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« Reply #60 on: February 07, 2007, 11:06:20 PM »
Great job Psy! The Father is in the process of packing his sons bags as we speak (P.S. thanks for sharing you being bi with all of us)! I'm not real sure why you brought that up, but wow thanks! As far as me, and my own personal thread over on WWASPS, who cares,  Dad will see even of this mature behaivor that you exibit here. That's the last you'll hear from him. Great job dude!
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« Reply #61 on: February 07, 2007, 11:09:16 PM »
Quote from: ""CCM girl 1989""
Great job Psy! The Father is in the process of packing his sons bags as we speak (P.S. thanks for sharing you being bi with all of us)! I'm not real sure why you brought that up, but wow thanks! As far as me, and my own personal thread over on WWASPS, who cares,  Dad will see even of this mature behaivor that you exibit here. That's the last you'll hear from him. Great job dude!

If you really cared you would have continued this in the thread I started for this purpose.  I even provided a link.  now please stick to the topic at hand.
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« Reply #62 on: February 07, 2007, 11:10:42 PM »
CCM,
Why would you have him call a WWASP school? That is the type of place to be avoided at all costs. Seems like a waste of the man's time to me.

The poster admitted to two mistakes my own parents made. One, the attempted use of force and, two, bribes. My Mom used to pay me to go to little league. I took the money and bought cigarettes and candy and never went to the games.

To the Dad,
Besides, if your boy is really depressed, bribes will not be enough motivation. My Dad used force which just made me better at not getting caught and drove a communication wedge between us. I was afraid to talk to him.

These are both attempts to control your son. Control over another is really an illusion as any therapist or counselor will tell you.

At the same time, don't try to punish or control him by removing positive things from him. If guitar lessons are a good thing, don't take a good thing away from him. Instead encourage the good things. Removing things he really cares about that are positive will only make him hate and resent you more.

I can't solve your problem because I don't know you or your son and there is no way anyone can diagnose your situation from a few web postings.

All I can say is that you need to build trust. Listen more, bite your tongue. Don't contradict or discredit what he says, just offer your own view point and advice. He may not appear to be listening, but he will hear you. Do this as you would to an adult friend. He will listen to suggestions more readily than orders.

Your son is approaching adulthood and you will gain a great deal of credibility with him if you treat him more like one. Also, just expect him to act like one and act surprised (but not angry) when he doesn't. Treat him like the kind of person you want him to be and see if he grows into the new image.

Ask him for advice on something, anything, a big family purchase, or a vacation decision or something that makes him feel like his view really counts. Include him on any education decisions. In other words give him a voice and a choice and the responsibility to go along with it.

You are not the boss anymore, you are the mentor, advisor, and safety net. This does not mean there are no house rules. The house rules apply to everyone, even you.

Be patient. You will not immediately stop his current behavior and the process is not linear. Success is two steps ahead, one back and cannot be measured daily. You'll just drive yourself crazy.
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« Reply #63 on: February 07, 2007, 11:14:47 PM »
Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
I'm sorry but this discussion is bordering on absurd. You don't need to hit your child. Nor do I want you to defend yourself from him. If he gets violent call the police. You posted that these fights result in bloody noses and bruises so the message you are sending is already far more fucked up than the one you would be sending him by backing away.

What I am saying is it appears to me that your son would be safer with the police than with you.

Not the other way around.


avoid before check,
check before injure,
injure before maim,
maim before kill
- Shaolin Credo

There are situations where you cannot run.  In which case, his son could harm him if he did not fight back.  And ... unlike you ... i really don't trust the 50.  They are more than likely to use "less than lethal force" before resorting to subduing somebody.
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« Reply #64 on: February 07, 2007, 11:16:50 PM »
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Quote from: ""CCM girl 1989""
Great job Psy! The Father is in the process of packing his sons bags as we speak (P.S. thanks for sharing you being bi with all of us)! I'm not real sure why you brought that up, but wow thanks! As far as me, and my own personal thread over on WWASPS, who cares,  Dad will see even of this mature behaivor that you exibit here. That's the last you'll hear from him. Great job dude!
If you really cared you would have continued this in the thread I started for this purpose.  I even provided a link.  now please stick to the topic at hand.


Okay, and you being bi and confused, and almost being convinced you were an alcoholic had anything to do with Dad's son?

Where the hell did that come from?!! Geez, if you're going to make rules and tell people what to do. Start off by obeying them yourself buddy!
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« Reply #65 on: February 07, 2007, 11:20:06 PM »
Fuck off, CCM Girl. Seriously, just fuck the hell off.

We already have a programmie on this thread. We don't need two.
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« Reply #66 on: February 07, 2007, 11:21:39 PM »
Great advice AtomicAnt. BTW, the only reason I would have him call a WWASPS school is too learn the set up of them. They are almost identical to one another. No matter how many times they change the name, you can figure it out by the way they are structured.

Chances are he's already called a couple, and didn't even realize it. They are splattered all over the web, we all know that.
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« Reply #67 on: February 07, 2007, 11:22:16 PM »
Dad Trying.  You might want to look at this NIMH data on teen boot camps:
http://http://www1.nmha.org/children/justjuv/bootcamp.cfm
(national instiitute for mental health)
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« Reply #68 on: February 07, 2007, 11:25:41 PM »
Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
Quote from: ""psy""

avoid before check,
check before injure,
injure before maim,
maim before kill
- Shaolin Credo

There are situations where you cannot run.  In which case, his son could harm him if he did not fight back.  And ... unlike you ... i really don't trust the 50.  They are more than likely to use "less than lethal force" before resorting to subduing somebody.

