The Black Race.

[85 Day Jerk]

Let's step outside ourselves for a moment and reflect on the changes that have occurred since the days of our various programs shall we? Big hair is no longer the rage, cell phones are no longer the size of hair dryers, and computers were to the 90's what Color TV was in the '60's.
School-kids traded in their Walkmans for handguns
and the music is not about getting high, so much as it is about running your mouth about how tough you are, and how many ho's you can impregnate with your illiterate genes.
Families rarely eat dinner together anymore unless it is at a restaurant. People with good jobs are working far too many hours overtime, while young frustrated adults scream for training and opportunities against the deaf ear of U.S. Industry. Values are viewed as 'weakness' and held in contempt. We witnessed large aircraft fly
into the two tallest buildings in America and some still question whether it was real or just an elaborate set up to plunge our country into war
for the "good of the economy." For the icing on the cake, we were presented with yet another Space Shuttle Accident.  I don't let the posts of others get me down that much, but I can say, that lately this forum has strayed into the fringes of the Twilight Zone. The main thing is that this is what makes America what it is, a bunch of grab astic pieces of amphibian shit shooting off their mouths and seeking attention and gratification. People may miss my earlier "Tales of Epic Adventure" from my early days in the Milton Roy Building, but for now I only write like that if I have a flash-back and lemme tell ya, its hard to have a flash-back when all you see in here is the same tired lame-ass bullshit. What it all boils down to is that we have nothing but ourselves to blame.

As far as the Black/White thing goes, it took me moving to another state to gain a much needed fresher perspective of the situation.  All I can honestly say is this: in the state of Tennessee, Black folks are more white than white people are in Pinellas Park Florida!!!!
They know how to act, and embrace GOOD music, mainly Memphis Blues.  The only time you hear thumping Ghetto trash music is when some ignorant dumbass hillbilly wannabe Gangsta Asshole drives by in his piece of shit Nissan JitterBoogie Mobile, go figure, thousands of hours of MTV shit music programing has finally paid off and it is erroding white middle class trailer Jethro Retardville just like the "commie hippie propaganda" of the early 70's helped "seed"
the juvenile drug treatment hysteria we all fell victim to.

If you are not behind bars, then that must mean you are a free man.
If you have to resort to blaming others for your misfortunes, then the bars are of your own goddamn making and I would appreciate you putting your mouth on mute and try and think your way into a better way to live.

[hanzomon4]

Dude youth violence, like youth trying to impregnate folks with illiterate genes, is down to the lowest it's ever been. Blacks created blues, and Ghetto music, like punk, is both high art and highly commodified by deep pockets that care more about the image then the music.

So please get a clue.....

[hanzomon4]

if what other people have posted is true and you and your family have been assaulted where you live more than once, why you are still living there?

Only now that he has been so viciously attcked, have the housing peple tken notice, he has been trying to get out for a long time due to the unsanitory conditions and lack of safety, important things like a window that wont shut & a toilet tht doesnt flush and a constantly leaking roof ... these thinngs have not been inportnat in the past as far as his landlords are concerned, now he has been given options to move but this can take several months

The social worker gave him leaflets on wat to do as a refugee for crying out loud! He is a US citizen, none of it applies to him

Michael is in real danger of becning an agorophobic through all of this, he is frightened, whether the attacker was black or white, the end result would be the same, he is afraid to go out of the house ... yet these ppl are still alowed to torment him daily, none of the agencies are being particularly helpful, your system is just diabolical and if it were me in his istuation I would feel the same, no matter who my attacker was.

Who are you and why exactly are you speaking for " Michael" ?
This is weird in and of itself

So now we know that " Michael" lives in a shit hole and can't afford to move because, well who knows why, but because of those reasons it's the systems fault?

Here is an idea. Don't be an asshole to other people and maybe you won't get your ass kicked. I know, I know, it seems like a radical idea but it's worked before on studies that have been conducted on rats.
But maybe " michael" won't like this idea and will stay where he's at and just keep getting more of the same.

