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« on: August 27, 2007, 01:01:52 AM »
My name is Weston M. Price

I attended Hyde school (Bath) roughly during the years of 1987-1988. I never finished, I was a discipline problem and never quite cared for any of the staff. In my time at Hyde I saw, or participated in:

 Seeing a student (Stuart Grenik sp(?)) being struck by Joseph Gauld Sr (I was not the only one witness to this)

A sexual relationship with a teacher (with me)

My parents being paid off by Hyde to not press charges in regards to certain violations (see aforementioned relationship).

There is no substitute for evidence, facts, and actual testimony. Having been at Hyde for probably the worst time in it's history, I can attest to quite a few things regarding the school, it's founder, it's history, it's 'unique potential'.


Note, oddly enough. I am also a survivor of Straight Inc (Atlanta chapter).

Questions?
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2007, 01:37:13 AM »
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My name is Weston M. Price

I attended Hyde school (Bath) roughly during the years of 1987-1988. I never finished, I was a discipline problem and never quite cared for any of the staff. In my time at Hyde I saw, or participated in:

 Seeing a student (Stuart Grenik sp(?)) being struck by Joseph Gauld Sr (I was not the only one witness to this)

A sexual relationship with a teacher (with me)

My parents being paid off by Hyde to not press charges in regards to certain violations (see aforementioned relationship).

There is no substitute for evidence, facts, and actual testimony. Having been at Hyde for probably the worst time in it's history, I can attest to quite a few things regarding the school, it's founder, it's history, it's 'unique potential'.


Note, oddly enough. I am also a survivor of Straight Inc (Atlanta chapter).

Questions?


Having attended Straight, Inc. , you no doubt have a unique perspective on many of the coercion techniques employed by Hyde.  I am curious as to your impressions, comparisons, etc.

It is my thus far contention that Hyde is not quite as "obvious" as Straight, but if you happened to be unfortunate enough to stand out, so to speak, one way or another, you would probably be treated to a worse brainwashing.

All that I have learned thus far about Hyde, not to mention what I witnessed during my time there, leads me to believe that sexual predation is a large part of the Hyde experience.  It is not necessarily known, witnessed, or experienced by all Hyde students.  But it is a theme that keeps coming up, again and again, from the beginning to the present.  Somehow this is wrapped into the Hyde philosophy much as intestinal worms are sometimes found wrapped around someone's feces.  It is a symptom of a far greater and more integral problem.
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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2007, 01:40:22 AM »
Did you actually have a question, or something to add? It's just your signature in your response.
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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2007, 01:46:45 AM »
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Did you actually have a question, or something to add? It's just your signature in your response.

My apologies! Hit the submit button by accident!  Post has been edited...
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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2007, 01:57:17 AM »
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My name is Weston M. Price

I attended Hyde school (Bath) roughly during the years of 1987-1988. I never finished, I was a discipline problem and never quite cared for any of the staff. In my time at Hyde I saw, or participated in:

 Seeing a student (Stuart Grenik sp(?)) being struck by Joseph Gauld Sr (I was not the only one witness to this)

A sexual relationship with a teacher (with me)

My parents being paid off by Hyde to not press charges in regards to certain violations (see aforementioned relationship).

There is no substitute for evidence, facts, and actual testimony. Having been at Hyde for probably the worst time in it's history, I can attest to quite a few things regarding the school, it's founder, it's history, it's 'unique potential'.


Note, oddly enough. I am also a survivor of Straight Inc (Atlanta chapter).

Questions?

Having attended Straight, Inc. , you no doubt have a unique perspective on many of the coercion techniques employed by Hyde.  I am curious as to your impressions, comparisons, etc.

It is my thus far contention that Hyde is not quite as "obvious" as Straight, but if you happened to be unfortunate enough to stand out, so to speak, one way or another, you would probably be treated to a worse brainwashing.

All that I have learned thus far about Hyde, not to mention what I witnessed during my time there, leads me to believe that sexual predation is a large part of the Hyde experience.  It is not necessarily known, witnessed, or experienced by all Hyde students.  But it is a theme that keeps coming up, again and again, from the beginning to the present.  Somehow this is wrapped into the Hyde philosophy much as intestinal worms are sometimes found wrapped around someone's feces.  It is a symptom of a far greater and more integral problem.


