Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.

[Anonymous]

um, .. your on fornits... and THAT was offensive?  Seriously?  Liberated Honkey?  I saw the "n" word flying around the other day...  and this lame (sorry frod)... silly comment was offensive.  

Relax.

[Anonymous]

Izzy, since you are surely lurking--a few questions for you, OK?

Why the change on the front page of CAICA?
   Why the postings of the GAO stuff from the 1990s?

Why the deletion of "CAICA EXPANDS?"  Some problem with your new-found relationship with Rose Moore, and that un-heard-of new advocacy organization "that's so difficult to join?"

Why did you refer Patti to Sunrise Adolescent Transport, which is owned by Julie Thompson, who formerly worked as an admissions rep at WWASP's TEEN HELP?  Julie Thompson gives glowing recommendations to Cross Creek Manor, a WWASP facility near Sunrise.

Have you changed your views on teen transports since your wrote your article, "Escorts or Abuction? You decide"

Why did you refer Patti to Sue Scheff ? PURE for program placement?

Izzy do you feel any program place is JUST FINE, as long as it is not a WWASP program?  Or, is a WWASP placement JUST FINE now, too....just as long as your friend Sue approves the program?

Izzy, are you going to change the wording on your DISCLAIMER that states you do not refer to programs?

Izzy, why do you write those Whitmore Blogs, praising the defunct Whitmore Academy; and the Sudweeks who have broken laws in three countries--Canada, Mexico and the United States?

Care to answer, Izzy?

[Anonymous]

Damn, 5 programs including 2 WWASPS?

What kind of bullshit is this?

Why is this parent here?  To promote herself as some kind of hero for pulling her kid from TB?  

Get the fuck over yourself and bring that child of yours home, parent.

And Izzy?  Get a grip on that super-sized ego of yours.  Your 15 minutes of fame has turned into marathon blogging and patting yourself on the back so many times, it's a wonder you don't just take out a billboard ad proclaiming yourself as TEEN HELP advocate of the universe.

To Sandy:  You seem like a well-intentioned person, but suggesting parents contact CAICA or PURE instead of recommending they contact a licensed family therapist or child psychologist is not real smart and possibly even reckless, IMO, given that apparently, neither Zehnder or Scheff are licensed therapists or trained behavioral healthcare specialists.  

Read Maia Szalavitz's book.  Tou may just learn something and understand the error of your ways, and in doing so, be of true help to children and parents.  

http://http://www.helpatanycost.com

[Anonymous]

GUEST V
Instead of spending your time on this forum defending Isabelle Zehnder for the unforgivable---referring a parent to Sue Scheff /Pure for placement in a program ---and referring to Sunrise Adolescent Transport:

Why is this unforgivable?
Because Isabelle Zehnder CLAIMS she does not refer parenets and their children for program placement; and she claims to denounce teen escorts.

SO, instead of spending your time defending Isabelle Zehnder:
Spend this valuable time researching Red Rock Canyon.
You have already had you son placed in a wilderness program where a child DIED.
You have already placed you son in two abusive WWASP facilities.
Sorenson's Ranch has a history of abuse---this abuse is documented in the WWASP vs PURE transcripts and elsewhere on the internet.

I will not do your research for you--because you will not believe me anyway.  But: after careful research; if you honestly have your son's best interest at heart---you will be removing this boy from Red Rock Canyon.

Open your mind and your heart; and do what is right for your son.
After these past placements---you just might be the "luckiest mom on earth" to even have a son who is still breathing.
Some mothers are not so lucky--and they only placed their child ONCE; not 5 times.

[Anonymous]

RECAP:

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 9:08 pm    Post subject:    


From: pattiatwoods@hotmail.com
Subject: Arrangements
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 19:32:51 +0000

Hi Patty,

We just got off the phone so you know the person to contact is James.
His direct number is 435-229-9378. The main number at Sunrise
Adolescent Transport is 435-673-3202.

The person to contact re the programs is Sue at 954-349-7260. She is
aware of the situation so just let her know I sent you to her. I
normally don't give out her direct, home phone number but she said OK.  She has over 7 years experience helping families so I feel confident she'll steer us in the right direction, if we need to go that direction.