Agreed, but those situations where you can't run are far and few between.

Yes.  But they're much more likely to happen in close quarters (many houses are pretty cramped).  IE, if the son is blocking the way out and there is no way to go...

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I didn't say I trust the 5-0 either, but at this point concerns for the safety of the child are more pressing than the concerns for the safety of a father who engages in a fist fight with his own child. I am saying anyone who subdues someone to the point of causing nose bleeds and bruises needs to check themselves seriously.


I would generally agree.  However not everybody knows how to subdue a person without causing harm such as that.
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« Reply #69 on: February 07, 2007, 11:26:24 PM »
It just occurred to me that your son wants to work but at 15 is having a hard time finding work. Do what my Dad did. Hire him yourself. Got a garage or basement that needs cleaning? How about a car that needs washing?

When I was moping around the house at 14, my Dad offered 50 bucks to clean out his garage. He informed me I could split this with any kids I got to help (a suggestion). I found a friend and we each got 25 bucks for an afternoon of work that kept us busy and out of trouble. My Dad even made and brought us lunch (no charge).

The next job he gave me was to paint the same garage.
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« Reply #70 on: February 07, 2007, 11:31:21 PM »
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Fuck off, CCM Girl. Seriously, just fuck the hell off.

We already have a programmie on this thread. We don't need two.


See this is another fine example of someone who shows respect for others. Definately pay close attention to what this person has to say in regards to what you should do with your son  :roll: .

Next up?!! TSW perhaps? This guy is just crossing you of his list one by one. Keep it up guys, and gals you're doing a fine job of convincing this Dad not to get his child the professional help that they might need.

Take what you want Dad, and leave the rest behind.
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« Reply #71 on: February 07, 2007, 11:35:40 PM »
Quote from: ""AtomicAnt""
CCM,
Why would you have him call a WWASP school? That is the type of place to be avoided at all costs. Seems like a waste of the man's time to me.

The poster admitted to two mistakes my own parents made. One, the attempted use of force and, two, bribes. My Mom used to pay me to go to little league. I took the money and bought cigarettes and candy and never went to the games.

To the Dad,
Besides, if your boy is really depressed, bribes will not be enough motivation. My Dad used force which just made me better at not getting caught and drove a communication wedge between us. I was afraid to talk to him.

These are both attempts to control your son. Control over another is really an illusion as any therapist or counselor will tell you.

At the same time, don't try to punish or control him by removing positive things from him. If guitar lessons are a good thing, don't take a good thing away from him. Instead encourage the good things. Removing things he really cares about that are positive will only make him hate and resent you more.

I can't solve your problem because I don't know you or your son and there is no way anyone can diagnose your situation from a few web postings.

All I can say is that I want you to build trust. Listen more, bite your tongue. Don't contradict or discredit what he says, just offer your own view point and advice. He may not appear to be listening, but he will hear you. Do this as you would to an adult friend. He will listen to suggestions more readily than orders.

Your son is approaching adulthood and you will gain a great deal of credibility with him if you treat him more like one. Also, just expect him to act like one and act surprised (but not angry) when he doesn't. Treat him like the kind of person you want him to be and see if he grows into the new image.

Ask him for advice on something, anything, a big family purchase, or a vacation decision or something that makes him feel like his view really counts. Include him on any education decisions. In other words give him a voice and a choice and the responsibility to go along with it.

You are not the boss anymore, you are the mentor, advisor, and safety net. This does not mean there are no house rules. The house rules apply to everyone, even you.

Be patient. You will not immediately stop his current behavior and the process is not linear. Success is two steps ahead, one back and cannot be measured daily. You'll just drive yourself crazy.


Thanks for a different perspective.
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« Reply #72 on: February 07, 2007, 11:36:02 PM »
Quote from: ""CCM girl 1989""
See I am another fine example of someone who wants parents to send their kids away. Definately pay close attention to what I have to say in regards to what you should do with your son  :roll: .

Who's next to become a programmie? I am dumb and arrogant enough to think that I can speak for the opinions of others. Keep it up guys, gals you're doing a fine job of convincing this Dad not to get his child the "professional" help of sadists.

Take only what I want you to take Dad, and leave sanity and common sense behind.
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« Reply #73 on: February 07, 2007, 11:41:48 PM »
Dad Trying, I asked earlier:  Do you have a repsonsible relative or trusted friend that your son could live with on a temporary basis---since you feel that some of his out-of-control behaviors are a result of his new peer group?

This might offer a chance for a new school setting, as discussed by PUNK70, which seemed to work for his son.

Also: this might offer a chance for all of the family to get involved in family therapy, so things could be worked out--which seems to be what you want for your son.

Good luck.
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« Reply #74 on: February 08, 2007, 12:47:58 AM »
Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
So the message you send back is: "You will do what I want or I will punch you until you do."


No, the message is-- if you attack someone, expect them to defend themselves, and you may get the worst of it.

I always stop when he stops.
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