In reference to your note on the internet asking for information about abuses inflicted by the state of Florida. I assure you without any question whatsoever, some of the people running those state schools for boys were sadistic bastards. They most certainly did torture kids systematically. They beat kids much worse in the Florida School for Boys at Okeechobee than at Marianna. I was present at many beatings at Okeechobee. They beat kids to bloody pulp. I mean that literally. Frank Zitch, Donald Johns, and Emmet B. Davis really seemed to enjoy their blood sport. In the mid sixties the beatings in Marianna were child’s play compared to the bloody torture going on in Okeechobee. I knew quite a few guys who were beaten in Marianna around the mid sixties. It was mild and light compared to the ferocious, sadistic torture meted out in Okeechobee.
I was there when frank Zitch was being interviewed by a woman who identified herself as a reporter from some newspaper; I think it might have been the Palm Beach Post. I heard the questions she asked. I was right there. I heard the answers he gave. Zitch was lying through his goddamn teeth. The state put Tidwell, the one armed man, in Marianna, and Zitch, the one legged man, in Okeechobee. John Howard was a cottage father in Marianna some time around 1965-66-67. He was a kindly man. Mr. Tidwell did not seem to be sadistic to me. He seemed friendly, but then again, he may have been very bad with others. We know he beat people. No question about that.
In the town I was from, government and police had peculiar ways of enforcing the law. For example, numerous crimes, misdemeanors and felonies, were committed against me by serial adult-felons living in the community. When I went to the so-called authorities to report the crimes, they simply failed and refused to function; they did nothing about it. I remembr clearly going to police and authorities with legitimate complaints, and getting answers like “tough shit,” “that’s too bad,” “that’s your problem,” and “things are tough all over.”This kind of thing went on for years. However, if I did anything wrong, they swung right into action–against me. The system was either incompetent, corrupt, or both. Some people in the state system, and some in the local systems were not there to help children. They were definitely there to hurt children. They were there for themselves because they were too low-grade to get better jobs anywhere else.
I read the part on the web page that said black kids were beaten worse than white kids. When it comes to Marianna, I cannot substantiate that statement. Blacks and whites were segregated. However, in Okeechobee they tortured both blacks and whites in the same room in the so-called adjustment unit. The blacks definitely got more whacks and harder whacks; this was true in general, but not always. I counted the number of lashes kids received many many times. They even tortured mentally disabled children who should not have been there to begin with. In those days in FSBO, if a kid got twenty-five whacks it was favoritism. I know some got sixty whacks and more. Some got 100 lashes and more, believe it or not. I mean what to hell. I was there. The state should be investigated; it should also be attacked.
You may think my version of going to the law and being refused the service is an exaggeration, but consider these facts in more recent times. This may seem improbable to you, but I assure you without any question whatsoever, it is true. I was working in a college in South Korea in 1997 when I obtained detailed information about the-then coming attacks of September 11, 2001. From 1997 and up to and through the night of 10 september 2001 I told about 130 people about these attacks. Many times I named the exact targets, the commandeered, fuel-laden aircraft, people from Saudi Arabia, and the approximate time of the attacks. In 1998 I told Danny Carey of the Martin County Sheriff’s Department in detail. No follow-up. No investigation. No nothing I know of. In early 2001 I told a Mr. Osborne of the DOC, in detail. He twirls his finger in the air and says, “Sure, and I suppose they are flying around here right now.” No follow-up. In early 2001 I called 911 in Stuart and told them of a terrorist or guerrilla presence in the area, that they were planning attacks, and using airplanes. The night of September 10, 2001 I called some number in Fort Pierce; it was some bold print, seven digit number on the inside front cover of the phone book. I warned of a major terrorist attack coming “very soon.” I will admit, this guy really was digging for more information. I did not mention details as I had in other warnings. I reported these coming attacks openly in three countries to law enforcement people, experienced, educated people, not some rookie on the beat.
In late 2000 I was in e-mail communication with the office of Governor JEB who I told I had some very interesting information that he or most anyone might find useful. I advised him I did not make statements like that lightly. I was planning to lay all the 9-11 information I had on the table to him. In the meantime a letter came from INS stating this: If you bring your children from China to the US, they will become wards of the state. To me that was a very offensive and threatening statement against my babies. I have told you here what “ward of the state” means in my mind. After that letter I withheld further information about 9-11.
