Author Topic: Restraint Death at Rainbow Ranch, Florida  (Read 9061 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Ursus

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 8989
  • Karma: +3/-0
    • View Profile
Fake doctor dispensed prescriptions, police say
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2010, 12:49:27 AM »
St. Petersburg Times
Fake doctor dispensed prescriptions, police say
Published December 20, 2000

DELRAY BEACH -- A man who told his girlfriend he was a doctor has been charged with prescribing drugs without a license to her sister and father, who was made seriously ill by the medication, police said.

David Glatt, 31, is charged with two counts of practicing medicine and giving out prescription drugs without a license and one count of culpable negligence for allegedly injuring Therese Felth's father, Lars.

Angelina Felth told investigators Glatt claimed to be a neurosurgeon when he began dating her sister, Therese. Lars Felth told police Glatt gave him a business card saying he was a neurosurgeon at the Ryder Trauma Center in Miami. Police said Glatt gave Angelina Felth more than 200 Prozac pills, saying they were sleeping pills. Prozac is a prescription drug used to treat patients with depression.

Lars Felth said Glatt gave him pills that made him violently ill. The pills were a prescription drug that triggers vomiting, hyperventilation and vertigo if someone taking it drinks alcohol.

Lars Felth, a recovering alcoholic, hired a private investigator, who discovered that Glatt was unlicensed and didn't have a medical degree from the University of Miami as he claimed. Lars Felth then called state authorities.


© 2006 St. Petersburg Times
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
-------------- • -------------- • --------------

Offline Ursus

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 8989
  • Karma: +3/-0
    • View Profile
Fake doctor dispensed prescriptions, police say
« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2010, 12:51:37 AM »
St. Petersburg Times
Fake doctor dispensed prescriptions, police say
Published December 20, 2000

DELRAY BEACH -- A man who told his girlfriend he was a doctor has been charged with prescribing drugs without a license to her sister and father, who was made seriously ill by the medication, police said.

David Glatt, 31, is charged with two counts of practicing medicine and giving out prescription drugs without a license and one count of culpable negligence for allegedly injuring Therese Felth's father, Lars.

Angelina Felth told investigators Glatt claimed to be a neurosurgeon when he began dating her sister, Therese. Lars Felth told police Glatt gave him a business card saying he was a neurosurgeon at the Ryder Trauma Center in Miami. Police said Glatt gave Angelina Felth more than 200 Prozac pills, saying they were sleeping pills. Prozac is a prescription drug used to treat patients with depression.

Lars Felth said Glatt gave him pills that made him violently ill. The pills were a prescription drug that triggers vomiting, hyperventilation and vertigo if someone taking it drinks alcohol.

Lars Felth, a recovering alcoholic, hired a private investigator, who discovered that Glatt was unlicensed and didn't have a medical degree from the University of Miami as he claimed. Lars Felth then called state authorities.


© 2006 St. Petersburg Times
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
-------------- • -------------- • --------------

Offline Whooter

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 5513
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Restraint Death at Rainbow Ranch, Florida
« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2010, 07:40:23 AM »
State regulation does not seem to be very effective in catching people like this (at least in the state of Florida).  Seems a bit risky to have “many” small group homes versus “one” or “Two” larger place.  A larger more centralized program would be easier to regulate and would reduce the man-power.



...
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Ursus

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 8989
  • Karma: +3/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Restraint Death at Rainbow Ranch, Florida
« Reply #33 on: May 04, 2010, 11:35:45 AM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
State regulation does not seem to be very effective in catching people like this (at least in the state of Florida).  Seems a bit risky to have "many" small group homes versus "one" or "Two" larger place.  A larger more centralized program would be easier to regulate and would reduce the man-power.
Ah, but having smaller places was part of the deinstitutionalization movement. Some kids appear to do better in a more family-like environment, particularly the younger ones.

In Florida, Marianna was the breaking point (~900 kids?). That's when they brought in Oliver Keller in the late 1960s, who tried to dismantle the large brutal institutions, putting multiple smaller programs in their place.

As usual per Florida, funding was a problem. My guess is that the state became very friendly towards private initiative in this sector, possibly even Art Barker's The Seed. Keller even partnered with a couple of juvie court judges and Louis de la Parte to create his own such program, then called Associated Marine Institutes (AMI), now known as AMIkids and now also substantially larger than in its early days.

