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« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2007, 12:10:46 AM »
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What sensitivity does posting a screaming gorilla show?


My words exactly...

http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=258517#258517

So when I post it, it is considered insensitive, but for someone else it is okay?
I wasnt the one who was trolling with the gorilla...check it out.  The guy is a moderator and he trolls other threads with the gorilla... I was just returning it to him...Ha,Ha,Ha ...  shouldnt we all be living by the same rules?
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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2007, 01:29:56 AM »
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What sensitivity does posting a screaming gorilla show?


My words exactly..

http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=258517#258517

I'm sure it did irreparable damage to that thread :roll:,

and more importantly, the "statistics" you seem so adamant on coming to.

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So when I post it, it is considered insensitive, but for someone else it is okay?

it's not who posts it, you idiot, but where.  I wouldn't give a shit if it was in another thread on this here TTI forum, why not pick one of those.  Why go out of your way to harass him when he is actually doing something serious, when there is something important, going on.  You're mindless repetition of the same bullshit "statistics" matters little to anybody here but yourself (and maybe the industry... it has about the right amount of validity).  I really wonder for what purpose you want to provide such fixed statistics (which you can claim you "debated").  I would rather not know, and frankly you would rather not have me find out.  Some think it is to re-enforce what you already believe, to support your actions with your daughter... some think you are looking for the truth... some think you just a troll.  Some think you are getting paid.  I really don't give a shit.  Just stay away from threads you don't belong in where survivors are posting their stories.  You've already fucked up at least one.

If you wish to prove you are the more mature person, you are doing a really poor job of it.

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I wasnt the one who was trolling with the gorilla...check it out.  The guy is a moderator

Only in that one forum for facilities questions.

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and he trolls other threads with the gorilla...

In that one thread where there are things far outlandish than a screaming gorilla.

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I was just returning it to him...Ha,Ha,Ha ...  shouldnt we all be living by the same rules?


If only you were as vulnerable as some of the survivors on here you could say that. Ha,Ha,Ha.  Give em time to get their identity back and they'll tear your head off.

Only somebody as insensitive as you could think that your posting the gorilla only affected him.  You have no consideration for what was being discussed in that thread.  Go read the thread again.
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« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2007, 02:59:53 AM »
Look, why don't you two just write your own respective bots. Just take random samples from past renditions of this same script, load little snippets into a database and the bots take care of this mundane task for you. That's what automation is all about, isn't it?

I'm about to turn the damned gorilla loose on yenz!
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« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2007, 03:10:31 AM »
I don't negotiate ever. Bring it on you sorry fuckwart.





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« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2007, 03:11:23 AM »
Quote from: ""Antigen's Ghost""
Look, why don't you two just write your own respective bots. Just take random samples from past renditions of this same script, load little snippets into a database and the bots take care of this mundane task for you. That's what automation is all about, isn't it?

I'm about to turn the damned gorilla loose on yenz!


  :wink:  :wink:

Come on ginger... we both know whatever I say, he'll just post the same thing over and over.. but how do we get him back in the playpen..

 :rofl:
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« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2007, 03:12:27 AM »
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I don't negotiate ever. Bring it on you sorry fuckwart.








hee hee hee... gorilla ain't sayin shit now is he....

mmm... no screaming... sweet sweet silence....

See... Mr. Who: Instead of being a f-tard, you could have just resolved the screaming issue privately...

Despite what Ginger may think, I really, really, hate that gorilla.  On that, The Who and I agree.  I suspect it will be one of the only things.
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« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2007, 03:20:12 AM »
Why do you hate the gorilla so much?
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« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2007, 03:24:33 AM »
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Why do you hate the gorilla so much?


because my sound card works, I listen to loud music, and that gorilla is about 200% louder than my loudest music.  It' so loud, the waveform is clipped off and distorted... That isn't even to mention what it does when i have my speakers on...

it scares the shit out of me.  I'm sitting there listening to some nice music, browsing the internets, and AAAAAAAAAHHH H... AAHAHHAHAHAHHDH FH Hhf....  etc.

