My mistake I see the link now. Yeah so obviously this doesnt sit well with the PURE hate club here, thats no surprise. My point is that if you simply emailed them and had a rational discussion, or a website or blog or something explaining why PURE sucks in program survivors to suit their agenda of referral then you might get them to take them down. Going straight to attacking them publicly on a forum is counterproductive. It makes you look crazy and not credible. That is reality of perception, doesn't matter if your argument might be right. Dont let hate for PURE and SS be diverted to those who are also fooled by her. Wernt you both fooled by her once? I assume that is where all this hatred is coming from, am I right? Laughed and ridiculed at, that is a subtle threat that if these kids dont take down the link you will continue with the public humiliation threads. That is a threat, similar to what hate groups do. No open discussion, either you do what we say, or as an organized hate group we will publicly attack you, its nothing new. I am just surprised this is the first tactic used by supposed peopel on the same side. third point, how many program parents listen to heavy metal and hard rock. these songs were written by survivors, for survivors and i doubt they made these for parents who are seeking advice on where to place there kid. 'who killed karly newman' or 'the disguise' or the other song, you woudlnt even understand half of it if you werent at a wwasps facility. i know this post will not change your mind but its not for you, its for the new posters who come here. to save them the trouble of being dragged down into a community of hate that professes the same views as programs, shutting down discussion when something you dont agree with comes up. instead you could put up a website, blog or announce in a million ways how you feel. instead, you attack and blackmail.