Here's a link to my website regarding coaching in case you want to go  that route: www.positivefamilysolutions.com. Please let the family know I am available to talk with Jason soon after they pick him up from TB. Often it is beneficial for me to talk to the child to let them know what is happening and why. The kids trust me once they know who I am and what I do.

If you would like to help CAICA by making a donation, please go to www.caica.org and click on the Visa/MasterCard Donate button. We'd
really appreciate it!

Talk to you soon,
Isabelle

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Together we can - and do - make a difference!

Isabelle Zehnder
Founder and President
Coalition Against Institutionalized Child Abuse (CAICA) www.caica.org

"Parents and Teens Unite"
C.E.O., Founder, Coach
Positive Family Solutions, LLC
www.positivefamilysolutions.com

Tel: (360) 369-6547
Fax: (484) 991-1828
E-mail: info@caica.org  

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Cathy Sutton Posted This

Now I am more confused than ever, Isabelle. (sarcasm intended)

What happened to the so-called report you were writing for Congressman Miller? At least this was your claim when you first called me last year.

What is your title exactly?? How many hats are you wearing these days? Child Advocate, Parent Consultant, Family Coach, Referral Agent, Founder of an "invisible" Association?

It seems like contradiction is in your blood. I spotted this same contradiction the first time I visited the not so P.U.R.E. website. I asked Sue three legitimate questions that I felt deserved an answer. It's called FULL DISCLOSURE. Instead, all I got was "people don't understand me."

ONE of my questions to Sue Scheff (PURE) was:

"Are you a Child Advocate, or a Referral Agency? I don't feel a "TRUE" Child Advocate can be both.

Isabelle, I feel that you and Sue are giving parents a "false" sense of security while you both continue to proclaim the abuses in this dysfunctional industry to the world, (WWASP, WWASP, WWASP, only), while on the other hand, you are both referring desperate parents to an unregulated, out-of-control, "troubled industry."

You can't have it both ways!

It's bad enough that we've had to fight this "troubled industry" over their long talked about controversy. Now we are up against the controversy amongst the "TRUE" Child Advocates and the "FALSE" Child Advocates.

How sad for the kids!

Michelle Sutton Memorial Fund, Inc.
Catherine Sutton

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Guest1 Shows Up and Posts:

Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:40 pm    Post subject: Catherine's post  

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I think you are confused Catherine. While Isabelle is an advocate, she also knows that there is a need for safe places for out of control children, and has done her best to gather information for those who do pull their children from these abusive programs, but still need a safe place to put them. This from my own experience. I think you are angry at the wrong person, just my take.

Guest:

As far as referring transport companies, she got that information from me because a so called parent asked her for a referral to one and she didn't have one, so she called me, and I referred her to Sunrise, whom I have had to use 3 times now for my son. She has no affiliation what-so-ever. Seems to me your energy could be used in a more positive way.

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[Anonymous]

This parent who has the gall to accuse Cathy Sutton of being "mistaken" is apparently as rude as she/he is ignorant.

V, Guest1 do us all a favor but most importantly, your child, and remove him immediately from his latest program.  Do not hire Sunrise for the 4th time to transport him.  Go get him yourself!  Next,  throw away all your program parenting manuals and give your child the kind of real love, attention and guidance he needs and deserves before it's too late.

Lastly, educate others about the message contained in Mrs. Sutton's post.  This woman is NOT known for speaking anything but the truth.  Stop defending Izzy from the criticism she has rightly earned as a result of her own actions.  That is dishonest of you and frankly, as reckless as Sandy referring parents to CAICA and PURE instead of licensed therapists and/or child psychologists.

Thanks for listening.  I hope your son comes home soon and you will find him a real therapist who can help him by treating the entire family, not singling him out for all blame like these programs do.  It is time for YOU to assume responsbility beyond writing a check each month and monthly telephone calls.

[Anonymous]

Who might want to change the subject of discussion yesterday?
Who is known for their elaborate trolls? interesting...

[Anonymous]

"confused", not "mistaken"

[Anonymous]

How does this parent afford all these programs?

