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« Reply #120 on: August 02, 2007, 03:10:16 AM »
They've known about it over at CAFETY for a couple of months know about the whole Whitmore situation.

Just go check their archives.
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« Reply #121 on: August 02, 2007, 03:12:35 AM »
Do you hear yourself, guest?  Some people even say WWASP programs' "good outweighs its bad."  Kids come home from WWASPs programs afraid to misbehave again. These kids are afraid their parents might send them BACK!   Does that justify the abuse they suffered in a WWASP program?  You are full of shit!
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« Reply #122 on: August 02, 2007, 03:18:37 AM »
Swarmy, you've referred to this as a minor link issue.  Let's see how "minor" a link is:

I caught my kid smoking grass, I think he's an addict, I go to the internet for help.

For some reason, I get to the low-traffic CAFETY first.

CAFETY-->NYRA-->CAICA-->PURE = a kid placed in a program.

That's a rather short route.  Rethink your position.
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« Reply #123 on: August 02, 2007, 03:34:48 AM »
I accept NYRA for the good it brings and intends to bring.  That's all -
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« Reply #124 on: August 02, 2007, 04:27:58 AM »
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I accept NYRA for the good it brings and intends to bring.  That's all -


CAFETY-->NYRA-->CAICA-->PURE = a kid placed in a program.


You're comfortable with that?  Good, because I'm going to edit out every post I made on CAFETY and insert that "map", along with a warning to parents that CAFETY is not a referral free zone.
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« Reply #125 on: August 02, 2007, 05:21:53 AM »
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Do you hear yourself, guest?  Some people even say WWASP programs' "good outweighs its bad."  Kids come home from WWASPs programs afraid to misbehave again. These kids are afraid their parents might send them BACK!   Does that justify the abuse they suffered in a WWASP program?  You are full of shit!


I'm sorry if you were offended. I think it's a little too harsh to imply I meant it that way, though. I certainly am not justifying a WWASP program.  I was in  a wwasp program, and I find that quite often a lot of what I say sounds like program speak.  I also hear a lot of people around me say things that sound similar.  I think its something like getting a car. When you get one you tend to notice similar ones all over the place.
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« Reply #126 on: August 02, 2007, 06:06:11 AM »
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CAFETY-->NYRA-->CAICA-->PURE = a kid placed in a program.

Better yet:

FORNITS-->every organization in this industry-->Ed Cons, Transports, NATSAP = kid placed in my program

Have fun with your little civil war kiddies. I'll be laughing all the way to the bank while I continue helping kids. Go knock each other out, please.
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« Reply #127 on: August 02, 2007, 06:21:14 AM »
Nope Zen maps it out better.

Keep swinging at air.
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« Reply #128 on: August 02, 2007, 07:00:56 AM »
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Abuse is never justified, and my statements yesterday were abusive and cruel to those of you who have suffered real abuse, and suffered from the same quality of lumping everyone in the same category that I have accused others of.

I will no longer be posting here.  The road to hell is paved with good intentions and I need to stop before I go any deeper.  I hope those of you who I have hurt can forgive me for being an ass.


Apology accepted if sincere.
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« Reply #129 on: August 02, 2007, 06:17:55 PM »
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Cafety could easily solve this matter by denouncing the child-for-profit referral industry and letting people know  they will not link to nor endorse any other organzation that tolerates this disgusting practice in any way, shape or form.

How hard is that?

Cafety has....the only thing that is even still at issue is the connection to another organization that links to another.....and the connection of the chairman of that organization on cafety's board.

the fact that it hasn't happened in a couple days....since people have work schedules to accomodate doesn't mean the issue won't be dealt with further.  

calm down and stop jumping to conclusions that have no merit. If no solution is made, or if when a decision is made you still disagree, then do what you want....but merely attacking people that up until recently you had respect for in many regards is just plain stupid.


http://businessesales.att.com/products_ ... play.jhtml

Link to AT&T web/conference calling services.  Its very easy to set up.  Everyone gets a call in number and time and everyone can discuss the issue at hand.  

It is more than just a link.  A board member is involved with and supports and organization that refers parents to programs.  CAICA also supported proram owners after they were charged with child abuse.  She even wrote a blog about a parent that had a child abused in the program. I am sure someone here could provided the needed links/documentation if you need it.

There are many informative sites.  I asked earlier (twice) and have not recieved a response.  It might be something you want to bring up in your meeting.  What are the advantages to linking to CAICA?  It has been proven that she does and plans to recommend programs.  I am sure someone on here could provide you with links to that documentation.  

