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« on: April 18, 2007, 09:01:25 AM »
What we now know about Hyde, and this is indisputable, is that the school has a history of accepting quite a few deeply troubled students.  Some of these students walk through Hyde's "hallowed" front door with histories of substance abuse, defiant behavior, legal troubles, and very complicated emotional and mental illness issues.

So, what does Hyde do?  Hyde foists upon them lectures about character, as if Hyde's superficial, glib and formulaic preachings are going to get at the root of that kind of complex set of challenges.  Joe Gauld and his minions know how to cure all these ills.

Give me a break.  Hyde takes in these students and doesn't have one iota of bona fide mental health services on its campus.  This is a recipe for disaster, and Hyde has had plenty of them.  What Virginia Tech has taught us, yet again, is that academic institutions, Hyde included, need to have sophisticated protocols in place.  Virginia Tech, at least, has a genuine student mental health center, the way any legitimate, professionally run school would.  (There's only so much a school can do to prevent what happened at Virginia Tech.)  Hyde, on the other hand, takes in a very high-risk population (unlike Virginia Tech) and has NO THERAPISTS ON STAFF.  Is that bizarre, or what?  

What will it take for Hyde to learn? Parents, is this the environment you want your child in?
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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2007, 09:36:03 AM »
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What we now know about Hyde, and this is indisputable, is that the school has a history of accepting quite a few deeply troubled students.  Some of these students walk through Hyde's "hallowed" front door with histories of substance abuse, defiant behavior, legal troubles, and very complicated emotional and mental illness issues.

So, what does Hyde do?  Hyde foists upon them lectures about character, as if Hyde's superficial, glib and formulaic preachings are going to get at the root of that kind of complex set of challenges.  Joe Gauld and his minions know how to cure all these ills.

Give me a break.  Hyde takes in these students and doesn't have one iota of bona fide mental health services on its campus.  This is a recipe for disaster, and Hyde has had plenty of them.  What Virginia Tech has taught us, yet again, is that academic institutions, Hyde included, need to have sophisticated protocols in place.  Virginia Tech, at least, has a genuine student mental health center, the way any legitimate, professionally run school would.  (There's only so much a school can do to prevent what happened at Virginia Tech.)  Hyde, on the other hand, takes in a very high-risk population (unlike Virginia Tech) and has NO THERAPISTS ON STAFF.  Is that bizarre, or what?  

What will it take for Hyde to learn? Parents, is this the environment you want your child in?


I don't find it bizarre that Hyde has no therapists on staff. As has been pointed out elsewhere, if therapists are under oath to report psychologically harmful practices by their employers, then it is not in Hyde's best interests to hire them. This forum is a testimonial to Hyde's psychologically harmful practices. Hyde would have to renounce its seminar- and brother's keeper-oriented approach in order to hire therapists. Given the personalities involved, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2007, 09:44:35 AM »
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What we now know about Hyde, and this is indisputable, is that the school has a history of accepting quite a few deeply troubled students.  Some of these students walk through Hyde's "hallowed" front door with histories of substance abuse, defiant behavior, legal troubles, and very complicated emotional and mental illness issues.

So, what does Hyde do?  Hyde foists upon them lectures about character, as if Hyde's superficial, glib and formulaic preachings are going to get at the root of that kind of complex set of challenges.  Joe Gauld and his minions know how to cure all these ills.

Give me a break.  Hyde takes in these students and doesn't have one iota of bona fide mental health services on its campus.  This is a recipe for disaster, and Hyde has had plenty of them.  What Virginia Tech has taught us, yet again, is that academic institutions, Hyde included, need to have sophisticated protocols in place.  Virginia Tech, at least, has a genuine student mental health center, the way any legitimate, professionally run school would.  (There's only so much a school can do to prevent what happened at Virginia Tech.)  Hyde, on the other hand, takes in a very high-risk population (unlike Virginia Tech) and has NO THERAPISTS ON STAFF.  Is that bizarre, or what?  

What will it take for Hyde to learn? Parents, is this the environment you want your child in?

I don't find it bizarre that Hyde has no therapists on staff. As has been pointed out elsewhere, if therapists are under oath to report psychologically harmful practices by their employers, then it is not in Hyde's best interests to hire them. This forum is a testimonial to Hyde's psychologically harmful practices. Hyde would have to renounce its seminar- and brother's keeper-oriented approach in order to hire therapists. Given the personalities involved, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Mike


I think you're right, Mike.  Hyde is not likely to admit that many of its students need serious mental health counseling.  And no professional mental health therapist would last at Hyde; they'd be caught in a horrible double bind, given the emotional abuse and negligence at Hyde.

