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Who wants to see a monk protest?
Antigen:
Shziztz!
Oz girl:
--- Quote from: ""Antigen's Ghost"" ---OzGirl, that's just PR on the part of the Catholic church. Remember the crusades, the Inquisition, the Salem witch hunt? And those are just the wars and slaughters they branded and owned publicly. The Vatican has been up to their proverbial eyebrows in every war in history since it's inception.
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Oh i could not agree more there. My comment was not about the relative merits of the bells and smells branch of the christian faith. I have however always seen an inherent contridiction in the idea that there are many catholics and also other christians who will harrass women approaching abortion clinics or who will not show any understanding of why someone would pick euthenasia on the grounds of the sacredness of life but who support this war even though many die.
I should add that one of the things i despise most about Bush is is arrogant assumption that god is on the side of the West. This is why i do feel somewhat heartened when Christians, particularly those who are stongly pro life, come out against this war. There are certainly many here who do but little meida coverage has been given to christians in the US who oppose the war. i think it is vital that religious people in the US are vocal in their opposition to the war because religious faith now more than ever before has a genuine political influence in the US in a way that it does not in other allied countries. Bush and his idiotic murderous cronies need to be aware that they do not speak for everyone who worships his god.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: ""Oz girl"" ---...i think it is vital that religious people in the US are vocal in their opposition to the war because religious faith now more than ever before has a genuine political influence in the US in a way that it does not in other allied countries. Bush and his idiotic murderous cronies need to be aware that they do not speak for everyone who worships his god.
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Religious faith has political influence because Bush went out of his way to court it. But after he got their votes, he sold them down the river. Bush's actual cynicism vis a vis "religion" is hopefully beginning to be recognized for the self-serving pandering that it really is.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Ursus"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Oz girl"" ---...i think it is vital that religious people in the US are vocal in their opposition to the war because religious faith now more than ever before has a genuine political influence in the US in a way that it does not in other allied countries. Bush and his idiotic murderous cronies need to be aware that they do not speak for everyone who worships his god.
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Religious faith has political influence because Bush went out of his way to court it. But after he got their votes, he sold them down the river. Bush's actual cynicism vis a vis "religion" is hopefully beginning to be recognized for the self-serving pandering that it really is.
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Good God (no pun) you all are talking about this religious / politico thing as if it was actually something new.. ?
Deborah:
--- Quote from: ""Oz girl"" ---
--- Quote from: ""Antigen's Ghost"" ---OzGirl, that's just PR on the part of the Catholic church. Remember the crusades, the Inquisition, the Salem witch hunt? And those are just the wars and slaughters they branded and owned publicly. The Vatican has been up to their proverbial eyebrows in every war in history since it's inception.
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Oh i could not agree more there. My comment was not about the relative merits of the bells and smells branch of the christian faith. I have however always seen an inherent contridiction in the idea that there are many catholics and also other christians who will harrass women approaching abortion clinics or who will not show any understanding of why someone would pick euthenasia on the grounds of the sacredness of life but who support this war even though many die.
I should add that one of the things i despise most about Bush is is arrogant assumption that god is on the side of the West. This is why i do feel somewhat heartened when Christians, particularly those who are stongly pro life, come out against this war. There are certainly many here who do but little meida coverage has been given to christians in the US who oppose the war. i think it is vital that religious people in the US are vocal in their opposition to the war because religious faith now more than ever before has a genuine political influence in the US in a way that it does not in other allied countries. Bush and his idiotic murderous cronies need to be aware that they do not speak for everyone who worships his god.
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Gotta understand how they interpret "thou shall not kill". If you can stomach this shit, here's a couple of examples. So, if you're gonna kill, best claim that you spoke to god and he sanctioned it.
However, like English, Hebrew, the language in which most of the Old Testament was written, uses different words for intentional vs. unintentional killing. The verse translated "Thou shalt not kill" in the KJV translation, is translated "You shall not murder"2 in modern translations - because these translations represents the real meaning of the Hebrew text. The Bible in Basic English translates the phrase, "Do not put anyone to death without cause."2
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/notkill.php
The commandment "thou shall not kill" (Exodus 20:13; Deuteronomy 5:17), is better understood to mean "you shall not murder," most modern translations of the Bible rendered it this way. According to the Bible not all killing, the taking of a life, is murder. Murder is the unlawfully taking of human life. The command not to murder applies to human beings, not to killing animals or plant life for food.
http://www.biblestudy.org/question/notkill.html
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