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Offline Truth Searcher

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« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2007, 08:07:08 AM »
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The only thing I learned to do was fight harder than the jocks


And that is exactly what these young men learned.  The difference is that they used an arsenal of firearms ... and you used your fists.  

I didn't say they were representative of the geek crowd.  I said that being outside of the mainstream (geeky) and bullied by the mainstream (athletes ... "in crowd") was one component of their rage.

Of course they had other precipitating personality quirks.   Lots of people are sociopaths and do not go on shooting rampages.

My point is that suggesting one causative agent is over simplistic.  Many forces at work here.
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« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2007, 09:00:29 AM »
Actually truth seeker that was what i had thought as well until i started to read about this a bit further. Apparently the local cop & the FBI discovered early on that they boys were not especailly vilified at all. The kids who were referred to as the "trench coat mafia" had mostly graduated and were not even in the 2 boys yr level. in fact harris was described by many kids as "a nice guy".
 The reason why they wore the big coats was because they hid all the ammo. apparently the local cop was mentioning these things early on but the media was too busy declaring open season on sixteen year old wierdos to care.
I agree with you that schools everywhere need to come down harder on bullying. I does have a serious effect on kids esteem.
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« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2007, 10:03:15 AM »
LOLS.. I love it when I see Al Gore Douche Bag Liberalism owned by facts.

Well done Oz.

You missed my post completely didn't you TS. First of all I made it pretty clear that I grew up in a very violent atmosphere. I was surrounded by numerous firearms from a very early age. The amount of damage I could have inflicted on my high school would have made columbine look like a day at a bb gun range. YET.. I never choose to make that choice.

NO one forced those dipshits to take up arms and go on a killing rampage. THEY choose that on their own.

The only important causative factor here of Columbine is someone didn't encourage the bastard's mothers to get abortions when they had the chance.
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« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2007, 10:47:05 AM »
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Havent kids always gotten into punchups at school?


Yep, and long before there was institutionalized education. When you warehouse kids (adults too for that matter) in boring environments that aren't life supporting and stimulating, violence is a natural consequence- what schools, TBSs, prisons have in common. The frustration that results is often taken out on each other rather than the adults/guards.
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« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2007, 10:51:45 AM »
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Columbine really threw everyone for a loop. Parents accustomed to blaming youth violence on subjective poverty and race previously contained in the urban ghettos, didn't understand it. Here were two kids raised in seemingly wonderful upper middle class white families, attending one of the nicest schools in the world (with enough video cameras to capture the whole event). Who do you blame? They tried to pin it on video games and Marilyn Manson the musician and finally their parents for not 'seeing it'. The truth is much scarier, and so nobody really takes a deeper look. Time we take a look under the carpet and see what's been piling up.


Wonderful middle class homes? It's noteworthy that all the shooters were taking psychiatric drugs, namely antidepressants. Since the FDA was forced to add a blackbox warning that they cause suicide ideation in juveniles. We would benefit from looking at what's being swept under the rug and tolerated due to economic demands on families, lack of pro-life public policies, etc.
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« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2007, 06:00:20 PM »
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Columbine really threw everyone for a loop. Parents accustomed to blaming youth violence on subjective poverty and race previously contained in the urban ghettos, didn't understand it. Here were two kids raised in seemingly wonderful upper middle class white families, attending one of the nicest schools in the world (with enough video cameras to capture the whole event). Who do you blame? They tried to pin it on video games and Marilyn Manson the musician and finally their parents for not 'seeing it'. The truth is much scarier, and so nobody really takes a deeper look. Time we take a look under the carpet and see what's been piling up.


I found it really interesting that the media focused on the fact that the 2 boys were from middle class backgrounds. i think this aspect did scare middle america. I can see why. But when you really think about it this argument can become a way to vilify any "troubled teen" who is not from a poor background. The same idea was purpetuated in the British version of Brat camp. Even when it was glaringly obvious that some of the kids really did have nutbar parents and that there could have been many contributing factors to some of their issues.
While there have been links between property crime and poverty for a while, and it is easy to see that the strong social stresses that come with poverty can contribute to some crimes, social class has rarely been a factor for mass murderers and serial killers.  Look at Ted bundy.
Mike males once pointed out that there would quite rightly be an outrage if Sam burkowitz was referred to as a typical Jew or Myra hinley as a typoical woman but it was perfectly acceptable for the media to refer to these 2 boys as typical teens.
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