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« Reply #60 on: July 19, 2007, 07:52:52 PM »
4th time here Mom:

Bring your son home.
Be a parent.
If you need outside guidance: hire a licensed, professional therapist.

It's not that difficult.
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« Reply #61 on: July 19, 2007, 07:54:40 PM »
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See that's the thing, I am bringing him home against their wishes, oh freakin' well.  Because he hasn't done well in the school everyone is telling me since he's not done well, and isn't finishing, that I should give him an exit to the street, with a phone card, food card, yada yada yada.  No way am I going to do that.   And no, I am not actup, I haven't posted a name.  I just post under guest.

Personally, I think everyone in my house could use a exit plan, but that's just me, and me included at times. :rofl:


I haven't read this whole thing(and won't) but what "everyone" is telling you to do is an exit plan. You kick the kid out on the street for not working the program, you do not want an exit plan. I suggest an apology to him first and then work on rebuilding the trust you screwed by sending him away to get programed.

I'm not trying to jump the gun but anyone who would give you the fear mongering bullshit you described above urging you to kick your son out on the street is an abusive prick, just imagine what this mentality does when it has complete control over you....
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« Reply #62 on: July 19, 2007, 07:54:48 PM »
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LOOK.. Program told my parents that if they took me home I would be a monster.  Most parents listened.  Their kids arn't doing so well for the most part.  My parents did not listen, and against the dire warnings from program, took me home.  We learned ways to get along, and I am doing more than a little fine right now.  That would not have happened if program had got it's way.

Don't know how it was for you psy, but parents should expect their kid to have some issues after Program -- PTSD, learned helplessness, depression, maybe lots of things. Homecoming is not the time for behavior contracts and high expectations. It's a time for healing, and kindness and understanding.


When you are a kid who is desperate, you take what you are offered.  Some parents are willing to listen, some aren't.   Mine weren't (at least not at first), but I didn't much feel like talking to them about it much anyway, so it wasn't too much of a problem.  If my parents had heard from someobody else, the same thing that his/her kid was telling him/her... they would have no choice other than to believe (how else would the stories coincide).  I am not talking about behavior contracts or high expectations...  However I know from bitter personal experience that chances are a lot better for a kid at home, than with nothing on the streets.

Do parents realize taht when you have nothing on the streets, you do what you have to do to survive?  Given that you start to stink after a while, and you need and address and phone to get a job... what are the realistic chances of getting somewhere legitimately?  It practically forces a kid to choose crime / drugs / prostitution.  And when you believe you will fail, and when you believe you are shit.. and when nothing really matters anymore...  In my book, putting a kid in that situation is tantamount to murder, and so-called "transitional programs" in my experience, only traumatically postpone that grim end.

Parent.  Call me up and i'll tell you some things kids I KNOW did to survive on the streets.
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« Reply #63 on: July 19, 2007, 07:54:54 PM »
Oz Girl, I recognize that program crap about saving his life, doesn't work for me.  I only kept him out of jail.  We both know where we stand on that.  And he's alright with that and also ready to come home.

He's written out some things he wants to do, his plan, and it looks great on paper.  I think, however, with all the stuff he's put on there, that he's just overwhelming himself, or he'll soon realize he's overwhelmed.  I think he just needs to take it slow and not jump into a bunch of things when he does get home, but I am not going to stop him either.

I think he knows our values, what we expect, and is willing to deal with it.  We have to compromise on some things, and that's alright too.  I just want everyone on the same page, and it's hard when we are not, and that's the whole family basically.  

This is a contract, I think it will be,  for the whole family, not just our son.
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« Reply #64 on: July 19, 2007, 07:57:07 PM »
What happens if the contract is broken? Do you all receive the same punishment?
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« Reply #65 on: July 19, 2007, 07:58:12 PM »
When you have a kid who has some problems to a larger extent than average, whatever they are, parenting and home are going to be stressful. Period.

That's basically my advice.

I have a major mental illness, my child has some problems that I no longer describe, but they aren't her fault or anybody else's. Even if everybody does everything right, including her doing everything right, it could still kill her. We can reduce but not eliminate the risk, and I have to live with that every single day.

Parenting is going to be stressful. Find yourself a good therapist for yourself and go. Talk to your therapist, listen to your therapist.

There is no road map. We're all winging it. When your kid is having more problems than average, your average parental support system isn't going to be enough. Get help for yourself. Use it.

The only "exit plan" that will work with your kid is that you cope. Every kid is different, every family situation is different, every day with every kid is radically different.

Sure, it feels like the same old same old, or like it goes in cycles. Problem is, every minute it has the potential to turn radically different right then.

You're winging it. The only way to cope is to have an experienced support system that's winging it with you.

Oh, and avoid blaming your kid. It's not useful.

The Programs have it almost right when they talk about "what works"--the thing is, too many of them will do horrible things in the name of "what works" and rationalize that the ends justify the means.

You do "what works" in the context of normal societal rules of being a decent human being in how you treat other people. Blame doesn't work.

