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« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2007, 12:02:08 PM »
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I read with dismay the article written by Jennifer Gonnerman regarding the disciplinary methods employed by the Judge Rotenber Center, commonly known as JRC. I found her article to be unbalanced and rather a knee-jerk reaction to a very complex process. Her article was also written out of context. It contains emotional rather than factual solutions. I have a first-hand working knowledge of JRC because I deal with JRC almost on a daily basis and have done so for the past 4 years. I am a court-appointed attorney who is not employeed by JRC or the Trial Court system. I am completely unbiased and work only for myslef and in the best interests of the students that I represent. I found her story to be completely lopsided. Very little attention was paid to the positive aspects of the program but rather emphasized the negative aspects of the program. Following suit were the bloggers who probably never even visited JRC or had any working knowledge of its methods. If the aricle had been writted on a more positive note, bloggers would have in turn responded in a more positive fashion. My role is to assure that the behavioral treatment plans are appropriate to meet my students/client's needs. If there is a provision which is overly punitive than that provision is addressed and the applicable punishment is removed from the plan. If no middle grounds are met then several independent doctors are obtained and the independent doctors will also evaluate the treatment plan. The student also has some input into their treatment plan and allowed to make reasonable requests. PLEASE STOP TORTURING ME! Therefore, students are given the GED's after much forethought and planning has been established. The treatment plan must then be approved by Judges of the Probate Court system. I have yet to hear a Judge condemn the program in it's entirety. That is because the Judges have witnessed such overwhelming improvemnets and turnarounds that it almost boggles the mind. When I first meet some of my students they had to be kept apart from any human contact because of their agressive and dangerous nature. Some must be protected with staff personel around the clock. They are not able to matriculate into a traditional classroom setting. Some of these students have stabbed others or themselves with sharp insturments, some have set fires and I had one student who once head-butted a pregnant teacher. The list goes on and on. I might ask is this any way to exist? These students would never be able to socialize or be educated within the traditonal system. I have seen students who were restrained on a full time basis but whom after the GEDS were applied are now able to lead full and productive lives, are educated, have jobs and families. Without JRC these students would either be jailed for the rest of their lives with litte to no education or given a cocktail of the most potent drugs known to society. With the medications they usually suffer from the effects such as trembling, drooling, sedation, low white blood counts which is ofter fatal and many other side effects including diabetes and heart failure. I admire the fact that JRC will accept students who no other placement will accept. Without the JRC program where would these children go? Even without the use of the GEDs this is a highly structural and organized program that is dedicated to the turning around of some of the country's most worst behaved students. As the student's behavior is improved the Geds start being removed. Remeber, it is the decision of the higher functioning student whether they get an application or not. To behave appropriately means no applications. The decisons is theirs. THE CHILD CHOOSES TO BE SHOCKED In conclusion, Ms. Gonnerman reports other less structured disciplinary programs that are allegedly successful but I see no examples, data or articles documenting other behavioral approaches. She also states that students would rather be in jail than at JRC. This statement raises some red flags for me. In jail or DYS there is little education, the children don't have much of anything to do and there is little structure. I find that the more unstructured a setting is the more the children like it even though it is not in their best interest. I think Ms. Gonnerman should revisit her story and write a more balanced and positive viewpoint of this school. She should keep in mind that JRC has rehabilitated vast numbers of aggressive and violent children. Also, all the planning and different stages of the treatment plan can be viewed on the JRC website.
Posted by: Elaine Gerber on August 26, 2007 9:47:16 AM

THIS BITCH IS A COURT APPOINTED ATTORNEY WHOSE JOB IT IS TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF THE DISABLED AND MENTALLY ILL CHILDREN SHE REPRESENTS.


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« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2007, 12:05:10 PM »
I just can't deal with those people.  They're too far gone and believe religiously (pun intended) in what they're doing.

Sick fucks.
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« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2007, 12:28:02 PM »
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...the Judges have witnessed such overwhelming improvemnets and turnarounds that it almost boggles the mind.


Perhaps at first.  What are the long term effects?  I found the depictions of those two near catatonic patients who had been there 1-2 decades very disturbing.  These were "success stories," right?  See also:

The Effects of Anticipated Shocks on Thinking and Behavior
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=22955

Might this not impact the overall long-term picture?
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« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2007, 12:32:54 PM »
Also remember the kids quoted in the NY report....
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« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2007, 12:55:28 PM »
Zapped back to top. Hello, Mr. Israel. Let's play.
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« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2007, 01:09:39 PM »
Ms. Gonnerman’s article “School of Shock,â€
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« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2007, 01:11:26 PM »
Copypasta won't help you here, Matty boy.
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« Reply #37 on: October 01, 2007, 04:04:07 PM »
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Ms. Gonnerman’s article “School of Shock,â€
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« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2007, 02:08:29 PM »
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Survey: Foster Parents Paid Less Than Cost of Raising Children
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NEW YORK  â€”  Most states reimburse foster parents significantly less than the actual cost of raising a foster child, complicating the task of finding good homes for children who need them, according to a first-of-its-kind survey.