If all else fails " Michael" could try and sue someone, like maybe the landlord, or better yet, someone involved in government. Yeah, that sounds like it might work!

I'm sorry I didnt log in, that was my post above - Exhausted.

I am speaking for Michael (which is his real name incidentally) because he is not getting his point across through sheer frustration and anger and pain

he did not piss anyone off in order to be beaten in such a brutal manner, okay I wasn't there of course but he is not that type of person....he has had many years of hell from these peope and maybe he did bite back, everyone has a tolerance level that only goes so far, his has been we & truly stretched, this was the final straw.

Yes you're right, government intervention and suing the landlords is underway, but that does not take away what has happened to him already - the damage has been done mentally

As for why society has let him down, oh if only you knew! He should have been taken out of that shit hole years ago, this was just waiting to happen, the reason his mother had bleach thrown in her face is because he complianed to the landlord about the constant harrassment day & night, the banging on the doors, the death threats, the constant mental torture (a bit like living in a program for a kid I guess) yet no-one took any notice.
A social worker who gives a US citizen advice on how to be housed as a refugee(Katrina?[/i]) is a small example of how your system sucks, the fact that only non whites can pull the race card(Not true[/i]) is another example when this was clearly a racial attack(No that would not make the attack a racial one, even if it was true[/i]) - Michael is not anti black, he is anti black person smashing his head in, as he would be anti anyone smashing his head in.

No exhausted you got this one wrong, he's not being treated like crap by the government and his landlord because he's white... It's because he's poor that no one gives a damn, it's worse if you've also been to jail. What he's going through is what blacks usually go through. You complain about dangerous living conditions and get ignored until something so horrible happens they can't ignore you, like that gangrape and beating of that boy and his mother recently reported in the news.

It's true that blacks generally face more racism then whites and thus race often becomes a part of many issue faced by blacks. But you're wrong if you think Blacks can't be tried for race crimes, they can and should be. Don't mistake the media calling a crime a hate crime as opposed to what the law says.

I would suggest looking at what your state laws are regarding hate crimes. Some states can take racism into consideration during sentencing, others actually try cases as a hate crime. Depending on what the law says it could be difficult to prove that a crime was racially motivated.

EDIT: I have to add also that Blacks account for the highest number of hate crime victims and offenders(usually against other blacks), while I'm not sure if I agree with that assessment, it shows that blacks are not being given special protection against prosecution for hate crimes.

[Anonymous]

Dude youth violence, like youth trying to impregnate folks with illiterate genes, is down to the lowest it's ever been. Blacks created blues, and Ghetto music, like punk, is both high art and highly commodified by deep pockets that care more about the image then the music.

So please get a clue.....

I agree get a clue.
Show me where punk music is related to ghetto. That,in itself is insulting.Nothing worse than the image created for these "hiphop stars".these are not stars,nor are they talented.plus what they represent to our youth is beyond criminal.
Wake up

[Anonymous]

Hi Hanzomon, long time no speak  

I don't live in the US, but the laws in the Uk are pretty rubbish when it comes to dealing with race.....if youre British White, you generally cannot argue that you are a victim of a race hate campaign or asault as in Michaels case, ethnic minority workers often don't do any work claijming they are made to do the rubbish jobs beause they are black, for example, a friend of mine is going through college so stacks shelevs at a superarket, there is a woman there who is also a shelf stacker, she refuses to do it on the grounds that she is being made to do it because she is black, and she gets away with it because the management cannot aford for her to say they are racist, the guy I know is white and british born, he got really fed up with doing her job so asked to be paid her wages, which was denied, so he took her stance and spent every night for a week screaming around the shop shouting "you're making me do this becaue Im white" he was sacked for not doing the job he was contracted to do


I happen to know a manger at Asda (Walmart over there) and he says this sort of thing is commonplace and they DO use the race card all the time