Keller was also considered to be a real expert in the new-fangled methods of behavior modification. That is, doing away with the physical brutality and coercion and substituting a "kinder, gentler" approach. Things like William Glasser's Reality Therapy and Lloyd McCorkle's Guided Group Interaction, the forerunner of Positive Peer Culture, for example.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
-------------- • -------------- • --------------

Offline Whooter

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 5513
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Restraint Death at Rainbow Ranch, Florida
« Reply #34 on: May 04, 2010, 04:09:17 PM »
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Whooter"
State regulation does not seem to be very effective in catching people like this (at least in the state of Florida).  Seems a bit risky to have "many" small group homes versus "one" or "Two" larger place.  A larger more centralized program would be easier to regulate and would reduce the man-power.
Ah, but having smaller places was part of the deinstitutionalization movement. Some kids appear to do better in a more family-like environment, particularly the younger ones.

In Florida, Marianna was the breaking point (~900 kids?). That's when they brought in Oliver Keller in the late 1960s, who tried to dismantle the large brutal institutions, putting multiple smaller programs in their place.

As usual per Florida, funding was a problem. My guess is that the state became very friendly towards private initiative in this sector, possibly even Art Barker's The Seed. Keller even partnered with a couple of juvie court judges and Louis de la Parte to create his own such program, then called Associated Marine Institutes (AMI), now known as AMIkids and now also substantially larger than in its early days.

Keller was also considered to be a real expert in the new-fangled methods of behavior modification. That is, doing away with the physical brutality and coercion and substituting a "kinder, gentler" approach. Things like William Glasser's Reality Therapy and Lloyd McCorkle's Guided Group Interaction, the forerunner of Positive Peer Culture, for example.

I expect it to continue this way for decades to come… centralize and then grow too big again….. tear it down and make it more local, personalize it and make it softer…. Then start the cycle again with each time learning from past mistakes (hopefully).
Especially when we get the cycle of Democrats and Republicans who tackle problems differently.



...
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Ursus

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 8989
  • Karma: +3/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Restraint Death at Rainbow Ranch, Florida
« Reply #35 on: May 05, 2010, 11:59:23 AM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Ursus"
Keller was also considered to be a real expert in the new-fangled methods of behavior modification. That is, doing away with the physical brutality and coercion and substituting a "kinder, gentler" approach. Things like William Glasser's Reality Therapy and Lloyd McCorkle's Guided Group Interaction, the forerunner of Positive Peer Culture, for example.
I expect it to continue this way for decades to come… centralize and then grow too big again….. tear it down and make it more local, personalize it and make it softer…. Then start the cycle again with each time learning from past mistakes (hopefully).
Especially when we get the cycle of Democrats and Republicans who tackle problems differently.
I had put "kinder, gentler" regarding the approach in quotes for a reason: it isn't necessarily kinder nor gentler ... nor "softer," as you put it. Coercion always has its cost. Some psychological wounds run so deep that not even a lifetime's worth of struggle can unravel the tangled mess.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
-------------- • -------------- • --------------

Offline DannyB II

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 3273
  • Karma: +5/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Restraint Death at Rainbow Ranch, Florida
« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2010, 06:41:01 PM »
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Ursus"
Keller was also considered to be a real expert in the new-fangled methods of behavior modification. That is, doing away with the physical brutality and coercion and substituting a "kinder, gentler" approach. Things like William Glasser's Reality Therapy and Lloyd McCorkle's Guided Group Interaction, the forerunner of Positive Peer Culture, for example.
I expect it to continue this way for decades to come… centralize and then grow too big again….. tear it down and make it more local, personalize it and make it softer…. Then start the cycle again with each time learning from past mistakes (hopefully).
Especially when we get the cycle of Democrats and Republicans who tackle problems differently.
I had put "kinder, gentler" regarding the approach in quotes for a reason: it isn't necessarily kinder nor gentler ... nor "softer," as you put it. Coercion always has its cost. Some psychological wounds run so deep that not even a lifetime's worth of struggle can unravel the tangled mess.


 :shamrock:  :shamrock:

Coercion hmmmmm........Does any of this have to do with parents....kinder,gentler or softer. Your right some psychological wounds do run deep, very deep that not even a entire lifetime can heal.
Lets be fair and start at the beginning, how this whole ball of wax started, if we can compartmentalize that well then we should be able to put the programs in their proper perspective.
All this bullshit (our problems individually and collectively in our families) was going on long before most of us even stepped one foot in a program, our lives were just a bit skewed. If you think not your lying to us and to yourself. This is how these programs are able to operate and succeed because parents, school faculty, Doctors, Clinicians..ect are educated to think they work. They are skewed in their thoughts, why? Who they fuck knows.It is anyone's guess in my opinion and there are many.
This program did this and that and what the fuck ever, all this debating and bickering back and forth, calling one another names and what not. For what????? So you can be right.
Sit back and look at it objectively really you will see that Whooter is right and you are Ursus, both very equally. I am not kidding either.
I have always felt it started with the parents and I still do, if we fix the parents no need for programs.
Fat chance on that, just like fat chance we stop all programs.
Yet we still have to try and I will as I'm sure you folks will.

