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Anonymous:
The government does have all the powerful weapons. They have microwave weapons, various gases and chemical agents, flash bang grenades, automatic weapons, highly trained killers willing to raid any house they are told at a moments notice. That's why I think it's silly that gun owners claim the reason is because of the second amendment, patriotic type issues. "I need my gun to keep a check on the government". Fucking PLEASE. If that were true, why is there a patriot act already? Why are there armed checkpoints on my drive to work? Why do people get locked up for thought crimes and crimes on one's own body? I live just south of la and I know it would take a lot of nazis to pacify an area this size, and sprawled. The only way it can be done is through the use of fear, TV, radio, brainwashing, or as we call it in present day America, marketing.

What the fuck would 'the elite' care if poor people are shooting each other to death? They don't, if they could they'd probably open up a handgun store in every black and latino neighborhood and 'let the problem take care of itself'.  It only comes up when their kids are gunned down in their safe haven that isn't as safe as they once thought.

The quintessential redneck gun collector who is waiting for Armageddon or 'the revolution'.. that's a bunch of bullshit. And yet that is the debate the continues over guns, as if modern day Americans are going to have a rebellion. Not gunna happen, they want American Idol and McDonalds. Take those away, not freedoms, and you might have a revolution on your hands.

ajax13:
Just a couple of observations and musings.  The world's capitalists did benefit from the attacks on the United States of September 2001.  The government in the U.S. is controlled due to capitalism, not the other way around.  The accumulation of capital is what allows Deutchebank and Brown Bros. and Citibank etc. to install government after government of clowning albeit viscious criminals.  Money is power, and despite the ravings of the simply unpleasant Ayn Rand, people who accumulate capital use it to do what they want.  
Unbridled capitalism would entail the most successful (cunning, shrewd, avarous, aggressive, ad infinitum) accumulating more and more capital.  Applied to human necessities like shelter and food, the ultimate capitalist should be able to control the production, processing and distribution of food.  Which they soon will do.  A very good capitalist should be able to gain control of land, building materials, and every other aspect of home construction, thus exerting total control over the population.
If your religion encourages the accumulation of capital, which is of course power, then you would be remiss as a capitalist not to strive to accumulate the most.
Marc Rich, super-capitalist comes to mind.  
Capitalism is every bit as much a religion as Zoroastrianism or Christianity.  While commerce is a vital part of human interaction, capitalism is inherently unsustainable.  
Switzerland suits the needs of every corrupt (thus every) leader in the world.  Plundered Nazi gold, Columbian narco-dollars, the winfall of third world arms sales, all of it ends up in Switzerland.  Why would they attack Switzerland?
My great uncle could shoot the cherry off a cigarette with a .303 at fifty yards, and every fellow I knew on the oil rigs owned firearms, from shotguns to squad automatic weapons, but those are rural folks I'm talking about.  In the city, there just ain't much use for them.  
As the Israelis like to demonstrate every so often, if the government doesn't like you, they can put a Hellfire missile up your posterior from a helicopter.  You can wave your Ar-15 carbine at them as you come apart at the seams.
And like it or not, when push comes to shove, the communists always resist more effectively than anybody else.  Look at the German First World War vets fighting Franco in Spain, the Fillipino resistance during the Second World War, along with the Greeks, Italians, Belorussians, French, and Yugoslavs who fought the Germans.  
I don't much care for Soviet fashion, I'll take a Toyota over a Lada any day, and the Cultural Revolution would not have been kind to Louis Armstrong, but the selfishness of capitalism, or libertarianism, or however you want to label the plain old nastiness of Ayn Rand, is what has led to the destruction of the American Republic.
If people want to live through the decline and collapse of the economies of the advanced Western nations, they're going to have to show a little more creativity than Warren Buffet and Randy Weaver.

Oz girl:

--- Quote from: ""Ursus"" ---Most observant of you to point out how a country's size affects its social dynamic!  I was going to say last night, but forgot to do so, that you can easily drive across Lichtenstein and back on your lunch hour.

Something else re. USA social dynamic:  we've never had a major invasion like most other countries have at some point in their history.  With oceans on either side, and more-or-less benign neighbors to the north and south, I doubt most people have seriously considered it; the logistics of pulling something like that off put it in the realm of "not too likely."  That kind of event would change your perspective pretty quick regarding your neighbors...


--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---The most powerful weapon devised this century was not the atomic bomb, it was large scale social control.
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Therapeutic Communities, LGATs, cults, and abusive teen control communities... I always found Orwell scarier than the scariest science fiction.
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i see any blind ideology as a bad thing because they all have their flaws. it seems better to me to take each issue on its merits. As australia ia a similar size and an island so like the US not under much threat of invasion I can see the logic of what ursis is saying. i also understand and sometimes kind of like the US suspicion of govt although it can go too far. But overall govts are astards who do need to be kept honest.
What i dont understand is the alleged suspicion of each other. Afterall if you cant rely on govt then it stands to reason to have a communitarian based approach where people see obligation to each other as a civic duty. This is where i think total unfettered liberalism can go to far.

seamus:
if shit like ruby ridge and waco were done ,as a whole to scare poeple. Damn if i can figure it out .....I think it scared a lot of people into militias,and a couple poeple into blowing up a federal bldg,but I dont think that was exactly the desired result.This countries government is just so huge and sooooooo intrusive. I just want an amendment that gives the right to be LEFT ALONE. Id be good with that.

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