Izzy changes her mind and blames it all on F nuts

[psy]

From:   psyborgue@mac.com

Hi Mike,
 
These people ruined it for themselves, in my opinion. I would have and could have believed them at one point had they behaved in a decent manner. Instead, they launch at me and were telling lies about me. I saw that with my own eyes when people forwarded e-mails to me that were written by the very people who are feeding information to you now. I knew they were lies because it's my own life and I know the truth about everything I do. So when they lied about me and I saw their very vendictive and mean side, I couldn't believe anything they were saying and have always believed this entire thing about Sue was nothing short of a very ugly vendetta. I've chosen not to read the crap and have for the most part (until recently) stayed off of Fornits and moved on doing my work.
 
Also, one of these players - a woman in her or 40's or 50's - called me last year bashing Sue after the three of us had all been friends. I was pretty shocked by it and decided to call Sue and feel it out. I finally asked if she's spoken to this woman recently and she said yes, have you? The long and short of it is that we caught her slamming each of us to the other, telling absolute lies. After a while we decided to do a three-way call to hear for ourselves. A pretty harsh awakening, it was for both of us.
 
So I think you can see how I've distanced myself from them and really kept away from the crap. None of it seemed believable to me.
 
You'll never find a kid out there that I referred to a program except the one I told you about and there was no choice - it was give the mother Sue's number or he would have stayed in TB. I had to make what I believed was the best decision for the child. In the end it has turned out to be just that and he's doing much better now. I wanted him home and fought to get him home. I lost. Most times I win.
 