Danny
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
Stand and fight, till there is no more.

Offline Anne Bonney

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 5006
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Restraint Death at Rainbow Ranch, Florida
« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2010, 07:45:05 PM »
Quote from: "DannyB II"

Coercion hmmmmm........Does any of this have to do with parents....kinder,gentler or softer. Your right some psychological wounds do run deep, very deep that not even a entire lifetime can heal.
Lets be fair and start at the beginning, how this whole ball of wax started, if we can compartmentalize that well then we should be able to put the programs in their proper perspective.
All this bullshit (our problems individually and collectively in our families) was going on long before most of us even stepped one foot in a program, our lives were just a bit skewed. If you think not your lying to us and to yourself. This is how these programs are able to operate and succeed because parents, school faculty, Doctors, Clinicians..ect are educated to think they work. They are skewed in their thoughts, why? Who they fuck knows.It is anyone's guess in my opinion and there are many.
This program did this and that and what the fuck ever, all this debating and bickering back and forth, calling one another names and what not. For what????? So you can be right.
Sit back and look at it objectively really you will see that Whooter is right and you are Ursus, both very equally. I am not kidding either.
I have always felt it started with the parents and I still do, if we fix the parents no need for programs.
Fat chance on that, just like fat chance we stop all programs.
Yet we still have to try and I will as I'm sure you folks will.

Danny


Yeah, they "work" because the programs convince the parents that the kids actually need the programs.  From my experience, which is at the same time personal, incidental and clinical (research)...the VAST MAJORITY of kids are pretty normal teenagers.  Most will grow out of their 'defiant' behavior (and I think that's part of the key too...defiance....parents hate it and programs say they'll quell it) and become whoever they're supposed to become.  It might not be what the parent had envisioned for their child, but...then again....it's the kid's life, not the parents.  Now....I'm not saying that there are never any kids who need help.  We all know them or have them in our family...the question is, can forced "therapy" ever be effective?  Can it ever deliver what it promises at all, let alone without doing serious, lasting damage?  I think not, as true therapy is based on trust and that's not some thing anyone would find inside programs.  Ever.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
traight, St. Pete, early 80s
AA is a cult http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult.html

The more boring a child is, the more the parents, when showing off the child, receive adulation for being good parents-- because they have a tame child-creature in their house.  ~~  Frank Zappa

Offline DannyB II

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 3273
  • Karma: +5/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Restraint Death at Rainbow Ranch, Florida
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2010, 12:04:48 AM »
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "DannyB II"

Coercion hmmmmm........Does any of this have to do with parents....kinder,gentler or softer. Your right some psychological wounds do run deep, very deep that not even a entire lifetime can heal.
Lets be fair and start at the beginning, how this whole ball of wax started, if we can compartmentalize that well then we should be able to put the programs in their proper perspective.
All this bullshit (our problems individually and collectively in our families) was going on long before most of us even stepped one foot in a program, our lives were just a bit skewed. If you think not your lying to us and to yourself. This is how these programs are able to operate and succeed because parents, school faculty, Doctors, Clinicians..ect are educated to think they work. They are skewed in their thoughts, why? Who they fuck knows.It is anyone's guess in my opinion and there are many.
This program did this and that and what the fuck ever, all this debating and bickering back and forth, calling one another names and what not. For what????? So you can be right.
Sit back and look at it objectively really you will see that Whooter is right and you are Ursus, both very equally. I am not kidding either.
I have always felt it started with the parents and I still do, if we fix the parents no need for programs.
Fat chance on that, just like fat chance we stop all programs.
Yet we still have to try and I will as I'm sure you folks will.

Danny


Yeah, they "work" because the programs convince the parents that the kids actually need the programs.  From my experience, which is at the same time personal, incidental and clinical (research)...the VAST MAJORITY of kids are pretty normal teenagers.  Most will grow out of their 'defiant' behavior (and I think that's part of the key too...defiance....parents hate it and programs say they'll quell it) and become whoever they're supposed to become.  It might not be what the parent had envisioned for their child, but...then again....it's the kid's life, not the parents.  Now....I'm not saying that there are never any kids who need help.  We all know them or have them in our family...the question is, can forced "therapy" ever be effective?  Can it ever deliver what it promises at all, let alone without doing serious, lasting damage?  I think not, as true therapy is based on trust and that's not some thing anyone would find inside programs.  Ever.