Hmmm....

Good questions. My time at Straight was darkness. To be clear, there are very few parallels between Straight and Hyde beyond the typical 'mantra' of belief that is required of everyone. Straight was a different realm of abuse. Hyde was a walk in the park in retrospect.

To your question regarding predation at Hyde, there was always an element of 'sexual awareness'. Typically, in my time, there were quite a few folks on 2-4 as a result. The only relationship I knew of between a student and a teacher was my own; as a result, I can't quite comment on others. There were always rumors, but given what I know, they were always pretty much just that, rumors.
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2007, 02:18:20 AM »
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My name is Weston M. Price

I attended Hyde school (Bath) roughly during the years of 1987-1988. I never finished, I was a discipline problem and never quite cared for any of the staff. In my time at Hyde I saw, or participated in:

 Seeing a student (Stuart Grenik sp(?)) being struck by Joseph Gauld Sr (I was not the only one witness to this)

A sexual relationship with a teacher (with me)

My parents being paid off by Hyde to not press charges in regards to certain violations (see aforementioned relationship).

There is no substitute for evidence, facts, and actual testimony. Having been at Hyde for probably the worst time in it's history, I can attest to quite a few things regarding the school, it's founder, it's history, it's 'unique potential'.


Note, oddly enough. I am also a survivor of Straight Inc (Atlanta chapter).

Questions?

Having attended Straight, Inc. , you no doubt have a unique perspective on many of the coercion techniques employed by Hyde.  I am curious as to your impressions, comparisons, etc.

It is my thus far contention that Hyde is not quite as "obvious" as Straight, but if you happened to be unfortunate enough to stand out, so to speak, one way or another, you would probably be treated to a worse brainwashing.

All that I have learned thus far about Hyde, not to mention what I witnessed during my time there, leads me to believe that sexual predation is a large part of the Hyde experience.  It is not necessarily known, witnessed, or experienced by all Hyde students.  But it is a theme that keeps coming up, again and again, from the beginning to the present.  Somehow this is wrapped into the Hyde philosophy much as intestinal worms are sometimes found wrapped around someone's feces.  It is a symptom of a far greater and more integral problem.

Hmmm....

Good questions. My time at Straight was darkness. To be clear, there are very few parallels between Straight and Hyde beyond the typical 'mantra' of belief that is required of everyone. Straight was a different realm of abuse. Hyde was a walk in the park in retrospect.

To your question regarding predation at Hyde, there was always an element of 'sexual awareness'. Typically, in my time, there were quite a few folks on 2-4 as a result. The only relationship I knew of between a student and a teacher was my own; as a result, I can't quite comment on others. There were always rumors, but given what I know, they were always pretty much just that, rumors.


Okay... I did not experience Straight, so I, myself, cannot honestly compare... But from my own personal experience, I found the brainwashing element pretty extreme.  It was very cloaked in "respectability" and many "feel-good" terms which, in retrospect, made it that much harder to tease out.  I should say, right here, so you understand, that I was brainwashed by Hyde, and I was a believer in Hyde, until certain events  happened to me and the so-called school did what it did, and it has taken over 30 years for me to process that.  For a long time, I have known that what happened was wrong on the part of Hyde, but I thought it was a fluke and just my bad luck, and did not realize that many others were also standing in my shoes.

Re. sexual predation on the part of faculty, there is much to read here in these threads.  Might I recommend the fine vintage of "Scary Larry..." as exposing a guilty few.  It is also my impression that the place really has a "My Fair Lady" complex.  Think about it:  Joe seducing Andrea VH and carrying on with her whilst still married to Blanche (perhaps separated?  still inappropriate), rapist Bob Thurrell, diddler Dubinsky, and then there is the plain and simple fact that Laura Denton Gauld and Laurie Gauld Hurd met their future husbands while they were students and the husbands were teachers...  Let us not forget the escapades of Henry Milton and the adventures at Sumner's Beach House...  And as to Sumner himself?  The grand old namesake of those who venture to remember Hyde in their will?  Hmm... let me just say I have heard some things a bit salacious and not so complimentary.