Onward!
Isabelle
 
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Isabelle Zehnder
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> >
> > -------------- Original message --------------
> > From: Michael Craw ford
> >
> > > Okey Dokey. When the person who has the email from Sue to Cherly
> > > Sudweeks wakes up, I will ask he/she if he/she is willing to
> > share it
> > > with you.
> > >
> > > As far as the rest of the evidence on sue goes. Let's start with the
> > > WWASP vs. PURE transcripts:
> > >
> > > On page 98, line 23, Sue admits to taking referral fees from Red
> > > Rock. She claims it's OK because she never entered into a "contract"
> > > with Red Rock, but She admits to having a verbal agreement with
> > > them. Sue claims they didn't have to pay her, however, marie peart's
> > > testimony clearly shows that Sue did not refer to those who did not
> > > pay, and had contacted programs who did not pay about the matter. On
> > > page 101, line 6, she admits the re was a verbal "agreement" (oral
> > > contract) that they would pay her. She claims that if they missed a
> > > child referral or too (pauses to watch her words) "there was no
> > > system in place". Marie Peart's testimony should clearly demonstrate
> > > that although there may have, techincally, been no "system" in
> > place,
> > > there were consequences for not paying referral fees to Sue.
> > >
> > > On page 100, line 15, Sue admits to taking referral fees from Cedar
> > > Mountain Academy and again claims there was no contract. The
> > > somewhat witty WWASP attorney, Mr Silverstien, replies: "They just
> > > paid you out of the goodness of their heart?".
> > >
> > > On page 101, she admits to taking referral fees from Sorenson's
> > > Ranch, Hilltop Ranch, and "isn't certain" she got paid for Lo st
> > Legacy.
> > >
> > > On page 102, Line 23, she admits to posting on
> > StrugglingTeens.com as
> > > various people, referring her service s, until Lon gave her the boot
> > > (competition).
> > >
> > > Pages that follow concern contact with Utah residents (to establish
> > > jurisdiction)
> > >
> > > On page 108, Line 22, (sorry, couldn't resist) Sue demonstrates a
> > > hilarious lack of knowledge of the legal definition of "duress" the
> > > pages surrounding this concern a point by point "Q. is this your
> > > signature here ... A. Yes.. but i really didn't mean to sign
> > this.. i
> > > was stressed out" regarding Ashlyn's Carolina Springs contract. I
> > > totally agree with her, however, that the school was misrepresented
> > > to her... Similar t o how she described Whitmore as like a "summer
> > > camp" to one parent. (but I'll get to that in a bit)
> > >
> > > on page 143, Line 24, the WWASP attorney accuses Sue (well not
> > > technically, since he added "didn't you?") of destroying
> > documents on
> > > her computer. She claims not to have deleted anything. The W WASP
> > > attorney explains she had a setting "so that any document on the
> > > computer more than 24 hours was eliminated". Sue responds, claiming
> > > "that was always -- that is a computer setting that I have had for
> > > years." That is one reason why Carey Bock decided to sell
> > > information about PURE to WWASP (not that I aggree with it, but in
> > > her opinion (as well as others), PURE was just competition for
> > WWASP,
> > > sue didn't truly care about the kids, and she wanted a way to expose
> > > the truth.) People on Trekkers were enraged that this was done,
> > > however, since Carey was booted off Trekkers by that point (as she
> > > alleges, for trying to expose the truth about PURE, which BK DeLong
> > > censored) she never had a chance to defend her reasons for doing so.
> > >
> > > on page 164, Line 24, Sue admits that helpyourteens.com was started
> > > in Febuary of 2001, and pure was established as a 501(c). Within a
> > > year, it was changed to an S-Corp. This whole page (165) is good.
> > > Take note that in her testimony here, she states that she had no
> > > _salaried_ staff. "Besides myself and Sandra and some woman that
> > > would -- we were parents helping parents ... As far as paid staff,
> > > no, there was Sandra and myself. On line 17, Sue admits that PURE's
> &g t; > original name was Parents Universal REFERRAL Agency. It was later
> > > changed to "resource".
> > >
> > > on page 170, Line 12, Sue explains that she does not always visit
> > > schools herself, and often relies on parent volunteers. In your
> > > opinion as and advocate, Isabelle, if industry "professionals" such
> > > as educational consultants are fooled.. how likely is it that
> > parnets
> > > would be Saavy enough to see past a guided "tour" of a program. I,
> > > Personally, was fooled when I visited Benchmark, and so were my
> > > parents. A friend of mind toured, and si gned himself into, Spring
> > > Creek Lodge. Even if parents had prior experiences with the
> > > industry, different schools have different means of manipulation,
> > and
> > > different things to hide. It is very easy to sa y "well.. i don't see
> > > what i saw at the last place.. this seems ok". I know a parent who
> > > did that .. many (embarrassingly, very many) .. times.
> > >
> > > On page 171, Line 3, she explains that she had a "friend" visit
> > Cedar
> > > Mountain Academy and meet with Dr. Bernie and Arlene Farrow. Oddly
> > > enough... She didn't mention that in her deposition (as pointed
> > out),
> > > which, she conveniently can't remember at the time she is under
> > > examination. On page 12, it is revealed that that "friend" is none
> > > other than Gayle DeDraff (Aka Gayle Palmer, responsible for Michelle
> > > Sutton's death), who was, at that time, admissions director at Red
> > > Rock Canyon Schools. You wonder why Cathy was ups et with you? Now
> > > you know. On line 19, "She is the one that looked into it for us
> > > because she knew -- we had been referring to Red Rock. And Red rock
> > > and Cedar Mountain are two completely different schools and they
> > were
> > > looking for a transitional school for even the kids that were coming
> > > out of Red Rock."... Whoo... no conflict of interest there. If you
> > > think "Well... Maybe this Gayle woman just made a mistake... you
> > > should really contact Cathy, who keeps tabs on her better than the
> > > FBI". If you think Sue Scheff was ignorant... Well. I don't
> > > believe that, and even if you do, it demonstrates perfectly the
> > types
> > > of problems conflicts of interest (even casual friendships with
> > > program owners.) In this case, since Gayle palmer was the ADMISSIONS
> > > director at Red Rock (where, yes.. another girl died tragically),
> > she
> > > would have also had a... how did sue put it... "verbal agr
> > eement" to
> > > hand out money to Sue for referrals. On page 172, line 2, Sue quicly
> > > tries to add "I did have a parent volunteer visit Gayle DeGraff and
> > > that school, sir". If you think a parent wouldn't be fooled by a
> > > woman such as Gayle DeGraff, I suggest you tell that to Cathy
> > > Sutton's face.
> > >
> > > On page 174, Line 4, it is revealed that Cedar Mountain sued Barnie
> > > and Arlene Farrow for misrepresenting their credentials to Cedar
> > > mountain (I am privy to information confirming that allegation as
> > > accurate...). Not surprisingly, Mr Henriksen (who probably saw where
> > > this was headed), for the first time in a long time, raises an
> > > objection to this line of questioning on the basis of relevancy. The
> > > judge agreed. On line 22, Sue admits she has no firsthand experience
> > > with Dr. Farrow... She had relied on the firsthand experience of
> > > parents (who by no means can be foole d in this industry) and the
> > word
> > > of (in my opinion) a woman with blood on her hands.
> > >
> > > A little background on Gayle. She worked for Steve Cartisano. She
> > > was the owner/operator of the infamous Summit Quest program. Other
> > > programs? Top Flite, Red Rock (where Katie Lank died). She worked
> > > for Teen Solutions as a "parent consultant" (nice marketing tactic,
> > > eh?). She worked at Liahona (and is _highly_ suspected to still be
> > > working there). She is suspected to have worked for/at Key point and
> > > Silverado Boys Ranch. She is known to refer to those schools and Top
> ; > > Flight, Red Cliff Ascent, and Distant Drums. (I can't name sources
> > > for some of that information, but they are first hand accounts of
> > > people who I very much trust and who have no reason to lie about the
> > > subject. The way they aquired the information... just don't ask).
> > >
> > > I will send you more tomorrow. I hav e sticky notes all over my copy
> > > of the transcripts and am typing it down now (eventually to add to
> > > the pdf, with hyperlinks and all). I've transcribed a hundred pages
> > > of notes today, and will transcribe a hundred pages of notes
> > > tomorrow. I could simply scan the stickies, but it would take longer
> > > than typing, and i guarantee you would never be able to read the
> > > handwriting.
> > >
> > > Take care, and I hope this sheds a little light on why pe ople are
> > > upset with you associating with Sue Scheff. As soon as I get a copy
> > > of the letter telling Cheryl to sue you, I will send it to you.
> > >
> > > Peace (as long as there is a reasonable doubt of your knowledge of
> > > this),
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jul 21, 2007, at 3:59 AM, Isabelle Zehnder wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Michael,
> > > >
> > > > I just wanted to let you know I got busy this afternoon/evening
> > and
> > > ; > will get the e-mails to you tomorrow. Please send me the
> > > > information you talked about so I can review it. I'm glad we had a
> > > > chance to talk.
> > > >
> > > > Isabelle
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Isabelle Zehnder
> > > > Founder and President
> > > > Coalition Against Institutionalized Child Abuse (CAICA)
> > > > Tel: 360-369-6547
> > > > Fax: 484-991-1828
> > > > E-mail: www.caica.org
> > > >
> > > > The information in this e-mail message is intended for the
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> > > > mail in error, please notify us immediately at (360) 369-6547.
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message --------------
> > > > From: Michael Crawford
> > > >
> > > > > This is Michael Crawford
> > >