So . . . Hyde is making its own bed.  Everyone knows that a significant portion of Hyde's student body is troubled.  Hyde's own materials acknowledge that.  Hyde's narrow-mindedness and arrogance are now biting them where it hurts, in the admissions department.  Because of Fornits, word about Hyde's noteworthy and glaring shortcomings is now spreading far and wide.  Hyde is getting what it has deserved for a very long time.
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Re: Hyde School, Virginia Tech and other musings
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2007, 10:31:23 AM »
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Hyde is making its own bed.  Everyone knows that a significant portion of Hyde's student body is troubled.  Hyde's own materials acknowledge that.  Hyde's narrow-mindedness and arrogance are now biting them where it hurts, in the admissions department.  Because of Fornits, word about Hyde's noteworthy and glaring shortcomings is now spreading far and wide.  Hyde is getting what it has deserved for a very long time.


I am less sanguine than you about the effect Fornits is having on Hyde's ultimate, long-term survival.

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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2007, 10:32:17 AM »
Time to resurrect the old Time Magazine article, to shed some light on Joe Gauld's contempt for dissenting opinion, not to mention children in general!  I know this has been brought up and discussed before, but I'm not sure that anyone bothered to cut and paste it....  This originally appeared in the Monday, August 9th, 1976 issue.  I don't think much has changed about his attitude, ha!

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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 95,00.html

School of Hard Knocks

"Andrew, do you realize that you're a gutless chameleon?" asked Teacher Jim Searles of the shy, withdrawn teen-ager who had come for an interview at the Hyde School in Bath, Me.  Andrew was close to tears, but Searles was only following the sock-it-to-'em pedagogic philosophy of his boss, Hyde Founder Joseph Gauld, 50. Faced with a rebellious applicant, Gauld once shouted, "Listen, I'm telling you either change your attitude around me or I will jam it down your throat."

Although annual fees for tuition, board and room add up to a hefty $4,700, life at the small (enrollment: 175) coed boarding school is almost as rigorous as that of a Marine boot camp. Many of the students are troubled, and short-tempered Gauld treats them like a drill instructor faced with a platoon of left-footed recruits. He occasionally slaps and routinely humiliates the kids--with their parents' tacit consent--in a no-holds-barred effort to toughen them up and build their characters. "The rod is only wrong in the wrong hands," Gauld likes to say. When he finds that a student has what he considers a "bad attitude," Gauld may order him to wear a sign saying I ACT LIKE A BABY, or tell him to dig a 6-ft. by 6-ft. trench and then fill it up. He has even conducted a public paddling ceremony at Hyde.

As headmaster at Berwick Academy in South Berwick, Me., in the early '60s, Gauld (who has degrees from Bowdoin College and Boston University) grew discouraged with what he saw as the "coddling" of students, and an overemphasis on grades. With $100,000 borrowed from family and friends, Gauld bought an old mansion on the Maine coast and set up a school devoted to developing self-confidence and self-discipline. Novel and untested, Hyde could not hope to attract outstanding students; thus Gauld started by accepting teen-agers with a history of mental illness or drug problems. The student body now includes less disturbed youngsters. However, all of them, Gauld says, "have problems." He feels such pupils have a greater capacity for growth than conventional, "successful" children.

Character Grades. Success at Hyde is measured largely by "character growth" rather than academic excellence. Students are given two sets of grades: one for performance in a traditional curriculum laden with remedial courses; the other, which is considered more important, for overcoming personal problems such as being shy or cowardly, as shown in survival tests the school has copied from Outward Bound. The grades in character development are hammered out in a kind of encounter group, where classmates and teachers urge a student to confess his strengths and weaknesses. In similar sessions, teachers are evaluated publicly by the students.

So, in a way, are parents. As one alumnus puts it, "A family, not a kid, comes to Hyde." Parents are required to make a strong commitment to Hyde's philosophy. They participate in two encounter weekend seminars annually, at which everyone criticizes everyone else. One father, for example, may say to another: "Mr. Smith, I have to agree with Bill. You do seem more concerned with your own image than anything else."

Loyal Alumni. For students, the emotional turmoil can be difficult to take. Says Margie Malone, 17: "Everyone wants to run away from here sometime." In fact, each year about 50 students do run away--and 20 never return. Gauld blames the dropout rate on the parents' failure to uphold their pledge to make runaways return to Hyde. Margie ran away, but returned because "my mother stuck by her commitment. It brought us closer together."

Gauld believes all schools could benefit from his methods. For a while he gave up his headmaster post to travel around the country lecturing about Hyde, and he is now writing a book about it. As part of its proselytizing effort, the school also put on a traveling Bicentennial road show called America's Spirit. Starring Hyde teachers and pupils, the show played in Broadway's Circle in the Square theater because the theater's director, Ted Mann, is a Hyde parent.