Having said that, I don't agree with HEAL that CAFETY had any other agenda besides trying to prepare for a hearing.
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« Reply #130 on: August 02, 2007, 06:57:20 PM »
well... You idiots at CAFETY can link to CAICA directly or indirectly all you want.  For what it's worth, i'd advise against it.  Choose to ignore my advise at your own risk.  I won't do anything... but the dominoes that have been set in motion will.  You'll find out soon enough what a bad decision it was to associate, however indirectly, with CAICA.  Consider it fair warning (however cryptic).
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« Reply #131 on: August 02, 2007, 07:06:36 PM »
Wording on the NYRA link:

Coalition Against Institutionalized Child Abuse
CAICA is a strong voice of opposition to behavior modification institutions across the country and employs public education, lobbying, and direct action to bring down these youth gulag schools.

The "warning" is applied above all of the "troubled teen industry" not just CAICA.  The statement suggests that IZ is not involved in the troubled teen industry when in fact, she has "teamed up" with Sue Scheff (per her blog).  I think if at least the wording was changed on the above link.  

I have a few ideas.. but, they arent appropriate.
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« Reply #132 on: August 02, 2007, 08:47:36 PM »
I've had a good relationship with CAFETY  and A START over the past year, so I really feel a bit burned by this.  If CAFETY was sticking to a middle path and keeping a wary eye on CAICA, they should have smelled the smoke when the Whitmore blogs were posted and the teaming up of Izzy and Sue was made known.  Now that it's a blazing inferno, CAFETY wants to defend their indirect link to CAICA.  It's more than an embarrassment, it's disgusting.

The mystery CAFETY poster said we're causing the movement to go backwards, but he's wrong.  Everyone else has moved forward and shunned CAICA while CAFETY can't seem to make a definite decision to get rid of a connection that should be anathema to them.  CAFETY has done a lot of talking, now that there's an opportunity to DO something to move forward, they stumble.

CAFETY stands for "Community Alliance for the Fair and Ethical Treatment of Youth".  Izzy has defended the Whitmore, admitted to a partnership with PURE, and dragged an innocent woman through the mud in an attempt to save face.  There's nothing fair or ethical in Izzy's actions.  CAFETY can't seriously consider it's organization fair and ethical while they remain linked to CAICA.

To the people I know at CAFETY:  I'm sorry, I know you mean well, but this is wretched.  You need to do the right thing.  If the GAO investigation is so important to all of you, don't put yourselves in a compromising position.  The industry will use the CAICA connection to discredit you when their time to be heard comes.  If for no other reason, don't do this to A START.  CAFETY rides on A START's coattails a lot - don't shit on all the things they've done recently by putting them in a bad light because of your poor judgment.
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« Reply #133 on: August 02, 2007, 09:10:11 PM »
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Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
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Cafety could easily solve this matter by denouncing the child-for-profit referral industry and letting people know  they will not link to nor endorse any other organzation that tolerates this disgusting practice in any way, shape or form.

How hard is that?

Cafety has....the only thing that is even still at issue is the connection to another organization that links to another.....and the connection of the chairman of that organization on cafety's board.

the fact that it hasn't happened in a couple days....since people have work schedules to accomodate doesn't mean the issue won't be dealt with further.  

calm down and stop jumping to conclusions that have no merit. If no solution is made, or if when a decision is made you still disagree, then do what you want....but merely attacking people that up until recently you had respect for in many regards is just plain stupid.

http://businessesales.att.com/products_ ... play.jhtml

Link to AT&T web/conference calling services.  Its very easy to set up.  Everyone gets a call in number and time and everyone can discuss the issue at hand.  

It is more than just a link.  A board member is involved with and supports and organization that refers parents to programs.  CAICA also supported proram owners after they were charged with child abuse.  She even wrote a blog about a parent that had a child abused in the program. I am sure someone here could provided the needed links/documentation if you need it.

There are many informative sites.  I asked earlier (twice) and have not recieved a response.  It might be something you want to bring up in your meeting.  What are the advantages to linking to CAICA?  It has been proven that she does and plans to recommend programs.  I am sure someone on here could provide you with links to that documentation.  

Having said that, I don't agree with HEAL that CAFETY had any other agenda besides trying to prepare for a hearing.


This is getting surreal.

I'm not a member of CAFETY for a reason. You assclowns have known about this forever and a day. Don't try this death by committee crap and get of the shitter.
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« Reply #134 on: August 02, 2007, 09:27:12 PM »
Really, we are getting to the threat stage? Respect has been lost for anyone making threats in this whole affair.
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