Can you expect such a person as me to try and save your day from catastrophe while your government is telling me they are predicting catastrophe for my children? Besides that, I told your law enforcement personnel in plenty of detail about the coming attacks. If they would not inform you and do something, and you are paying their salaries, why should I? Your state would not give me a job, even after I gave them perfectly good, detailed, information about major terrorist attacks against your own interests. What to hell people. You must be kidding. I mean, how goddamn negligent and stupid can a government be? I joined the military. They used real terrorist tactics against me. I survived it. Many others were killed, and many more were horribly mutilated. Again, I go to government with perfectly legitimate complaints, and once again I am ignored. Well, we saw your towers crashing down in 2001, and your pentagon in flames. I had known in quite some detail about those attacks since 1997. Try ignoring that.
I am not putting up a front to make a good impression. After what the so-called government system did to me, I really do not care if your government gets attacked. If your own officers are going to be that negligent, you get what you have coming. At any rate, you solicited for information about torture and abuse by agents of your own state government. I assure you, they did beat kids to bloody pulps, and they did systematically torture some. No question about it. I do not personally know of of Troy Tidwell's being that hard on anyone, but my knowledge where he is the matter is very limited. Where Zitch, Johns, and Davis are the subject, I can tell you they were so ferociously, sadistically hard on kids that when I told people precisely and accurately what they had done, nobody ever believed it. It really was unbelievably cruel, and so tunecessary, and not legitimately called for in any way. They just wanted to hurt people. What the state did to hundreds, perhaps a thousand children, perhaps thousands of children was far worse than sexual predation. It was bloody torture, sadism, terrorism, and gross exploitation, and a violation of human rights . 9-11 sic semper tyannis.
Saturday, May 9th 2009 - 12:44:25 PM
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Roger: I was reading the web site where it said you tried to expose the abuses for 17 years, and people did not listen; they would not believe what was happening. I had similar experiences after getting out of Okeechobee, but not for 17 years. It seemed people had limits to their credulousness, and simply tuned out or denied information too far outside those limits. Either that or they just did not give a damn, and did not want to admit their complicity through silence and indifference. Nobody could believe 40 lashes, much less many more than 40 and 60. They thought I was lying, but I was not lying. I was a witness. I was there. I was telling the truth.
Years ago, long before I heard of the White House Boys, I stood on street corners with a large white sign with red letters saying---State of Florida tortured children to bloody pulp. Nobody asked anything, or showed any interest.
The same thing happened with the attacks of 9-11. I came across detailed informatiuon about those attacks in 1997. I had been giving people detailed information about the coming attacks up until and through the night of September 10, 2001. Nobody believed me, or they were not listening, or they didn't really care one way or the other. After the attacks were executed I told people I had known about them for four years before they happened, and I got the same responses of incredulousness, disbelief, and even some accusations. I'll tell you. The USA is not really all that wonderful a country, and many Americans are ass holes. Those bastards running the state schools in your day and my day were perfect examples of the kinds of low-down, low-grade sons of bitches Amerika was producing. If bloody torture against wards of the state were again legalized and promoted, they would have no problem finding more Troy Tidwells, more Frank Zyches, R.W. Hattons, E.B. Davises, and Donald Johnses to take up the lash, and ruin the lives of thousands more children. And I assure you they would like doing it. What those types need is a taste of their own medicine.
Oh, and by the way. It was I, John Gobin Shaw, who asked people in Saudi Arabia if they would be interested in launching an airplanes-as-missiles, self-sacrifice, attack against government in the USA back in 1997. They answered in the affirmative. I was trying to interest them in good old Florida. They had bigger fish to fry in Washington and New York. Does it sound too outrageous to be true? Well, just remember, so did your and my true stories about state sponsored torture. Nobody could believe, but our stories were true. My story about 9-11 is true too. There is more to it, of course. The story of 9-11 covers 90-pages, and over 54,000 words.
I will be honest. After getting out of state school I was for launching a serious act of war against state government in Florida, even if it meant my own death. What the state and the police did to me factored large into the reasons I did not report what Tim McVeigh told me in 1994, if it was 1994, and why I did not go directly to the authorities with what I knew about the coming attacks of September 11, 2001. In essence, the government had told me my life was nothing, that torturing me and murdering me were acceptable. I got the chance to say the same back against them, and said it, albeit indirectly, but said it back by doing nothing in their interests, just as they had ignored mine. Let's face it. They abused, and it came around full circle, and bit them hard in their vital parts. 9-11 Sic semper tyrannis. Regards, John G. Shaw . :shamrock:
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