Out of curiousity, and with all due respect to you, who was the faculty member in question in your case?
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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2007, 02:38:10 AM »
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My name is Weston M. Price

I attended Hyde school (Bath) roughly during the years of 1987-1988. I never finished, I was a discipline problem and never quite cared for any of the staff. In my time at Hyde I saw, or participated in:

 Seeing a student (Stuart Grenik sp(?)) being struck by Joseph Gauld Sr (I was not the only one witness to this)

A sexual relationship with a teacher (with me)

My parents being paid off by Hyde to not press charges in regards to certain violations (see aforementioned relationship).

There is no substitute for evidence, facts, and actual testimony. Having been at Hyde for probably the worst time in it's history, I can attest to quite a few things regarding the school, it's founder, it's history, it's 'unique potential'.


Note, oddly enough. I am also a survivor of Straight Inc (Atlanta chapter).

Questions?

Having attended Straight, Inc. , you no doubt have a unique perspective on many of the coercion techniques employed by Hyde.  I am curious as to your impressions, comparisons, etc.

It is my thus far contention that Hyde is not quite as "obvious" as Straight, but if you happened to be unfortunate enough to stand out, so to speak, one way or another, you would probably be treated to a worse brainwashing.

All that I have learned thus far about Hyde, not to mention what I witnessed during my time there, leads me to believe that sexual predation is a large part of the Hyde experience.  It is not necessarily known, witnessed, or experienced by all Hyde students.  But it is a theme that keeps coming up, again and again, from the beginning to the present.  Somehow this is wrapped into the Hyde philosophy much as intestinal worms are sometimes found wrapped around someone's feces.  It is a symptom of a far greater and more integral problem.

Hmmm....

Good questions. My time at Straight was darkness. To be clear, there are very few parallels between Straight and Hyde beyond the typical 'mantra' of belief that is required of everyone. Straight was a different realm of abuse. Hyde was a walk in the park in retrospect.

To your question regarding predation at Hyde, there was always an element of 'sexual awareness'. Typically, in my time, there were quite a few folks on 2-4 as a result. The only relationship I knew of between a student and a teacher was my own; as a result, I can't quite comment on others. There were always rumors, but given what I know, they were always pretty much just that, rumors.

Okay... I did not experience Straight, so I, myself, cannot honestly compare... But from my own personal experience, I found the brainwashing element pretty extreme.  It was very cloaked in "respectability" and many "feel-good" terms which, in retrospect, made it that much harder to tease out.  I should say, right here, so you understand, that I was brainwashed by Hyde, and I was a believer in Hyde, until certain events  happened to me and the so-called school did what it did, and it has taken over 30 years for me to process that.  For a long time, I have known that what happened was wrong on the part of Hyde, but I thought it was a fluke and just my bad luck, and did not realize that many others were also standing in my shoes.

Re. sexual predation on the part of faculty, there is much to read here in these threads.  Might I recommend the fine vintage of "Scary Larry..." as exposing a guilty few.  It is also my impression that the place really has a "My Fair Lady" complex.  Think about it:  Joe seducing Andrea VH and carrying on with her whilst still married to Blanche (perhaps separated?  still inappropriate), rapist Bob Thurrell, diddler Dubinsky, and then there is the plain and simple fact that Laura Denton Gauld and Laurie Gauld Hurd met their future husbands while they were students and the husbands were teachers...  Let us not forget the escapades of Henry Milton and the adventures at Sumner's Beach House...  And as to Sumner himself?  The grand old namesake of those who venture to remember Hyde in their will?  Hmm... let me just say I have heard some things a bit salacious and not so complimentary.

Out of curiousity, and with all due respect to you, who was the faculty member in question in your case?


I have been perusing these forums for awhile and I have a pretty good idea of what you faced. I am trying to understand what you deemed 'belief' versus what you were simply to young to comprehend. In my mind, there is real difference.

As far as '...it has taken me over 30 years to process that..' I can understand the sentiment and the struggle you must have had. I think all of us deal with these things in our own way. Certain people actually remain at Hyde, they become assimilated as possible teachers, while the rest of us go on to do different things. I could sit here and feed you a line about how things are going to get 'better' but I think we all know that is just not true. Nothing in our respective pasts can truly compensate for what happened; sadly enough, nothing in our respective futures can truly give us what we envision.