It's the audio goatse.  It's frickin wrong.  Such a wav file is an affront to all that is good on the internets.
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« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2007, 03:28:56 AM »
Don't hate the gorilla.
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« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2007, 03:41:10 AM »
Good points are your defense Psy. I'm amused, as always, about his wild accusations. I think for my own amusement I'm going to suggest to that friend I told you about to do his "thing".

To the others threatening to post the Who's IP address I strongly suggest that you consider another approach. Posting it publically only will let the Who know that something is amiss. If you really want to get him do it with a bit more discretion.

Perhaps you should email it to this person:

salamieater@hotmail.com
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« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2007, 03:50:27 AM »
who, I've been restrained and oddly polite to you about this, but you're acting like a willful child at this point.  I explained to you that TSW moved the thread to his moderated forum to get away from the trolling.  You've never been an overt troll, you present yourself as a rational adult who happens to think ASR is a lifesaver and a humdinger of a program.  That's like...your opinion, man, and on Troubled Teen, you can defend that opinion, attack naysayers, whatever.

We've got program survivors answering questions about PV, and these kids are going back to hellish times because they hope they can prevent other kids from going through what they did.  I also take a very personal interest in one of the PV survivors.  Actually, I take an interest in all three of them because I've talked with them all extensively. I like them and respect the guts they're showing by recounting events they would probably rather forget, but can't.  One of these respondents  I would give my life for because...family is that way.

DYS and I had a long talk on the phone on St. Patrick's day...DYS is doing so well, and I think he's working hard to prove the PV clinical staff wrong about the dismal future they predicted for him.  If a motivational speaker is needed to lecture to high school kids on the evils of RTC's, Die Yuppie scum is the guy to do it. He has his own business and still has all the friends PV told him would desert him quickly.

I don't expect compassion from you, who..  What do you care, you've made your position clear over and over.  We all pledged to ignore you at one point, but you've become a bit childish toward TSW.  Psy is right, PM TSW and work it out away from the Facility thread where something is being accomplished, info is being gathered that I can send on to some sympathetic Tennessee politicos and mental health watchdogs.

Let's break it down for you, who:

The Troubled Teen Industry
Compliance is not character. Weakness is not strength. Regression is not growth. "Tough love" leads to tough hate. Time for some straight talk about the Troubled Parent Industry.

This is an uncensored, unmoderated forum where all viewpoints are both welcome and fair game for debate. It's a snap-shot of the Teen Help industry, and there's nothing inspiring or heart-warming about it. It's pretty damned ugly. Enter at your own risk.


Moderator: Nobody

Now TSW's forum:

Facility Question and Answers

If you have questions we will answer them to the best of our abilities in a polite and rational manner. If you have insults please feel free to collect your jar of free boot cream at the door after you get launched into never neverland.

Moderator Three Springs Waygookin

You may feel offended by the gorilla glaring from your thread on Troubled Teen.  Live with it, you know the rules there.

TSW's asking PV kids questions that I don't think anyone has asked them before, and the answers they're giving have made TSW and I cringe.  I can speak for one of the respondents, she's glad to offer up details of PV's abuses because she hopes we can do something useful with the information.  We could share it with HEAL, CAFETY, anywhere it can be seen and maybe cause a few parents to disregard the idea of a PV placement.

TSW, despite his often gruff remarks on Troubled Teen, is slowly taking these PV survivors through difficult questions, and despite your childish anger toward TSW for his alleged involvement in slipping a primate picture onto "your thread", TSW is showing compassion to these young adults and it's clear he respects the guts they've shown in answering these disturbing questions about abuse and answer them thoroughly.  

TSW is helping these kids talk through their nightmares.  I know one young lady answering who is noticeably a little lighter in spirit since the Q+A started.

So who, as much as you bear a grudge toward TSW, he's being  productive.  What are you doing now, what have you ever done but agitate posters and backtrack when you get called on lying?