The survey analyzed regional living expenses and calculated on a state-by-state basis the minimum cost of adequately raising a foster child. Only Arizona and the District of Columbia pay foster parents more than this minimum amount, according the survey.

To adequately cover the cost of rearing a foster child, base payments in 28 states would need to be raised at least 50 percent, and five states — Idaho, Missouri, Nebraska, Ohio and Wisconsin — would need to more than double their current base rates, according to report. It was compiled by the University of Maryland School of Social Work, the National Foster Parent Association, and Children's Rights, a New York-based advocacy group, for release Wednesday.

Of the more than 500,000 U.S. children in foster care at any given time, about 75 percent live with foster parents, while most of the others are placed in group homes and institutions.

The report expressed concern that inadequate reimbursement rates would worsen a shortfall of foster parents, "potentially increasing the likelihood that children will be placed in institutions or shuttled from one foster placement to another."

"The bottom line is that when these rates don't reflect the real expenses that foster parents face, it's the children who suffer," said Karen Jorgenson, executive director of the Foster Parent Association.

Although child welfare agencies are required by federal law to reimburse foster parents for the cost of raising foster children, there is no national minimum, leaving states and localities free to set their own rates. The result is a huge disparity. The base rates paid for raising a 2-year-old foster child range from $236 a month in Nebraska to $869 in the District of Columbia.

The "minimum adequate rates" in the report represented the cost of providing basic needs — housing, food, clothing, and school supplies — as well as a child's participation in normal after-school sports and activities.

The monthly rates recommended by the report, averaged out on a national basis, were $629 for 2-year-olds, $721 for 9-year-olds and $790 for 16-year-olds. Currently, the average actual monthly base rates offered by states are $488 for 2-year-olds, $509 for 9-year-olds and $568 for 16-year-olds.

While Arizona and the District of Columbia were the only jurisdictions whose base payments exceeded the recommended minimums, 10 other states fell short by only small amounts: Alaska, Connecticut, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Nevada, Tennessee, Texas, West Virginia and Wyoming.

In Nebraska, state officials had advance knowledge that the report would list it as having the lowest base rate, and the administrator of its Child Welfare Unit, Christine Hanus, sent a letter to Children's Rights expressing dismay.

Hanus noted that many Nebraska foster parents receive more than the minimum base rate, as well as extra payments for child care and other purposes. However, she acknowledged in the letter that two-thirds of the payments for foster children under 6 were at the base level of $236 a month — far below the minimum adequate rate of $636 which the report recommended for Nebraska.

In a telephone interview, Hanus said Nebraska's foster parents were meeting the needs of the children in their care.

"Foster parents do not leave because of the money or the care rates," she said.

In Missouri, Department of Social Services Director Deborah Scott noted the state recently increased subsidies to foster parents for the first time since 2001, but acknowledged the rates were still below recommended guidelines.

Julie Farber, director of policy for Children's Rights, said she hoped child welfare officials in states with low rates would use the report to press their legislatures for more funding.

In California, Farber said, the number of foster parents has been dropping, and child welfare officials already have cited inadequate reimbursement as a factor.

"They know it stands in the way of doing their job," she said.
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« Reply #39 on: October 03, 2007, 05:53:48 PM »
Why is the news not covering this?

Why does America not care?

Why do we flip out and damn near jerk off about how we fight for freedom in that damn oily sandbox of the middle east and then do zip.shit for our own kids?

I'm as close as I've ever been to snapping or running away. I'm really, really, really fed up. There is just no excuse.

There is no accountability anymore - unless you're a kid.  :roll:
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« Reply #40 on: October 04, 2007, 04:18:59 AM »
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« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2008, 04:05:22 PM »
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« Reply #42 on: September 10, 2009, 02:28:34 AM »
figured i'd bump this again
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« Reply #43 on: September 10, 2009, 09:39:50 AM »
Worthy bump is worthy bump.
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Re: Read the NYDE report on the Judge Rotenberg Center
« Reply #44 on: December 09, 2009, 12:48:28 PM »
Interesting YouTube clip — Dr. John Breeding* discussing the Judge Rotenberg Center:

    Brainwashing Children, Child Mind Control, School of Shock
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    * Disclaimer: John Breeding has known ties to Scientology, which certainly has brainwashing issues of its own!  :D  ...Nevertheless, he makes some worthwhile points here.
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