HLA and Milonas v. Williams

[Anonymous]

"My goodness - someone is woefully ignorant of facts regarding HLA as well as the U.S. Constitution:
Under Common Law existing at the time of the adoption of the U.S. Constitution, "natural personhood" was considered to begin at natural birth and end with the cessation of the heartbeat.
Next time do a little research before you come onto this site - or grease your mouth with vaseline so your foot comes out easier."

I know a great deal more about HLA then you will ever even imagine.  Don't ask for my identiy, I choose to remain unknown and it will continue to stay that way!
Congratulations, you know the constitution!  I'm very happy that you have the time to  google  up such things.  I don't or choose not to whichever is the case!  I appreciate your insitefullness though!  However, pointing out my lack of knowledge of the constitution does not take away from the point I was trying to make. Get it! Got it, Good!

No, you just choose to be one of the "dumbasses" you chastised in your previous post.  Your statement:

I don't or choose not to whichever is the case!

That's so typical HLA. Thanks for verifying what we already knew... you just choose to stick your head up your ass and not see the real world. You're pathetic.

PS - Did you take English and grammar classes at HLA?

[Anonymous]

strip searches are unnecessary. weather it be by a staff or police officer. the only time they are ok is if your going into a prison. HLA is not a prison. they are a school. as far as i remember...schools dont have strip searches. also, most schools get along ok with a small percentage of students doing drugs. it's a fact of academia. people have always done, and will always do drugs and alchohol and you cant do anything about it.

now think about this....what's the bigger danger? drugs or prison

I don't know if I agree with what Guest123  has to say but I know what you just said is a load of crap. Strip searches as unplesant as they may be are necessary in certian situations.  Remember that the next time you go into any sporting event or airport.  Drugs or Prison?  I love how you have these wonderful things to choose from!  Drugs and Prison are both choices.  If you choose one you must also accept the possiblity of the other!  Most schools!  Well what happens when you put all the bad apples together?  Kind of changes the game a little don't you think? Your right, I can't do anything about it.  I have an idea though, why don't you and all the other people after HLA do some real good, put all that effort into getting drugs out of schools and then we might not even be having this conversation.  For the record though, I do feel that there needs to be some changes with TBS which I feel is the only positive aspect of this whole situation.

[Anonymous]

i dont think you get the point.

drugs are not the problem. drugs are O.K, and even healthy if done responsibly in moderation. (with the exeption of meth, coke, and heroin, and most HLA kids arnt into that). dont even argue with this becouse i will bring down any counter argument with lists and lists and lists of published medical papers with have been proving for YEARS that certain illegal drugs are acctually benificial.  

the problem is other people (authority) making drugs illegal, and therefore, a risk to do. if it wasnt for the illigality, drugs would be a very very very very very minor problem in this society.

yeah and when you get all the bad apples together yada yada... i really dont agree with that. after HLA, i attended an alternative "last-chance" school for the remainder of me senior year. i was one of 3 white kids there. alot of these kids spent time in juvie, had hardcore drug problems, were in gangs, were teen mothers, etc etc. these kids were in this alternative school becouse the school gave them a chance and they wanted to make the best of it. they WANTED to get an education, becouse they were not forced into it, just offered it when they were down on the outs. the drug policy was that what you do on your own time is your bussiness, but if you're in school high or have shit on you, and they catch you, you're out. and guess what? %100 of these kids smoked weed, and only a smal minority on other drugs. over the year no one was caught, there was no problems, nothing. everyone had good grades, the school ran like clockwork, and the kids actually got into college. think about it, kids that were probobly going to end up living on the streets before (they were not privilidged like HLA kids), who were alot worse off, get into better colleges and hold better jobs than the average hla grad. of the 9 other kids in my graduating class, 1 went to NYU, 1 to Hofstra, 1  to eckerd, 2 to skidmore, 3 to CUNY and 1 to SUNY, most on close to full scholarships. HLA doesnt even come close.

who's policy works better?

[Anonymous]

i dont think you get the point.

drugs are not the problem. drugs are O.K, and even healthy if done responsibly in moderation. (with the exeption of meth, coke, and heroin, and most HLA kids arnt into that). dont even argue with this becouse i will bring down any counter argument with lists and lists and lists of published medical papers with have been proving for YEARS that certain illegal drugs are acctually benificial.

the problem is other people (authority) making drugs illegal, and therefore, a risk to do. if it wasnt for the illigality, drugs would be a very very very very very minor problem in this society.

yeah and when you get all the bad apples together yada yada... i really dont agree with that. after HLA, i attended an alternative "last-chance" school for the remainder of me senior year. i was one of 3 white kids there. alot of these kids spent time in juvie, had hardcore drug problems, were in gangs, were teen mothers, etc etc. these kids were in this alternative school becouse the school gave them a chance and they wanted to make the best of it. they WANTED to get an education, becouse they were not forced into it, just offered it when they were down on the outs. the drug policy was that what you do on your own time is your bussiness, but if you're in school high or have shit on you, and they catch you, you're out. and guess what? %100 of these kids smoked weed, and only a smal minority on other drugs. over the year no one was caught, there was no problems, nothing. everyone had good grades, the school ran like clockwork, and the kids actually got into college. think about it, kids that were probobly going to end up living on the streets before (they were not privilidged like HLA kids), who were alot worse off, get into better colleges and hold better jobs than the average hla grad. of the 9 other kids in my graduating class, 1 went to NYU, 1 to Hofstra, 1 to eckerd, 2 to skidmore, 3 to CUNY and 1 to SUNY, most on close to full scholarships. HLA doesnt even come close.

who's policy works better?