I don't recognize most of the names you mention in terms of predation. I would imagine most of these are before my time. Joe of course is a constant; as lively and manical as ever. I never heard that about other women. Of course, keep in mind, he punched a student while I was there and was shuffled off for awhile. No one ever seems to remember that one, though the entire student body was there when two pretty courageous students were made to stand up (in front of the entire school) and confront him. I will still remember Joe G. actually grilling those two as if they were on the witness stand.

The teacher I had a relationship was named Margaret 'Peg' Brazier. I believe she is in DC now. We continued our relationship after Hyde, years later of course.
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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2007, 03:19:52 AM »
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I have been perusing these forums for awhile and I have a pretty good idea of what you faced. I am trying to understand what you deemed 'belief' versus what you were simply to young to comprehend. In my mind, there is real difference.
I chose Hyde, as incredible as it may seem today, because their rhetoric struck me as being more focussed on "real values" and things that were "good" and made a difference.  The choice was between Hyde and a "normal" boarding school.  I started there young, I ended up attending 3-4 years.  I was a very sheltered youngster whose primary sin was depression and a sense of alienation from the status quo.  My parents were also very sheltered, at least from American culture, although I think my father figured out Hyde soon enough but didn't have the heart to voice his misgivings to me.

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I don't recognize most of the names you mention in terms of predation. I would imagine most of these are before my time. Joe of course is a constant; as lively and manical as ever. I never heard that about other women. Of course, keep in mind, he punched a student while I was there and was shuffled off for awhile. No one ever seems to remember that one, though the entire student body was there when two pretty courageous students were made to stand up (in front of the entire school) and confront him. I will still remember Joe G. actually grilling those two as if they were on the witness stand.

He punched a student during my time as well.  JoeSoulBro would be better able to fill you in as he witnessed it.  Some girl, and so hard her glasses went flying off into the dirt.

Bob Thurrell was Dean of Students when he raped one of his students.  He was slated to become Assistant Headmaster the following year, when Joe was to resign as Headmaster, and Ed Legg was to take over the helm (1975-76).  The school wasn't too happy about the change in plans, and Thurrell went off to "think over things" while the girl was put through the wringer.  It turns out that that this was at least the third attempt on the part of Thurrell and that the school was well aware of his previous shenanigans.

Larry Dubinsky was a student during and/or slightly after this time, perhaps Thurrell's wife Lynn was still teaching.  Larry was one of those Hyde success stories who came back to teach in lieu of other career options (!).  He married another Hyde student, Donna, who was a few years younger.  Donna still teaches at Hyde - Woodstock.  Larry likes to express his love for the girls in rather... physical ways... Eventually, a parent (s?) sued Hyde for the sexual assault of their daughter.  This latest circumstance was relatively recent, I'm thinking maybe 5 years ago.  Again, Larry went off to "think over things" and the girl was put through the wringer until she left.

There was an incident of a few years ago when some female music or Spanish teacher carried on with a male student.  She was let go.  I don't know much about this one.

Henry Milton was a faculty member during my time and had some rather focussed fascination with the boys.  Nighttime swimming in the nude at Sumner (Hawley's) beach house, plus discussions as to comparative size of one's Johnson, etc. plus other stuff that has been alluded to by others but which I don't know first hand. Henry's wife, Marsha, was carrying on an affair with one of my classmates.  Again, JoeSoulBro knows this one better as the two of them were buddies more than I was.

Sumner Hawley... well, I'll leave that one for another time, as I am tired.  Was he already retired by your time?  If so, it was not too long before that that he was still teaching...

What tangled webs we weave...
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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2007, 07:07:06 AM »
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No one ever seems to remember that one,


  Actually,  a woman from the time Mr bear and I were at hyde told me the story.  She was an eye witness.  Joe was sent to Hawaii to unwind.  I did not witness Joe slapping the girl in the lunch line for the offense of "having no personality" but I was in the student union when it happened.  A buzz went thought the building.  "Joe just ... !"  That man was strung tighter than the drone string on Bela Fleck's banjo.  It is a wonder he hasn't completely lost control of his temper and done something horrific.  When ever I was near him I sensed that he was teetering on the edge of some emotional cataclysm, like a volcano about to erupt.
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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2007, 12:15:31 PM »
I am curious, Hyde88, as to why you chose to title this thread "Honor."  Care to elaborate a little on this?

