it nature's genius makes humans look like blundering idiots - which we all in fact are.
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« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2007, 12:29:23 AM »
Then why do I get the impression that society is still dragging its feet or just apathetic about getting mj legalized? Are people just too stoned to give a fuck if it's legal or not? Or maybe people are making efforts, but there's just too damn much resistance and opposition?

I've known about LEAP for a while now (people have been posting that link on here for years.) Why can't the judges and cops who are active within that organization and in favor of decriminalizing drugs get anywhere and get these stupid fucking laws changed? What's going on? I'd like to see it legal in every goddam state of the union, especially mine!
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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2007, 12:37:41 AM »
Hmm.. I see someone recently posted something interesting on this topic:

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=280985#280985
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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2007, 10:10:14 AM »
I'm guessing the not making weed legal is down to the studies linking it to mental health issues later on in life? (Don't shout "propoganda" at me, it's a fact we all know it)

I do know that in the UK driving under the influence of drugs is on the rise, its becoming a real problem, lots of accidents happen because of....that doesn't just mean street drugs, also valium, prozacs, anti depresants etc ... does that mean more people are getting caught, or the doctors don't have resources anymore to send ppl for therapy so are handing out mothers little helpers more and more often? i don't know, but I sure as hell would end up in jail if someone under the influence of anything hit my kid with a car.
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« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2007, 10:17:17 AM »
That sounds worse than exhausted!!
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« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2007, 10:20:14 AM »
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I'm guessing the not making weed legal is down to the studies linking it to mental health issues later on in life? (Don't shout "propoganda" at me, it's a fact we all know it)

I do know that in the UK driving under the influence of drugs is on the rise, its becoming a real problem, lots of accidents happen because of....that doesn't just mean street drugs, also valium, prozacs, anti depresants etc ... does that mean more people are getting caught, or the doctors don't have resources anymore to send ppl for therapy so are handing out mothers little helpers more and more often? i don't know, but I sure as hell would end up in jail if someone under the influence of anything hit my kid with a car.

So don't drive while you're high..?

What mental issues later in life? Ok, what about alcohol??
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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2007, 10:56:20 AM »
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I'm guessing the not making weed legal is down to the studies linking it to mental health issues later on in life? (Don't shout "propoganda" at me, it's a fact we all know it)

I do know that in the UK driving under the influence of drugs is on the rise, its becoming a real problem, lots of accidents happen because of....that doesn't just mean street drugs, also valium, prozacs, anti depresants etc ... does that mean more people are getting caught, or the doctors don't have resources anymore to send ppl for therapy so are handing out mothers little helpers more and more often? i don't know, but I sure as hell would end up in jail if someone under the influence of anything hit my kid with a car.


PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


OK now that i've done that.  You mentioned it's a FACT that weed causes mental health ISSUES. If it were a fact then it would be concerning specfic mental health issues. Not just "issues".  So please do present your facts otherwise you are just SPOUTING Propaganda.
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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2007, 11:00:55 AM »
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4286435.stm


That's HORRIBLE! we should outlaw marijuana IMMEDIATELY! OMG!  :evil:  :evil:
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