 :shamrock:  :shamrock:

Great points and I will not argue them because there is no debate within your experiences. You and I both know that Straight and Elan was never going to work and never will. My problem was and still is especially now with all the available data about these programs, why are the parents still sending their children to them, even out of the country. Please don't tell me there being conned, duped, whatever I don't believe it. I know better trust me, parents (not all but many) are lazy and if they have the money, well lets just shove the responsibility to someone or something else. Most of these parents with money are some of your more intelligent people, no there is more going on inside those homes that are making it so mommy and daddy can give there kids up.
Take care Anne, nice to talk with you again.

Danny
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
Stand and fight, till there is no more.

Offline Ursus

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 8989
  • Karma: +3/-0
    • View Profile
MAN CHARGED WITH PRESCRIBING PILLS WITHOUT A LICEN
« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2010, 10:50:14 AM »
Here's one more piece re. Rainbow Ranch owner David Glatt playing doctor back in 2000. The whole of the article is in a pay-per-view archive, but the opening scene in the teaser is too priceless to pass up:

-------------- • -------------- • --------------

MAN CHARGED WITH PRESCRIBING PILLS WITHOUT A LICENSE
Author:    Sanjay Bhatt

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer Date: December 19, 2000 Publication: The Palm Beach Post Page Number: 1B Word Count: 459

Therese Felth thought her new boyfriend was a neurosurgeon, and she recalled how he came home at night wearing surgery scrubs and a stethoscope, told operating-room stories and sometimes rushed off after being paged, investigators say.

But David Glatt wasn't a neurosurgeon, not even a doctor. That came out only after Glatt had doled out prescription pills to her sister and father, who became violently ill.

Glatt, 31, of Weston, surrendered Friday at the Palm Beach ...
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
-------------- • -------------- • --------------

Offline Whooter

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 5513
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: MAN CHARGED WITH PRESCRIBING PILLS WITHOUT A LICEN
« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2010, 11:05:17 AM »
Quote from: "Ursus"
Therese Felth thought her new boyfriend was a neurosurgeon, and she recalled how he came home at night wearing surgery scrubs and a stethoscope, told operating-room stories and sometimes rushed off after being paged, investigators say.

Good find, Ha,Ha,Ha  that’s funny.  What a great angle… if the girlfriend was suffocating him too much he could just say he had an emergency and take off for the night.  I am sure the demand for scrubs and stethoscopes will go up after many read this!



...
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline DannyB II

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 3273
  • Karma: +5/-0
    • View Profile
Re: MAN CHARGED WITH PRESCRIBING PILLS WITHOUT A LICEN
« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2010, 03:19:25 PM »
Quote from: "Ursus"
Here's one more piece re. Rainbow Ranch owner David Glatt playing doctor back in 2000. The whole of the article is in a pay-per-view archive, but the opening scene in the teaser is too priceless to pass up:

-------------- • -------------- • --------------

MAN CHARGED WITH PRESCRIBING PILLS WITHOUT A LICENSE
Author:    Sanjay Bhatt

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer Date: December 19, 2000 Publication: The Palm Beach Post Page Number: 1B Word Count: 459

Therese Felth thought her new boyfriend was a neurosurgeon, and she recalled how he came home at night wearing surgery scrubs and a stethoscope, told operating-room stories and sometimes rushed off after being paged, investigators say.

But David Glatt wasn't a neurosurgeon, not even a doctor. That came out only after Glatt had doled out prescription pills to her sister and father, who became violently ill.

Glatt, 31, of Weston, surrendered Friday at the Palm Beach ...


 :shamrock:  :shamrock:

I had read this I think last week, they do not and will regulate effectively these programs. Never have and never will, why after so many deaths, preventable accidents, ect...... I believe the politicians have this thought process about the troubled kids, "Ah screw 'em better off there then on the street, there nothing but fuck ups anyways." Actually I have heard judges, prosecutors and politicians say these things not verbatim but close.  
The parents are running close behind, I'm sorry to say. I would bet that people have read this article and are still willing to send their kids there. How do you defend that.

Danny
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
Stand and fight, till there is no more.