Despite its small enrollment, Hyde turns out exceptionally good athletic teams, and 95% of its graduates, according to Gauld, have gone on to college. Many are loyal alumni. Says Will Collins, 22, a student at Grinnell College in Iowa: "Hyde is a conservative school advocating not a return to traditional values but to excellence." Some parents credit the school with changing their own lives for the better, as well as "remarkably" improving their children.

But Hyde also has plenty of critics.

Asks J.B. Satterthwaite, retired head of the English department at Groton School in Groton, Mass.: "If a teen-ager is publicly humiliated, does this build his character? Does it build the character of other students who are encouraged to take part in such a show?" The school's first teacher, Ray Fisher, who quit because Gauld permitted no disagreement with his own hawkish views on Viet Nam, charges that Gauld "is completely obsessed. You find that the kids are in effect brainwashed." Doris Vladimiroff, director of HEW'S Upward Bound program in Maine, whose son went to a Hyde summer session, complains: "Gauld's techniques are nothing less than demoniacal."

Despite the large number of problem children, there are no psychologists on the school's staff, because Hyde teachers prefer to "use our gut feelings." When that approach fails, Gauld has referred students to Richard Evans, a psychiatrist in Brunswick, Me. Like many parents of Hyde students, Evans is willing to give the school the benefit of the doubt. Says he: "Frankly, I'm puzzled. But ordinary methods don't work with the kinds of kids going to Hyde. The school does make a real effort to reach these children. It is doing something no one else is willing to do."
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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2007, 10:36:21 AM »
By the way, I never heard of this psychiatrist, Richard Evans, nor heard of his services being employed.  And yet, I do believe that Hyde tried to pass off my later dissatisfaction with the place by implying that I was "crazy."  Yeah, right. :rofl:  :rofl:
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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2007, 02:04:44 PM »
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Time to resurrect the old Time Magazine article, to shed some light on Joe Gauld's contempt for dissenting opinion, not to mention children in general!  I know this has been brought up and discussed before, but I'm not sure that anyone bothered to cut and paste it....  This originally appeared in the Monday, August 9th, 1976 issue.  I don't think much has changed about his attitude, ha!

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 95,00.html

School of Hard Knocks

"Andrew, do you realize that you're a gutless chameleon?" asked Teacher Jim Searles of the shy, withdrawn teen-ager who had come for an interview at the Hyde School in Bath, Me.  Andrew was close to tears, but Searles was only following the sock-it-to-'em pedagogic philosophy of his boss, Hyde Founder Joseph Gauld, 50. Faced with a rebellious applicant, Gauld once shouted, "Listen, I'm telling you either change your attitude around me or I will jam it down your throat."

Although annual fees for tuition, board and room add up to a hefty $4,700, life at the small (enrollment: 175) coed boarding school is almost as rigorous as that of a Marine boot camp. Many of the students are troubled, and short-tempered Gauld treats them like a drill instructor faced with a platoon of left-footed recruits. He occasionally slaps and routinely humiliates the kids--with their parents' tacit consent--in a no-holds-barred effort to toughen them up and build their characters. "The rod is only wrong in the wrong hands," Gauld likes to say. When he finds that a student has what he considers a "bad attitude," Gauld may order him to wear a sign saying I ACT LIKE A BABY, or tell him to dig a 6-ft. by 6-ft. trench and then fill it up. He has even conducted a public paddling ceremony at Hyde.

As headmaster at Berwick Academy in South Berwick, Me., in the early '60s, Gauld (who has degrees from Bowdoin College and Boston University) grew discouraged with what he saw as the "coddling" of students, and an overemphasis on grades. With $100,000 borrowed from family and friends, Gauld bought an old mansion on the Maine coast and set up a school devoted to developing self-confidence and self-discipline. Novel and untested, Hyde could not hope to attract outstanding students; thus Gauld started by accepting teen-agers with a history of mental illness or drug problems. The student body now includes less disturbed youngsters. However, all of them, Gauld says, "have problems." He feels such pupils have a greater capacity for growth than conventional, "successful" children.

Character Grades. Success at Hyde is measured largely by "character growth" rather than academic excellence. Students are given two sets of grades: one for performance in a traditional curriculum laden with remedial courses; the other, which is considered more important, for overcoming personal problems such as being shy or cowardly, as shown in survival tests the school has copied from Outward Bound. The grades in character development are hammered out in a kind of encounter group, where classmates and teachers urge a student to confess his strengths and weaknesses. In similar sessions, teachers are evaluated publicly by the students.

So, in a way, are parents. As one alumnus puts it, "A family, not a kid, comes to Hyde." Parents are required to make a strong commitment to Hyde's philosophy. They participate in two encounter weekend seminars annually, at which everyone criticizes everyone else. One father, for example, may say to another: "Mr. Smith, I have to agree with Bill. You do seem more concerned with your own image than anything else."