 
 I do get the point. Moderation is the problem, and when someone cant control themselves because they have to have them, will do anything to get them, it opens doors to create problems for not just them cause they cant get high, it burdens their family and the people who care about them, society who has to pay for there jail time when and if they get into trouble and theft, robbery, ect...  Alot of what you have said may be true for that Alternative school which is great but it is not a representation of the rest.  Thats only one example.  By the way, congrats to you for turning your life around.  I agree that moderation for things such as Alcohol and weed may be ok, however I think that you are misleading on the other "hardcore" drugs.   I also don't know of any Dr. nor have I ever heard of one who would publicly admit that drugs in general are benificial to you.  Please name some benifits.  Im not saying there are not doctors who have said drugs have benifits but you sure don't hear to much talk about it.  I do agree with you on the legality of drugs issue.  Its the old "if its illegal, its more fun".  Make them legal and that takes the fun and thrill out of there use which would not stop them but put a drastic downswing on there use.

[Anonymous]

well johns hopkins just did a study on psylocin (primary active ingredient in shrooms') last year, and proved definitively that it causes a "profoundly spiritual and life-changing experience" if taken under the right circumstances. personaly, i can keep and keep going on it's benifits. they helped me turn my life around more than hla ever even came close to. it's idiotic to take them "for fun", but when you take them with a specific goal in mind they can do wonders.

hundreds of papers were published in the 50's, 60's and 70's on the benifits of LSD in the treatment of alchoholism. bill wilson, founder of AA, was treated by LSD and swears by it.

MDMA has been used for years for couple's therapy along with some other applications in europe, and before it was criminalized in the 80's.

Ibogaine, (from the african iboga tree) has proved to be a miracle drug for addiction and PTSD treatment. there are clinics set up in canada and mexico. there are numerous reports of 25+ year heroin addicts coming in, and after one session loosing all physical AND mental desire to use any drug for months at a time.

Doctors have been talking about the benificial aspects of red wine for a long time now, no need to clarify.

a study just came out that claims that smoking ciggarets in conjuction with drinking coffee lowers your risk for parkinsons, and is also good symptomatic treatment for it.

no need to go into the theraputic aspects of weed, everyone knows about it since it's such a big political issue now. but i have to say 2 things about it: a study just came out, dont know the specifics but they say that something in marijuana actually prevents or slows lung cancer, and can potentially reverse tumor growth.
also about weed, i think it IS healthy for some people, like me. personally, i can be a real cranky person, i get stressed easy. weed helps center me, calm me down and focus me. it also helps me pay attention in class. it's like taking a 2hr vacation. and vacations ARE good for you.

I firmly belive hard drugs like opiates and amphetamines are pure shit, and cocaine is the devil incarnate. there is no such thing as "healthy" or "moderate" use of these drugs outside of medicine. but the point i was trying to make is that some people have the miraculous ability to manage doing these drugs without bringing themselves or others down. they are a minority. most people get addicted real fast.

now, treatment is definitely the answer to drug addiction.  there is no other way save death in most cases. but, the problem is that HLA is in no way capable of dealing with addicts or treating them, nor is it a proper environment. one of the main issues is that HLA FORCES treatment on kids. one of AA's principal ideas is that you cant force someone to recover, they have to decide for themselves, and usually you need to hit rock bottom for that to happen. forcing someone into treatment only makes things worse. sometimes it works, but most of the time it doesnt.

[Deborah]

Every household should have a copy of Weil's "Chocolate to Morphine".
http://drweilsmarketplace.drugstore.com ... l_m_d_.htm

Weil is open about his past use of illegal substances, claiming, "I think I've tried about every drug," in [his book] From Chocolate to Morphine. He is equally open with his views on ending the War on Drugs, citing the benefits of many banned plants. In fact, the opening paragraph of From Chocolate to Morphine reads: "Drugs are here to stay. History teaches that it is vain to hope that drugs will ever disappear and that any effort to eliminate them from society is doomed to failure."

Weil claims that humans have an innate need to alter their consciousness, and that there is no such thing as good or bad drugs, merely that some individuals have good or bad relationships with certain substances.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Weil

Some examples he cites of human's innate need are children sucking their thumb, rocking, spinning until they fall, masturbating.