I don't want to fight with you, and I'm abstaining from delivering some heartfelt and profane opinions I have concerning your character.  During the time I pledged to ignore you, I did.  I avoided you, you never presented anything of interest, just the program party-line spiel: "My kid would have been dead or in jail without (insert Behavior Modification pit of your choice.)  "My kid refused to honor my house rules," (perhaps your rules were draconian and stifling to the young teen)

If you're just a troll who's been bullshitting us for ages, at least have compassion for the PV survivors being interviewed.  You come crashing into a forum we're trying to keep moderated and free of people with an agenda of  the likes of you.  Die Yuppie Scum will end up viewing you as a parental disease.  He doesn't scare, PV was so bad he managed to work his way out by doing what PV wanted him to do.  PV failed.

I'm not expecting compassion from you, just your quiet apology and  promise to stay out of threads where kids are re-visiting a shithole in their minds they managed to escape.  

TSW is pro-active in addressing the abuses in facilities like PV, and ending them.

Again, what is your function, who?
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« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2007, 04:06:47 AM »
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Good points are your defense Psy. I'm amused, as always, about his wild accusations. I think for my own amusement I'm going to suggest to that friend I told you about to do his "thing".


Why that sounds just delightful...  I approve of this message.
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« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2007, 06:37:29 AM »
Who is editing and adding to my posts?  This is twice I've come back to something I wrote and found passages I didn't write.  What's going on, and why does someone feel it necessary to change my posts?  I'm absolutely sure they've been changed, and I don't like the additions.  This isn't what Fornits is about.  I fucking well know what I wrote.
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« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2007, 07:09:58 AM »
for the record zen... it was st patty's day, not valentines day.
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« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2007, 07:47:55 AM »
On a different note... "who" I am amazed at your inability to realize the damage these facilities as a whole create. You claim they helped you and helped control your daughter. If your goal was to emotionaly break her and have her be reduced to a sniveling submissivie human being... then yes I would agree with you the program helped. But I gaurentee you who, if you ever had to spend even ONE day at a facility like PV or Tranquility Bay, or any of the other POW camps they try to pass off as treatment centers you would most likely snap. Because based on what I have seen of your writings you do not live in reality. At places like PV daydreaming is not an option... you can't pretend you are somewhere else when the reality is you are locked in a basement and sitting on a bed 22 hours a day, having to be told when to piss and being fed mass ammounts of theraputic bullshit... Being used as a free sorce of labor when buildings on the grounds needed repair. Your hardwired brain would sizzle and you would most likely would have been restrained and quite possibly jacked up with thorazine. What you did to your child was unacceptable, and as far as I am concerned you owe her the world on a fucking platter. That girl deserves to be pampered and praised after the months of degrading treatment and emotionaly damaging "feedback" she recieved.  I am not a suvivor "who" Iam a god damn, mother fuckin, hard as nails, crass and brass, warrior. I took everything PV threw at me and made one big joke of it... Because thst all it is... a joke, a sick joke to be sure but a joke all the same. Th eonly thing PV taught me is that I can do any thing I put my mind to. The only thing that makes me feel horrible about myself is the fact that my treatment brethren and sisters took it much more emotionaly then I did... And for that I feel guilty, that I was not as traumatized and that I don't have nightmares... I feel guilty that I can sleep at night and can look poeple dead in the eye when I talk to them. But thats just me, thats just because before PV ever got their hands on me I was traveling across the United states at the age of 12 by freight trains, because my whole mentality when they got their hands on me was live fast, die young, leave a pretty corpse. I'll never forget the first thing I ever said to Todd Roberts when he introduced himself, as if he was the shit simply because he was a head of a place that tortured teens.... "Eat shit and die" Was all I said to him. And thats all I say now to you. Eat shit and die you pompus, self rightious, conceited waste of genetic material. People like you are the reason there should be lincencing for having children. Any guy with a dick can have a kid, but it takes a man to be a true father.
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