You may not be able to rescue your child. You can cope, you can do what you can that's consistent with being a decent person and has a chance of helping.

But your kid is a separate individual person from you and can rise or fall on his own no matter what you do. And if he falls, it may just not be anyone's fault.

I think parents sometimes use Programs because that's way too hard a fact to accept. There's so much emotional pressure from loving your kid to "do something" that people go off and do a wrong something that makes things worse. They don't mean to, for many it's just a denial based panic.

If you do everything you can, "you can" being in the context of your best judgment at the time and staying healthy yourself, your kid may still sink instead of swim.

If your kid does everything he can, "he can" being in the context of him being screwed up and it maybe looking like his fault but not being, he may still sink instead of swim.

Life sucks sometimes, including some damned awful truths.

Get a very good therapist to help you cope with that sucky fact, and follow through with your stated intent of going and getting your kid. ASAP on that last bit. A Program isn't a safe place to be.

Julie
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« Reply #66 on: July 19, 2007, 08:00:08 PM »
You want this boy to sign a CONTRACT?

Lady you need to listen.  You SIGNED A CONTRACT when you enrolled this kid in this program.

You need to be thinking PARENTING and family; not contracts!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #67 on: July 19, 2007, 08:00:34 PM »
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See that's the thing, I am bringing him home against their wishes, oh freakin' well.  Because he hasn't done well in the school everyone is telling me since he's not done well, and isn't finishing, that I should give him an exit to the street, with a phone card, food card, yada yada yada.  No way am I going to do that.   And no, I am not actup, I haven't posted a name.  I just post under guest.

Personally, I think everyone in my house could use a exit plan, but that's just me, and me included at times. :rofl:


Sounds like a nice place.  :roll:  Go pick him up already.
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« Reply #68 on: July 19, 2007, 08:05:14 PM »
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Oz Girl, I recognize that program crap about saving his life, doesn't work for me.  I only kept him out of jail.  We both know where we stand on that.  And he's alright with that and also ready to come home.

He's written out some things he wants to do, his plan, and it looks great on paper.  I think, however, with all the stuff he's put on there, that he's just overwhelming himself, or he'll soon realize he's overwhelmed.  I think he just needs to take it slow and not jump into a bunch of things when he does get home, but I am not going to stop him either.

I think he knows our values, what we expect, and is willing to deal with it.  We have to compromise on some things, and that's alright too.  I just want everyone on the same page, and it's hard when we are not, and that's the whole family basically.  

This is a contract, I think it will be,  for the whole family, not just our son.


I have a copy of the Exit-plan letter you most likely recieved.  Is this it?
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« Reply #69 on: July 19, 2007, 08:05:33 PM »
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He's had some mess ups while away, but has managed to finish high school a year ahead of schedule. I don't want to expect too much from him so as not to get upset if he does mess up, but I can't be the hardass everyone wants me to be.

Sincerely.

First post of the thread.

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Because he hasn't done well in the school everyone is telling me since he's not done well, and isn't finishing,

A few minutes ago.

Why does this poster seem to evade direct questions and change their story so much?


 :rofl:
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« Reply #70 on: July 19, 2007, 08:08:20 PM »
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You want this boy to sign a CONTRACT?


Little fact about contract law: contracts are invalid if signed under duress.  Tear it up and make up a new one when he gets home, negotiated without the program middleman.  And forget all that bullshit you learned in those Premier Education workshops (it's nothing but cult dogma (based on Lifespring), and full of innacuracies, exaggerations, and outright lies about your kid.)
Very important question about the ExitPlan:  Is this it?
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« Reply #71 on: July 19, 2007, 08:15:15 PM »
Psy, check your private messages, I sent you one.
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« Reply #72 on: July 19, 2007, 08:25:14 PM »
That exit plan you put up there Psy, looks just like the one Premier gave us.  I haven't seen this schools exit plan or suggested plan, in fact, they don't have us doing seminars and all that bullshit, thank God.  He's leaving too early, so we never even got that far.

The exit plans I am getting are from my friends I told you about.

And troll, did you notice I am ignoring you?

Edited:  As far as his exit plan, or what he see's, he's working off Premier's example, so was I, or at least some of the stuff.  You're right about the exit though, because the other part has to do with throwing him out if he doesn't follow it, which I am not going to do.
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« Reply #73 on: July 19, 2007, 08:34:17 PM »
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Assuming that you are for real

If I only had a dollar for every time I've read this phrase here... Wow, like are there any real OPs here anymore?
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« Reply #74 on: July 19, 2007, 08:34:45 PM »
Oz girl, I almost forgot, I am going to rent a motorhome, or borrow my moms, and take him to the beach for a week.  He loves the beach, and pretty much grew up there.

And Psy, no, I wasn't going to have him "sign" a contract.   Hadn't really thought about him signing it, just having it for reference and clarification of the house values, which would be all the things we agreed to.  He has just as much input on this, unlike what I think Premier does, my way or the highway crap.

edited:  I know he's going to mess up, so that's no surprise.  Shit, even I mess up.
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