Also, was Hyde aware of this relationship with Peg Brazier?  How did the shit hit the fan?  Why and how did she continue teaching at Hyde, let alone teaching at all, after all this came to light?
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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2007, 12:44:23 PM »
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No one ever seems to remember that one,

  Actually,  a woman from the time Mr bear and I were at hyde told me the story.  She was an eye witness.  Joe was sent to Hawaii to unwind.  I did not witness Joe slapping the girl in the lunch line for the offense of "having no personality" but I was in the student union when it happened.  A buzz went thought the building.  "Joe just ... !"  That man was strung tighter than the drone string on Bela Fleck's banjo.  It is a wonder he hasn't completely lost control of his temper and done something horrific.  When ever I was near him I sensed that he was teetering on the edge of some emotional cataclysm, like a volcano about to erupt.


Oddly enough, this is where Joe went after the incident during my time. Hawaii must be some sort of 'safe haven'. I would actually venture a guess about extradition laws, but it being a full fledged state in the Union probably renders that theory null and void.

For clarification, I think I should point out that I personally did not actually 'witness' the act in and of itself. Two other students did and being present for their public excoriation was what I was referring to in regards to this incident. I realized my statement from before could be construed as me having direct involvement and I wanted to clear that up.

Interestingly enough, the school seemed to deal with this in exactly the same manner as in the 70's. I suppose this is to be expected. What I have always wondered is how many incidents might have occurred with no witnesses whatsoever.
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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2007, 02:15:11 PM »
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I am curious, Hyde88, as to why you chose to title this thread "Honor."  Care to elaborate a little on this?

Also, was Hyde aware of this relationship with Peg Brazier?  How did the shit hit the fan?  Why and how did she continue teaching at Hyde, let alone teaching at all, after all this came to light?


she took on tha last name of "Armstrong" while still in Miane...
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« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2007, 02:50:06 PM »
and still in maine in 2005 when her brother had abike/car accidnt.
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« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2007, 03:28:43 PM »
assoc off and on w tranqul space, yoga place in DC. 2002-2006. periodic back to maine
a couple pics here  http://tranquilspace.com/tees.shtml

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« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2007, 03:52:26 PM »
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No one ever seems to remember that one,

  Actually,  a woman from the time Mr bear and I were at hyde told me the story.  She was an eye witness.  Joe was sent to Hawaii to unwind.  I did not witness Joe slapping the girl in the lunch line for the offense of "having no personality" but I was in the student union when it happened.  A buzz went thought the building.  "Joe just ... !"  That man was strung tighter than the drone string on Bela Fleck's banjo.  It is a wonder he hasn't completely lost control of his temper and done something horrific.  When ever I was near him I sensed that he was teetering on the edge of some emotional cataclysm, like a volcano about to erupt.

Oddly enough, this is where Joe went after the incident during my time. Hawaii must be some sort of 'safe haven'. I would actually venture a guess about extradition laws, but it being a full fledged state in the Union probably renders that theory null and void.

For clarification, I think I should point out that I personally did not actually 'witness' the act in and of itself. Two other students did and being present for their public excoriation was what I was referring to in regards to this incident. I realized my statement from before could be construed as me having direct involvement and I wanted to clear that up.

Interestingly enough, the school seemed to deal with this in exactly the same manner as in the 70's. I suppose this is to be expected. What I have always wondered is how many incidents might have occurred with no witnesses whatsoever.

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Oddly enough, this is where Joe went after the incident during my time.


That was what I was referring to.  The person that related the story to me was working for Hyde at the time.  I thought that she related it an eyewitness account but I could be wrong.  There are a number of people that when to Hyde in the seventies that love a guy named Legg and don't care for Joe.  I believe the story was related to me as an example of why/how joe is/was bad vis-a-vis the goodness of Legg.  Legg never beat any one to my knowledge.  He was just verbally abusive.

Kids have been beaten at school for centuries in the US.  I think it is important to draw a distinction here between the good old fashioned  hickory switch out behind the wood shed of the one room school house or the catholic sister/brother that would occasionally administer a ruler predictably to your knuckles, and what Joe did. What we are talking about it a six foot 200 pound man losing his temper with little kids.
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