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« on: April 13, 2007, 04:03:42 AM »
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This rings a lot of bells here

anybody seen this before?  connection to CEDU?

Maybe i read it.. or skimmed it at Benchmark...

Seems to be influenced by Transactional Analysis... which makes sense

take a look

oh... and check out his writings on good and evil:

check this out
... just seven shades of fucked up...
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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2007, 02:26:28 AM »
At first I thought I recognized this, but then I did some research and discovered the text I had mistaken it for:
Why Am I Afraid to Tell You Who I am?

This first came out in 1969, I believe.  The "Who Am I?" link you note in your post above appears to be somewhat of a re-write of the same material.

Yeah, a lot of influence from TA; that material was a gold-mine for the budding self-help industry back then.

Interestingly, there have been a number of sexual abuse allegations that have surfaced recently re. Father John Powell, the author of the very popular "Why am I Afraid..." text.  Take that for what it's worth...
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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2007, 05:36:11 AM »
I also found reference to another similar sounding text at the end of an 8-page 1970 Synanon piece titled "Toys For Thought," probably by Dederich.  Recommended reading at the end of this piece:

What's It All About & What Am I? by Richard B. Gregg (New York, 1968).  

I have been unable to find confirmation of the existence of this book elsewhere, but other books written by Gregg which show up on a search on FetchBook are:

Power Of Nonviolence (multiple editions and revisions, from 1960 to 1984),  
Psychology and Strategy of Gandhi's Nonviolent Resistance (1972),
Value of Voluntary Simplicity (1983),
Symbolic Inducement and Knowing: A Study in the Foundations of Rhetoric, 1st Edition (1984), and
Toward the Twenty-First Century: The Future of Speech Communication (as Editor, 1995)

Given Synanon's avowedly nonviolent stance back in those days, and the hero status accorded Ghandi, I don't doubt that Gregg was one of Dederich's favorite authors at the time...
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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2007, 05:53:14 AM »
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Given Synanon's avowedly nonviolent stance back in those days, and the hero status accorded Ghandi, I don't doubt that Gregg was one of Dederich's favorite authors at the time...


A picture of Gahndi was hung in one of the central halls at Benchmark... If i'm not mistaken, there was also one of Yoko-ono and John Lennon.  Those were the only two portraits I can recall. I can't think of many others (besides the motivational posters plastered all over the place ("Teamwork".... "Excellence"....)  Oh god I love Despair Inc...
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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2007, 07:34:42 AM »
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If i'm not mistaken, there was also one of Yoko-ono and John Lennon.


"Give Peace A Chance."

Speaking of motivational phrases... who is that actually said "Today is the first day of the rest of your life?"  Synanon folks seem to think it was Chuck Dederich... Did a google, nobody knows, but one source attributed it to Abbie Hoffman!  Talk about two people heading in opposite directions!  Ha!
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« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2007, 07:59:05 AM »
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If i'm not mistaken, there was also one of Yoko-ono and John Lennon.

"Give Peace A Chance."

Speaking of motivational phrases... who is that actually said "Today is the first day of the rest of your life?"  Synanon folks seem to think it was Chuck Dederich... Did a google, nobody knows, but one source attributed it to Abbie Hoffman!  Talk about two people heading in opposite directions!  Ha!


My dad used that phraise several times with me since benchmark.. Every time i get pissed off and tell him never to use that phrase again.  I don't know if it started with Synanon...  My dad claims it is a "Christian phrase" but i never heard him use it until he sent me to Benchmark.  I believe i've heard it at AA meetings as well...  Whatever it came from, I vividly remember my counselor using that phrase immediately after exiting Friendship Workshop...  Lots of little buttons... snippets, phrases.. set me off.

I probably shouldn't hate AA, considering it's voluntary, and it works for some... I mean i have respect for those who can make it work for them...  But for me.  If i was an alcoholic or an addict, i could never go to one of those meetings again.  I would rather die.  It's just too many bad memories.  They made all kids go to AA meetings regardless of their issue.  Whether it was ADHD, or anxiety, or depression, it was all an addiction that we could overcome if we just "let go and let god"...  Schizophrenia too... We sat in little groups together with staff escorting us and were not allowed to share, but they would let us go up and get those chips...  We couldn't get coffee either, since coffee was a drug...  They gave us lots of Aderall though, and Prozac, and Xanax, and Trazidone etc etc etc.  Is it legal?  Who knows..  Getting government employees to get off their asses and do their jobs with any degree of competence is... difficult.

To this day, "let go and let god" means giving up control of myself to another.. one who will abuse that trust... Because program was the God...  Program could save you...  I suppose AA has the same issue (if one was an agnostic), but nobody forced anybody to do the steps in AA... Even if you were court-ordered you could just sit there.  We, on the other hand, had to convert, had to admit that our lives were unmanagable (even if they were fine)...  We had to rewrite our life story until we got it right, until it was "truthful" and we were being "real".  We were headed down the wrong path, towards insanity, death, or jail...  If we were at Benchmark, we needed to be there (implying somehow, some higher power had wanted us to be there, or that we had put ourselves there because we knew we needed help)...  Mystical Manipulation...  CEDU and stepcraft, est and synanon, bits and pieces of anything that worked...
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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2007, 10:20:49 AM »
AA is not voluntary for the family members of the person who falls in love with it. Neither is it when you are locked in a treatment center and forced to do it, like psy said. At best it delays or takes away from real treatment that might work ((for those with real chemical issues) but we know that's not the case with most kids (in programs or family members of AA fanaticals)). So it's not just redundant, or   delaying the inevitable, it's actually planting the seed of ________ (fill in blank).
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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2007, 03:54:13 PM »
Exactly it creates kids with drug or blank issues.

You're sent away somewhere in isolation at a time when you are searching for an identity. Your brain is scrabled in constant "groups" and brutally "contfronted" by 10-200 of your peers, your elders. Then you work in silence at humiliating tasks like scrubbing toilets, gathering wood..things that "readjust" what you expect out of life in the downward direction.

Lots of isolation within the isolation, no speaking during work, or special additional isolation, you become dazed receptive. You are in constant terror of your "peers" who are now your lfe-givers or destroyers
"Will they force public nudity on me, emotionally disembowel me, send me to clean and work in the wilderness like Cinderella or Raupunzel wondering in the desert for 10 years? Beat me? Will the staff do the same?"

The cruelty is as terrifying and bizzare as in any fariy tale(......and, as in a fairtale it is cruelty inflicted upon children,   innocent maidens) Oh but if you beleive you are a drug/sex/alchohal/inanse addict/freak/failure the attacks lessen.

And then you are back out in regular society so you continue beng what you are -a junkie!
 WHat else are you anyway...thats your only identity..before you were an artist a rebel..but thats not true..you are a junkie, you learned that!

How else do you relate to the world except as a junkie
its like kidnapping a boy and making him think he is a girl
obviously now he is going to interact with the world as a girl

even if he thinks he is a recovered girl...he will always have that inner girl waiting to get out, afterall once a girl always a girl you never stop being a girl right?. Also, the damaged  brain of a boy who has been made to think he is a girl is going to have alot of problem solving, critical thinking, and perception issues. When he does drugs..it wont be like a normal person taking drugs it will be like a man with a lobotomy ..... not understanding or seeing clearly what he is doing

ever see the movie "deer hunter"?
you know how the guy whose forcibly played russian roulette with continues to inflict that on himself "willingly" . Thats what goes on with drug addicted kids after program...What is wrong with this world that this is allowed?
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