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Offline Antigen

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If you could take back your program experience, would you?
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2007, 12:59:17 PM »
Honestly, if it was just me, just my family, I'm pretty easy going. I was all ready to call it water under the bridge and forget all about it. After all, there's always somebody who has it worse and we should all count our blessings, right?

But it's not just me nor my family. This fucked up toughlove hategroup has acquired serious influence in our society. When the town council of some little city grants an outfit like Pathway Family Center a big pile of money and wide lattitude to 'treat drug addicted youths' they don't know the damage they're underwriting!

I feel obliged to my country and to humanity in general to do what I can to tip them off before the damage is done.
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Re: If you could take back your program experience, would yo
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2007, 10:41:15 PM »
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I think that even negative experiences can make you stronger, and you can benefit from them. Unless a group of people comes along who profits from the victimization industry and holds you down in the muck, or wants to use your victimhood to further their politic goals by perpetuating and exaggerating your stories. Repressed memories and all that bullshit, ya know.


Moving on means leaving others behind.  Leaving my friends, the ones I can't find, to believe their parents knew what was going on...  It means leaving this shit to continue to happen to others.

No I wouldn't take my experiences back.  That would be selfish.  Sure I might feel better.  But I wouldn't know what I know now, and, like the rest of society would probably continue to ignore the existence of this industry.

Negative experiences do not make you stronger, they merely make you more numb to pain, cut off from love, compassion, and who you used to be.  Can you remember who you were?
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If you could take back your program experience, would you?
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2007, 11:02:24 PM »
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no i wouldnt take it back becaue i had a pretty good time while at some programs. it was my own chioces and misbehavior that got me there. yeah there was a couple kids whos parents sent them for no reason but most of us were assholes or whatever and deserved it or worse than what we got.

You believe that becuase you were taught to blame yourself... that you were "responsible" for everything that happened to you.  Perhaps you needed help...  But did you really get what you needed?

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i count my blessings i ended up in a place that fed and clothed me everyday when i could have been born in a third world country.

Yup.  It could have been worse.  However, I've lived in a third world country.  There is very little difference between communist re-education and program "emotional growth".  It's more subtle, but it's just as sinister.  Sure we were fed and clothed, but I would rather have been starved and naked, with my mind in-tact.

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we are a bunch  of spoiled brats and over privileged kids from mostly fairly well off families bitching about being kept against our will. most kids would give their right arm for a family that cares about them that much and to be sent to a place that provides safe shetler and food.

Oh yeah... your parents cared...  Maybe they did care.  But whatever their reasons, they did abandon you.  They cared so much they didn't believe you when you cried out for help.  Or do you really believe you were manipulating by repeating what you saw.  You were beaten down so much you started to question reality, what you were seeing in front of your eyes. You learned to re-interpret your entire perception of reality.

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for y our own good realize that what happened to you wass a good thing and only done to help you.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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if your parents did not care they would have just let you kill yourself at home with drugs and partying.

Is that where it always leads?  Death?  Please... partying in this country is tame compared to that in Europe.  The difference is it's accepted as a normal part of growing up... and indeed, most do grow out of the "partying" stage.

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at least your parents cared enough to try something even if it wasnt the perfect option at least they tried. this forum spends its time trying to convince kids that they are brainwashed if they hold any positive emotions toward a program and tell parents programs are equivilent to nazi death camps and shit like that.

Many kids were brainwashed.  Programs contain all 8 features of Robert Lifton's Brainwashing process.   In program this is usually justified as "breaking people down and building them up again"

I think you should read the above link and see the similarities for yourself.  If you don't see them I would be glad to elaborate.

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enjoy the view from inside the burning house known as fornits... maybe you just dont see the flames yet.


Not going to happen.
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If you could take back your program experience, would you?
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2007, 12:38:26 AM »
"That which does not kill you can make you stronger. But I really never needed to be this strong."
- Scott Wagner

Tip of the hat to Ginger for that one.  :tup:


Truly, the only "benefit" the experience serves is to warn others.
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If you could take back your program experience, would you?
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2007, 01:35:33 AM »
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I feel obliged to my country and to humanity in general to do what I can to tip them off before the damage is done.


Damn right!
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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2007, 05:02:46 AM »
its pretty dumb to take the time to respond to something so stupid but you ask...
""Dont you feel you learned something""

and then you tell us what yourve learned

"""most of us were assholes or whatever and deserved it or worse than what we got..
we are a bunch of spoiled brats ""
""for y our own good realize that what happened to you wass a good thing ""

So apparently what you learned through being treated like gargabe was that you are garbage and deserve to be treated like garbage. You also learned abuse is the how one "loves"another.

This is obviously  degenerative for a young person to "learn" . it is not  "learning" ; it is human being being "broken" to the point they  confuse being treated like they are worthless with being worthless .

This sets them up to expect abuse and to abuse in  future relationships and for subconscious self destruction, as well as to not being able to function normally as their brain has been modified to interact with the world under the specification that they are a lesser species deserving of torment.

The above is just the obvious damage done to the self concept, and it ignores the the more saturated damage done to the overall brain in order to induce these thoughts- "the breaking of the mind" has consequences far greater then simple self hatred


""(You are) over privileged kids from mostly fairly well off families bitching about being kept against our will. most kids would give their right arm for a family that cares about them that much and to be sent to a place that provides safe shetler and food""

You have cheapened the value of your lsupposed life. Not starving to death is  a very small part of what human beings deserve and need to not be destroyed. Otherwise, slaves, humans kidnapped by sexual predators, people held in prisons by oppressive goverments all have fantastic lives and are being treated wonderfully. These people, like we in program ,would actually be happier dealing with "low food security" than be imprisoned and tortured

Also, As a staff member pretending to be a  child, you bring up how much richer the kids are than you and obviously your resent them for that. But by trying to bring them "to your level" where bare sustanance is all they expect and teaching them to be ashemed of their families wealth and reject finacial bounty does not help them.

"move on allready!"
You say this is response to hearing of the suicide(murder) of a child that you theoretically want to help. The destruction of a human child is not something that should be reffered to so flippantly and callously as if you are discussing I dont know..a failed soufle. This is a souless reaction.

Through your dehumanization toward of the children kidnapped and tortured, your sad description of yourself and expetations for life, and your souless callousness, it is clear that wether you are a staff memember or a real survivor that cult style thought reform is not  a stepping stone to learning anything anymore than being an abused child, or spendning a life in prison helps you learn....it just damages the develoupent an ordinary healthy human mind.
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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2007, 03:19:46 PM »
Bump.
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