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Pani Issues Report Amid Chaos at Dundee Ranch
Anonymous:
What you aren't hearing is that the chaos started because an alcoholic non-custodial parent went there to see her daughter. The girl didn't even want to see this mother, that's when this mother brought in the authorities. Could this is the same person who has been writing all the attacks (Carey??) on this site? She hurt a lot of kids and parents by doing this for whatever motives she had for herself. Did you know that out of the 200 kids there, 170 said they wanted to stay! What purpose would they have in saying they wanted to stay when they knew they didn't have to and there was no fear from saying this? From what I've read here, this "slam" sight is full of angry people that 1- have no experience of the positive results it creates (no, it's not a cult and if you had experience of it you would know that) 2-teens that spent a long time there and did nothing or little with the gift their parents were giving them, or 3- teens that manipulated their parents into believing they were being abused or starved or whatever just to get a ticket home. (gee, what got them there in the first place??) Dundee is closing until the allegations are checked out and proven to be false. Just like any newspaper article, go ahead and believe what you read if you choose to,but know there is SO MUCH more to this story from those that know what really happened. Do you really think there are 200 parents that are stupid enough to knowingly put their child in danger? And yes, plenty of them had been there more than once. A little secret...most kids in the beginning will say ANYTHING to come home and abuse is the number one tactic because they think it will work. My son has been home for almost 3 years from another WWASP facility and I KNOW what it taught him and my family has worked for the long term. Most of us wouldn't even think of posting on this site, because it's such a negative place to be - so many assumptions - let the investigation tell the truth. My educated experience comes from Cross Creek Programs -
METALGOD8:
Well, you must be that one person that was "saved" after having your son thrown to the lions and I suppose you got your money's worth in the meantime. As more time passes, I doubt you will say the same thing.
What lack of parent skills created the situation where you could not control your child to the point where you saw fit to pay someone to do such terrible things to him? Being stupid has nothing to do with that. You could be the most intelligent person on Earth, so what?
I went through straight inc 20 years ago and graduated with all the honors. Back then, I was all gung ho too. If you only took some time to see what the overall picture of WWASP is, maybe you might have a different view of these places. Does your son know anyone from these cross creek programs that are dead now from suicide? Please get your head out of the sand, thank you.
MG8 :smokin:
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2003-05-26 21:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What you aren't hearing is that the chaos started because an alcoholic non-custodial parent went there to see her daughter.
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No, actually, what started all the trouble was a former academy director, Amberly Knight, wrote to the Costa Rican minister for child welfare, saying that "Dundee Ranch Academy should not be allowed to operate because it is poorly managed, takes financial advantage of parents in crisis, and puts teens in physical and emotional risk."
[New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/27/inter ... &position= ]
--- Quote --- The girl didn't even want to see this mother, that's when this mother brought in the authorities. Could this is the same person who has been writing all the attacks (Carey??) on this site?
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Carey's sons are already out. And I have to say, that lady has my admiration. It must have taken some considerable raw courage along with fast thinking to walk right in, break out with those two boys and then talk her way past Customs and Immigration, despite the fact that the staff at Dundee had their pasports locked in a safe back at the office. ::bangin:: " --IBID
That, in the more comonly accepted reality, is the sort of thing most people think of when you say something like "A lot of kids were hurt".
--- Quote ---From what I've read here, this "slam" sight is full of angry people that 1- have no experience of the positive results it creates (no, it's not a cult and if you had experience of it you would know that) 2-teens that spent a long time there and did nothing or little with the gift their parents were giving them, or 3- teens that manipulated their parents into believing they were being abused or starved or whatever just to get a ticket home. (gee, what got them there in the first place??)
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Well, there are currently 493 registered users, 84 of whom have posted in the last 30 days and 13 of whom have registered in the past week. Then there are the considerable number of anonymous posters. As far as I know, not one teenager. In fact, most of us could well be described as "over the hill". And most of us have had considerably more experience with this Synanon based cult than you have yet. See, we've all come out the other end and have the benefit of hind-sight. You, my friend and spiritual brother (or sister) are still deep in the fog. Come back when you've quit drinking the kool aid.
--- Quote ---Dundee is closing until the allegations are checked out and proven to be false.
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Or when Hell freezes over, whichever comes first. :wink:
--- Quote ---Just like any newspaper article, go ahead and believe what you read if you choose to,but know there is SO MUCH more to this story from those that know what really happened.
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I'm Tryin' ta' tell ya', friend!
--- Quote ---Do you really think there are 200 parents that are stupid enough to knowingly put their child in danger?
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Do you believe there are millions of people stupid enough to buy into EST, Scientology and Jim and Tammy Baker? Were there another 50k or so parents stupid enough to buy into Straight, Inc. and untold numbers more who continue to get sucked dry by this same cult under it's new names?
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
--Albert Einstein
--- Quote --- And yes, plenty of them had been there more than once. A little secret...most kids in the beginning will say ANYTHING to come home and abuse is the number one tactic because they think it will work. My son has been home for almost 3 years from another WWASP facility and I KNOW what it taught him and my family has worked for the long term. Most of us wouldn't even think of posting on this site, because it's such a negative place to be - so many assumptions - let the investigation tell the truth. My educated experience comes from Cross Creek Programs - "
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Funny, so many of these kids get shackled in their beds and even drugged to get them to these virtual paradises because they're chronic runaways. And now you're saying that all they ever wanted was to go home? That seems rather odd, don't you think? And, if the problem was running away, and suddenly the kid wants nothing more than the warmth and affection of their loving and faultless[sic] parents, then why don't they just declare the kid cured and send them back to good old mom and pop?
Honey, I'd be willing to bet good money that your son has tried to tell you how phucked up that place was. You don't want to hear it. You seem to have a gift for selective perception.
Emotions rule the world; Is it any wonder that it's so mucked up?!
Anonymity Anonymous
Carey:
I want to help you get the facts straight.
First, I am not an alcoholic, as I only have a drink maybe two or three times a year.
Second, I don't have a daughter who was at Dundee, I have twin boys who were at Dundee.
Third, I was at Dundee in October of last year and I did not bring any authorities with me, I brought a news reporter, an educational consultant and two body guards. (I took the reporter so there would be a record and I took the other three individuals because they had already been there and they knew what I would encounter.)
Fourth, Dundee is closing because of human rights violations.
"Do you really think there are 200 parents that are stupid enough to knowingly put their child in danger?" NO, I don't think that at all. I am not going to call anybody stupid, I would have to know them personally to be able to make that determination. However, from your post and the statements made thereon, I do question where you get your facts. This is what I think about the 200 parents who had children at Dundee. I beleive alot of the 200 parents were deceived by the marketing techniques that WWASP uses. I beleive that some parents are in denial, maybe such as yourself, because they are afraid and they want so badly for their kids to be ok. And, I beleive that some parents really don't care.
All I did was turn on a light so that the other millions of people in the US and abroad could see the choice that some parents were making in regard to "straigening out their children." If it is determined that what was going on down there at Dundee, was not abusive, then so be it. But you and I both know that won't be the case. So for those like you who are angry with me, you are angry because I have made others aware of your choice. I have made others aware of what I beleive is abusive. That is all that I have done.
So, let's let the investigation tell the truth. But when all is said and done, lets beleive what is disclosed from doing so.
METALGOD8:
Best get the hip waders on, golly jeez. :question:
MG8 :smokin:
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