Have they referred other kids to WWASPS for free tuition?

If so, they should be ashamed because the anti-wwasps movement has been in full swing for at least 7-8 years which is about the time PURE went into business.

IMO, something stinks to high heaven here.  I am seeing the same ole' denial from ex-WWASPS parents that led to first, defending Sue Scheff (PURE) and now, Isabelle Zehnder (CAICA).

The lessons are NOT being learned and it looks like once again, it's because of self-serving agendas that puts money, hatred of WWASPS and personal egos/vanity (Scheff/Reeves and the TB Documentary) above all else.

FYI - This tirade is not directed at Psy or others who are clearly not biased nor involved in the Turley lawsuit.  

Comments anyone?

[Anonymous]

Question:''

What options does a desperate parent who has been court ordered have?  A parent who has jumped through every hoop, therapy, family, individual, counseling, and the kid still steals cars, does and sells dope, comes home with tattoos at the age of 15 done at someone's home, ditching school, failing grades and expulsions, breaking into homes including a police officers house, having sex, tearing the house apart, teaching the younger children the ropes, parents calling for reimbursement for the car your kid just wrecked, police at your house so the whole department knows you by name, and you've given the child a good home, a safe home, a decent home, you have tried everything?  Where is there a safe place to send your child?

[Anonymous]

Believe it or not, some people are capable of making quite a good living without having to take blood money.

[Anonymous]

Question:''

What options does a desperate parent who has been court ordered have?  A parent who has jumped through every hoop, therapy, family, individual, counseling, and the kid still steals cars, does and sells dope, comes home with tattoos at the age of 15 done at someone's home, ditching school, failing grades and expulsions, breaking into homes including a police officers house, having sex, tearing the house apart, teaching the younger children the ropes, parents calling for reimbursement for the car your kid just wrecked, police at your house so the whole department knows you by name, and you've given the child a good home, a safe home, a decent home, you have tried everything?  Where is there a safe place to send your child?

Asking people you never met or cannot trust on the internet is part of the problem. If I gave you an answer and some pretty pictures, you would be all too willing to send me your teen. That is sad that parents do that, because kids get hurt because of it. Your over dramatization notwithstanding, your teen is not that bad. Some parents learn to deal with it at home.

[Anonymous]

Cathy Sutton is not confused and/or angry at the wrong person.

She makes it quite clear how she feels about CAICA and PURE and WHY!

This bullshit CAICA apologist is way out of her league.

My advice is to pick up your marbles and find some another board where you can make an ass out of yourself and expect applause.

Bottom line:  No decent parent would subject their child to 5 times the abuse a single program doles out on a routine basis.

This is either total bullshit or there is a parent out there who ought to be on the receiving end of a lawsuit brought against them by their own child.

[Anonymous]

Question:''

What options does a desperate parent who has been court ordered have?  A parent who has jumped through every hoop, therapy, family, individual, counseling, and the kid still steals cars, does and sells dope, comes home with tattoos at the age of 15 done at someone's home, ditching school, failing grades and expulsions, breaking into homes including a police officers house, having sex, tearing the house apart, teaching the younger children the ropes, parents calling for reimbursement for the car your kid just wrecked, police at your house so the whole department knows you by name, and you've given the child a good home, a safe home, a decent home, you have tried everything?  Where is there a safe place to send your child?

You don't throw your kid to the wolves and wash your hands of YOUR OWN culpability, that's for damn sure.

You do what other parents do who don't have the luxury of hiring thugs to kidnap their kid and haul them off to some lock down facility.

You admit you are PART OF THE PROBLEM and you seek help for the entire family.

It takes time and effort but mostly commitment NOT to give up on your kid.

The industry thrives on parents who have lost control of their children long before their teenage years.

You help your child by admitting your own mistakes and working together to rebuild a relationship based on trust, love and respect.  

It's not as hopeless as you believe or are led to believe.

Community based services, no matter how imperfect, are still the most effective resource.  

But don't expect child-referral-advocate to tell you that since there is no referral fee to be made.

 :roll:

[Anonymous]

one has nothing to do with the other.