As for racial attacks, that happnes alot here, where backs kil or attack whites, i don't think there is one case that it has been oput down to a racial attack....the whole thing stinks imo

Exhausted

[Anonymous]

Hi Hanzomon, long time no speak  

I don't live in the US, but the laws in the Uk are pretty rubbish when it comes to dealing with race.....if youre British White, you generally cannot argue that you are a victim of a race hate campaign or asault as in Michaels case, ethnic minority workers often don't do any work claijming they are made to do the rubbish jobs beause they are black, for example, a friend of mine is going through college so stacks shelevs at a superarket, there is a woman there who is also a shelf stacker, she refuses to do it on the grounds that she is being made to do it because she is black, and she gets away with it because the management cannot aford for her to say they are racist, the guy I know is white and british born, he got really fed up with doing her job so asked to be paid her wages, which was denied, so he took her stance and spent every night for a week screaming around the shop shouting "you're making me do this becaue Im white" he was sacked for not doing the job he was contracted to do


I happen to know a manger at Asda (Walmart over there) and he says this sort of thing is commonplace and they DO use the race card all the time

As for racial attacks, that happnes alot here, where backs kil or attack whites, i don't think there is one case that it has been oput down to a racial attack....the whole thing stinks imo

Exhausted

[Che Gookin]

Stinks of someones tainted pussy juice for sure.

[hanzomon4]

You're doing the Julie thing Exhausted   :lol:

What you describe stinks, I've never heard of anything that ridiculous. Thats not how it is in the States. I never knew UK had a race problem like in the States I thought you all just got along. Being poor is what gets you fucked here, while Blacks are generally looked down upon, poor whites get the same treatment  :flame:

This world needs an enema  

[Anonymous]

You're not wrong Hanzomon,

Had to laugh at you thinking we just get along though, we're having major problems, humanity is turning on each other like a pack of rabid dogs......for instance at the moment the gang culture is way way out of hand, we're gettng reports of at least 2 children a week being stabbed or shot, just because, last week an 11 year old was shot while playing football, by a 16 year old on a bycicle! no reasons, he just did.....week before a young black male was killed because he refused to become part of a gang, the biggest problem is the wall of silence - everyone's too scared to say anyhting and why wouldn't they be? Would you speak up against someone who's willing to just go kill an innocent 11 year old in order to gain status?
Maybe it's children like these who do need programs, what's jail going to do for them apart from remove them from what they have done? Take them away from the consequence so they don't have to see it, how does that teach them anything?

What's the Julie thing?  :question:

Exhausted  

[hanzomon4]

I'll ignore the program suggestion at the end....

You may want to look at crime statistics to see if youth violence is really high compared to other generations. In the US they paint youth as monsters but all data suggest that we are the saints of America in comparison to other generations.

Julie is the parent who never signs in and signs her post as "Julie" at the end. I always saw it as the Julie thing because only she did it regularly.

[Anonymous]

I'll ignore the program suggestion at the end....

You may want to look at crime statistics to see if youth violence is really high compared to other generations. In the US they paint youth as monsters but all data suggest that we are the saints of America in comparison to other generations.

Julie is the parent who never signs in and signs her post as "Julie" at the end. I always saw it as the Julie thing because only she did it regularly.

Hmmm...I dunno, maybe  a bit of pace is required for these kids, I don't mean go to a program to be abused, as you well know, I am not anti program, I am anti program abuse, if these programs could work properly with these kids we might see that some of them actually do need it, bit like those who train animals by beating them into it, sure it works, but then so does my method of training by reward and lots of affection.