Offline Anne Bonney

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 5006
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: MAN CHARGED WITH PRESCRIBING PILLS WITHOUT A LICEN
« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2010, 03:26:34 PM »
Quote from: "DannyB II"

I had read this I think last week, they do not and will regulate effectively these programs. Never have and never will, why after so many deaths, preventable accidents, ect...... I believe the politicians have this thought process about the troubled kids, "Ah screw 'em better off there then on the street, there nothing but fuck ups anyways." Actually I have heard judges, prosecutors and politicians say these things not verbatim but close.  
The parents are running close behind, I'm sorry to say. I would bet that people have read this article and are still willing to send their kids there. How do you defend that.

Danny

Most compassionate, thinking people can't.  And then there's Whooter.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
traight, St. Pete, early 80s
AA is a cult http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult.html

The more boring a child is, the more the parents, when showing off the child, receive adulation for being good parents-- because they have a tame child-creature in their house.  ~~  Frank Zappa

Offline Ursus

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 8989
  • Karma: +3/-0
    • View Profile
Rainbow Ranch Owners Permanently Surrender License
« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2010, 03:29:16 PM »
Quote from: "DannyB II"
I would bet that people have read this article and are still willing to send their kids there. How do you defend that.
No need to ... in this case. Rainbow Ranch got shut down permanently:

-------------- • -------------- • --------------

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
October 19, 2007


CONTACT:
Melanie Mowry Etters
Communications Director
850-488-4257

Rainbow Ranch Owners Permanently Surrender License

MIAMI, FL - The Agency for Persons with Disabilities entered into an agreement yesterday with the owners of the Rainbow Ranch group homes barring them from ever running another group home for people with developmental disabilities.

The operators, including former officer David Glatt, agreed to permanently surrender their group home licenses and never seek another one. The company ran three group homes for people with developmental disabilities in the Miami area.

In June of this year, APD imposed an emergency suspension of the Rainbow Ranch licenses following the death of a boy under the care of one of the Rainbow Ranch homes, in addition to other problems with the operation of the group homes.

APD Director Jane Johnson said, "The agency is very pleased to know that these individuals have agreed not to run or be involved in any way with a group home for people with developmental disabilities again. We have an obligation to protect the most vulnerable among us. By entering into this agreement, we have protected the people we serve and have drawn to a close a potentially lengthy legal process. "

APD currently serves about 35,000 Floridians with developmental disabilities of mental retardation, autism, cerebral palsy, spina bifida, and Prader-Willi syndrome. For more information on the agency, call 1-866-APD-CARES or visit http://www.apd.myflorida.com.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
-------------- • -------------- • --------------

Offline DannyB II

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 3273
  • Karma: +5/-0
    • View Profile
Re: Rainbow Ranch Owners Permanently Surrender License
« Reply #44 on: May 07, 2010, 10:28:31 PM »
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "DannyB II"
I would bet that people have read this article and are still willing to send their kids there. How do you defend that.
No need to ... in this case. Rainbow Ranch got shut down permanently:

-------------- • -------------- • --------------

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
October 19, 2007


CONTACT:
Melanie Mowry Etters
Communications Director
850-488-4257

Rainbow Ranch Owners Permanently Surrender License

MIAMI, FL - The Agency for Persons with Disabilities entered into an agreement yesterday with the owners of the Rainbow Ranch group homes barring them from ever running another group home for people with developmental disabilities.

The operators, including former officer David Glatt, agreed to permanently surrender their group home licenses and never seek another one. The company ran three group homes for people with developmental disabilities in the Miami area.

In June of this year, APD imposed an emergency suspension of the Rainbow Ranch licenses following the death of a boy under the care of one of the Rainbow Ranch homes, in addition to other problems with the operation of the group homes.

APD Director Jane Johnson said, "The agency is very pleased to know that these individuals have agreed not to run or be involved in any way with a group home for people with developmental disabilities again. We have an obligation to protect the most vulnerable among us. By entering into this agreement, we have protected the people we serve and have drawn to a close a potentially lengthy legal process. "

APD currently serves about 35,000 Floridians with developmental disabilities of mental retardation, autism, cerebral palsy, spina bifida, and Prader-Willi syndrome. For more information on the agency, call 1-866-APD-CARES or visit http://www.apd.myflorida.com.


 :shamrock:  :shamrock:

Well then, I was wondering how that was going to play out. Thanks Ursus for the info.

Quote:
"APD Director Jane Johnson said, "The agency is very pleased to know that these individuals have agreed not to run or be involved in any way with a group home for people with developmental disabilities again."

You are very pleased....hmmmm. Well I'm glad somebody is because it is not that boys parents. He should be in jail (Glatt).

Danny
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
Stand and fight, till there is no more.