[Anonymous]

WTF?

Izzy referred a kid to PURE to get him out of TB?

What program is the kid in?  Did SS make a commission?

[Anonymous]

PSY: if Isabelle Zehnder disclosed where she and Sue Scheff/PURE placed this child; when are you going to reveal this program?

[psy]

WTF?

Izzy referred a kid to PURE to get him out of TB?

What program is the kid in?

I asked her... She said it might have been Sorensons.

Did SS make a commission?

NO!  Of course not!  It's just Parents Helping Parents(tm)

[Anonymous]

And who DUPED Isabelle Zehnder into making this referral?  Is she going to blame this referral on her friend Sue Scheff?

[psy]

BTW.. i got lots more.  This is just a small taster.

[Anonymous]

Heard this placement by Isabelle Zehnder and Sue Scheff, P.U.R.E. might have been to Harbor Oaks Boarding School in North Carolina; where Sue Scheff's long-time friends Bernie and Arlene Farrow were/or still are employeed.
Could there have possibly have been more than one referral/placement by Isabelle Zehnder?  Could that be the "confusion?"

[Anonymous]

Does Isabelle Zehnder remember what transport company(S) she used to get the kid(S) to the program(S) she referred to?

Or couldn't she remember this little detail, either?

[psy]

Heard this placement by Isabelle Zehnder and Sue Scheff, P.U.R.E. might have been to Harbor Oaks Boarding School in North Carolina;

That girl, Isabelle claims, came from Carolina Springs.

where Sue Scheff's long-time friends Bernie and Arlene Farrow were/or still are employeed.
Could there have possibly have been more than one referral/placement by Isabelle Zehnder?  Could that be the "confusion?"

That is correct.

See my comment in the other thread:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=273143#273143

[psy]

Does Isabelle Zehnder remember what transport company(S) she used to get the kid(S) to the program(S) she referred to?

Or couldn't she remember this little detail, either?

See Sandy's comment on the matter here:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=273017#273017

She also confirmed she did use Sunrise (though she claims she was very upset when she found out it was WWASP associated).  Considering it's down the street from CCM, and Sunrise was very open about it when called on the phone, I don't see how she could have been ignorant, and if that was the case, it is negligence of incredible proportion.

[Anonymous]

Let me get this straight:
 Isbelle Zehnder admits she referred a boy from Tranquility Bay to a program through Sue Scheff/Pure and the program was possibly Sorenson's Ranch.

And Isabelle Zehnder admits she referred a girl from Carolina Springs to Harbor Oaks Boarding School in N.C?  Was this placement made through Sue Scheff/Pure, also?

[psy]

Let me get this straight:
 Isbelle Zehnder admits she referred a boy from Tranquility Bay to a program through Sue Scheff/Pure and the program was possibly Sorenson's Ranch.

And Isabelle Zehnder admits she referred a girl from Carolina Springs to Harbor Oaks Boarding School in N.C?  Was this placement made through Sue Scheff/Pure, also?

She did not specify, as far as I remember, but I assume so (although it could have been directly).

[Joyce Harris]

Isabelle Zehnder,

From the postings on Fornits; it appears you read this forum, much like many read daily devotionals.

So, since you have made me the subject of your BLOG; and have advertised that I will be featured in upcoming blogs to be written by your and your friend, Sue Scheff---

I wanted to take this opportunity to say:
IF you have actually referred a child from Tranquility Bay to a program---which you can't seem to recall the name of (perhaps it was Sorenson's Ranch?); and IF you have referred a child from  Carolina Springs to  Harbor Oaks Boarding School in NC:

I do hope that you will not try to master-mind some way to BLAME ME FOR these two referrals that you may have made, OK?
I, Joyce Harris had/and have nothing to do with your business decisions--Mrs. Zenhnder.  .

Thank you very much.

[Anonymous]

Hi Joyce. :rofl:

[Anonymous]

Izzy, seriously..... we know when it's you posting.