We've neevr really had a gang culture to speak of, there was the mods and rockers using fists etc, but nothing like these al American gang warfare culture that's going on now, and definitely not guns, I was horrified when kids started carrying knives - that was a stab or be stabbed situation, I'd say violent crime has definitely gone up and child killing child ......well we rarely rarely had a case of this, now its a weekly occurence, scary

Exhausted (sorry i'm just too lazy)

[hanzomon4]

I thought it was illegal to own/sell a guns in the UK  

These crimes happen in high poverty areas or have poverty rates risen? These things affect crime the most, although when it comes to youth it must be because they're insane and need a whoppin     :roll:

But take it from us in the states Residntial treatment after decades is still as abusive as ever. We only became appalled after the fact, before that we say that things have gotten better then it was in the past, it's like a joke we never get. You don't get love when folks think you're crazy and if you're troubled you must be crazy.

Let me ask has this happened yet: The youth are out of control because all that rap music, it's the devil I tell ya... The devil!!!

I remember reading how Al Gore in the 80's said that the jungle beats in rock n' roll(or was it rap) would drive youth to wild sex. wtf??? Hasn't happened yet, we have less sex, but you don't hear that in our media very much. That's why I suggest you get a hold to some government crime statistics(poverty rates/trends while you're at it) before you conclude that your nation is insane.  Also beware of the special interest groups that hate youth culture(they get recycled every generation) who try their hardest to demonise youth..... *whisper* These people secretly want to take over the world, like Pinky and the Brain, Brain, Brain, Brain... Brain

::T::  You're not lazy, you're Exhausted... Go take a nap

[exhausted]

No it's not how poor you are, or what area you live in - there seems to be no pattern to any of it, the kids come from all backgrounds, rich poor, nicer area's, well known bad areas, some turn out to be top lawyers despite the fact they live in a really bad area, others turn out to be hole digging, but honest decent human beings, the same applies to wealthier areas where gang culture is just as rife.

It just seems to be 'cool' to adopt this way of life, that and kids are terrified to turn down very quickly established gangs, I don't know what is going to be done about this, simply because they are now established, they just suddenly 'sprung up' - the wall of silence is there and the police can't bring anyone to justice without evidence, and none of these kids are going to give evidence against someone who is willing to kill an innocent 11 yr old in cold blood, what would you do in their place?

Guns are illegal and believe me the sentencing for anyone caught will be tough, really tough.

I don't think we blame rap or any other time of music, we tried that with the punk rockers and mods etc - most of them turned out okay despite their troubled teenhoods, it's time to look at society as a whole

1stly scrap the children's right charter, it has caused more harm thean good, kids spend their lives satying "you can't touch me, I'll sue you" this means they can hit, punch, swear, treat their parents, teachers, police or anyone else in authority how they please, knowing there is nothing these ppl can do to protect themselves because they are right, there is nothing we can do without ending up on an assault charge

we need to go back to basics!

this is JMO - families don't go out for the day together anymore and visit the zoo, kids dont go to army cadets or join chess club, they don't even sit down to eat together anymore,  it's just not cool, they'd rather be hanging the streets with their friends smoking weed and putting a stamp on their status.

The devil - hmmm, do you know what I think the devil is? The internet......how many children only ever see the back of their parent's heads? with the odd mumble at them as they try to concentrate on their msn conversation? that's why i haven't been here very much, I wait until the kids are out paying, or in bed asleep, unles I'm working of course, then I set aside time for that which they know I have to do - in return I set aside time to go swimming or something they might enjoy

I'm nowhere near where I want to be with either of my boys, not even close, but for now, they are out of immediate danger of becoming gang members *Knocks on wood* and are beginning to realise it's not okay to continue their behaviour, they still do even though it's not okay but it's getting less & less thankfully and they are even considering their future careers etc, but i wouldn't say that would work for every kid either, it certainly hasn't worked for the eldest.

I don't have the answers, all I can say from personal experience is get to know your children for the poeple they are, not the people you want them to be has got to be the way to go - then draw on that

And you're right, I am still Exhausted - but I'll survive that one  :wink:

[exhausted]

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs07/hosb0207.pdf

Is about all i can come up with, but seeing as it is a government website I wouldn't trust its accuracy too much

[Anonymous]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6960431.stm

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