Loyal Alumni. For students, the emotional turmoil can be difficult to take. Says Margie Malone, 17: "Everyone wants to run away from here sometime." In fact, each year about 50 students do run away--and 20 never return. Gauld blames the dropout rate on the parents' failure to uphold their pledge to make runaways return to Hyde. Margie ran away, but returned because "my mother stuck by her commitment. It brought us closer together."

Gauld believes all schools could benefit from his methods. For a while he gave up his headmaster post to travel around the country lecturing about Hyde, and he is now writing a book about it. As part of its proselytizing effort, the school also put on a traveling Bicentennial road show called America's Spirit. Starring Hyde teachers and pupils, the show played in Broadway's Circle in the Square theater because the theater's director, Ted Mann, is a Hyde parent.

Despite its small enrollment, Hyde turns out exceptionally good athletic teams, and 95% of its graduates, according to Gauld, have gone on to college. Many are loyal alumni. Says Will Collins, 22, a student at Grinnell College in Iowa: "Hyde is a conservative school advocating not a return to traditional values but to excellence." Some parents credit the school with changing their own lives for the better, as well as "remarkably" improving their children.

But Hyde also has plenty of critics.

Asks J.B. Satterthwaite, retired head of the English department at Groton School in Groton, Mass.: "If a teen-ager is publicly humiliated, does this build his character? Does it build the character of other students who are encouraged to take part in such a show?" The school's first teacher, Ray Fisher, who quit because Gauld permitted no disagreement with his own hawkish views on Viet Nam, charges that Gauld "is completely obsessed. You find that the kids are in effect brainwashed." Doris Vladimiroff, director of HEW'S Upward Bound program in Maine, whose son went to a Hyde summer session, complains: "Gauld's techniques are nothing less than demoniacal."

Despite the large number of problem children, there are no psychologists on the school's staff, because Hyde teachers prefer to "use our gut feelings." When that approach fails, Gauld has referred students to Richard Evans, a psychiatrist in Brunswick, Me. Like many parents of Hyde students, Evans is willing to give the school the benefit of the doubt. Says he: "Frankly, I'm puzzled. But ordinary methods don't work with the kinds of kids going to Hyde. The school does make a real effort to reach these children. It is doing something no one else is willing to do."


Well, not much has changed at Hyde other than trying to curtail the physical abuse ie slapping or hitting kids.  The only reason they stopped that was because it is now illegal!  My opinion is that Joey G probably is very frustrated he cannot still hit these kids.

I am glad you posted this old article.  It is shocking, yet validating to what I experienced.
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2007, 02:26:58 PM »
Hopefully the tennis balls and carpet material will suffice to satisfy his longings.  If not, I've got some lignacious material that needs shredding before being added to the compost pile...
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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2007, 11:24:56 AM »
Jim Searles ... What is he doing now?  Did he leave with Joe or get kicked out when he came back?
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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2007, 01:21:06 PM »
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Jim Searles ... What is he doing now?  Did he leave with Joe or get kicked out when he came back?


Not a clue; however, there is a James W. and Claudia F. Searles listed as residing in Bath, Maine.  Perhaps they are still involved with the school.
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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2007, 03:23:59 PM »
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Jim Searles ... What is he doing now?  Did he leave with Joe or get kicked out when he came back?

Not a clue; however, there is a James W. and Claudia F. Searles listed as residing in Bath, Maine.  Perhaps they are still involved with the school.



  That is highly unlikely.
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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2007, 03:30:17 PM »
Well... I wouldn't really know, and you must know them considerably better.  They always struck me as "good sorts," not of the more rabid proselytizing ilk.  The address is not 616 High Street, for what it's worth.
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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2007, 04:30:25 PM »
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Well... I wouldn't really know, and you must know them considerably better.  They always struck me as "good sorts," not of the more rabid proselytizing ilk.  The address is not 616 High Street, for what it's worth.


  Everyone who was not related to a Gauld by blood or marriage is gone from those days.
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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2007, 04:38:07 PM »
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Everyone who was not related to a Gauld by blood or marriage is gone from those days.


A most telling statement, eh?
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2007, 09:18:45 PM »
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Hyde is making its own bed.  Everyone knows that a significant portion of Hyde's student body is troubled.  Hyde's own materials acknowledge that.  Hyde's narrow-mindedness and arrogance are now biting them where it hurts, in the admissions department.  Because of Fornits, word about Hyde's noteworthy and glaring shortcomings is now spreading far and wide.  Hyde is getting what it has deserved for a very long time.

I am less sanguine than you about the effect Fornits is having on Hyde's ultimate, long-term survival.

Mike


"More than 80,000 people die each year from coronary heart diseases caused by smoking."
http://www.americanheart.org/presenter. ... ifier=4549

It says that cigarettes will kill you right in the pack.  

What is a web site going to do to parents who send their kids to Hyde.  Remember, they are sending their kids to Hyde in part because they are, in some cases, bad parents, so they are already self selected.
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