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Carlbrook thread Part 2
psy:
--- Quote from: ""irvbulldogs72"" ---I do have a point of contention there. We weren't forbidden to discuss our later workshops with our parents. I wrote a long letter detailing my fourth workshop to my parents, which they confirmed having received and we sort of talked through the experience over the phone.
I have yet to see negative repercussions pulsing through the graduate base, and I'm in at least arm's length contact with a good majority of them, and I could get in touch with a good 70% of the graduates that I knew when I was there, and a good deal that arrived after I graduated. I understand that you are in firm belief of the fact that this is cult behavior and is unethical.....
is anyone doing anything about it? I mean, there are ways, through contact with legislation, dropping tips, CPS hotlines, and all of that, for you to enact change or regulation. And I'm sure that you'd be able to find a great number of graduates who share your opinion, having left, gone through their honeymoon phase, and then had their lives crash/PTSD/whatever is supposed to happen. You're very knowledgeable an you have strong research. Have you inquired to RRI about the cultish behavior of the emotional growth boarding schools. I mean, if they're cult busters.....you'd think they'd want to know, have some insight, or any of that.
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Rick Ross already has a few programs... Since the industry is so large, i doubt it would be feasible to include every single one (maybe groups)... But for the most part, Fornits is the best place for information on the industry, and Rick Ross is just another advocate.
For every person that tries to enact legislation changing things, there are entire organizations such as NATSAP, a program protection racket, doing exactly the opposite.
Take Montana for example
Your questions in that last paragraph would take pages to answer. We're all doing what we can here....
Finding graduates... Er.. In my program... There were like 3 of those a year. Finding those program otherwise finished with... It's difficult... but i'm collecting em slowly.
Clarification... I meant to say that you couldn't mention the details until they went through thier own workshop.
irvbulldogs72:
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hanzomon4:
Yeah I read the book and the author does give a small post graduate thing but it's all mostly surface. The similarities are beyond the influence of a few staff people. This place(ASR) and Carlbrook are cedu-reduxs. The author doesn't ask to many questions regarding the efficacy of this kind of "treatment" but at the end does show some skepticism about whether or not ASR made any real change in the kids beyond keeping them alive. Staff also make remarks that hints at dissatisfaction with the "school". At the end some staff lamented about not being able to break a student, yet they said nothing about the student they drove to attempt suicide twice. The author also avoided talking about the girl who attempted suicide while screaming "I want to get out of here" during the post-grad update. After that first suicide attempt she was forced to tell her peer group and parents that she had sex with a boy three times(once in a restroom). The staff made her repeat the program(peer group drop) a few weeks before graduation. That very day she walked off of the grounds and threw her self at a bus(or something). She lived but you don't find out what happened to her.
This whole thing with cedu reminds me of straight. Straight, inc. programs no longer operate with that name but the programs still exist with the same problems. The cedu clones are tougher to crack due to a lack of overt physical abuse. Also the "loaded language" is like trying to understand gibberish for those who never went through the program(isn't that one of the tactic types of thought reform?).
"The harder truth"? Getting called out on your bullshit? Flying under the radar? Journals? The similarities are mind bending!!
nimdA:
In the past here on fornits we've made connections from CEDU to all sorts of other programs. Almost as if the ex-cedu staff emigrated enmasse to other programs once CEDU went bankrupt over the lawsuit they lost.
Spread like a toxic sludge the little motards did.
try another castle:
--- Quote ---TSW and TAC....when/how long did it take for you guys to see things in the strong negative light that you do now. I mean, I know you worked at a facility TSW so you might have a different take on this. But people continually refer to this honeymoon period in which they have nothing but glowing reviews for their program and such, and in trying to objectively reviewing my opinion of Carlbrook, I'm taking into account for the fact that I could, very well, be in that. A little insight into that would be nice.
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Sorry for the late reply. I forgot to mark this thread to watch, so I wasn't getting any alerts.
Things are gradual. I exhibited contradictory behavior to my programming the minute I got out, yet in my mind, the program was still fantastic, even though I was doing things that were understood as "part of my death", as CEDU used to say. So I existed in this contradictory state for about 2 or 3 years, and then my first girlfriend kind of gave me a wake up call when I was going on about how great CEDU was. Had she reached me about a year or so earlier, I would have dismissed her outright, so I was essentially receptive.
So, technically, 3 years for wake up, in my case. After that, years and years to process and let go of all the resentment, anger and hate. By myself. With no sounding board, no other survivors, no therapy. (I had a therapist for a while, but it never occurred to me to talk with her about CEDU.) Like I was telling silent1 in the CEDU forum, it's like a coma. People don't just wake up out of a coma and open their eyes and say "mom??" like they do in the movies. When you first wake up, you may not be able to talk, or even be aware of where you are. Your motor skills may be completely shut down, or only marginal. Depending on how severe the coma was, a person could go through weeks to months to years of rehabilitation, gradually regaining their bearings, lucidity and mobility. Sometimes, they never fully recover.
I used to think CEDU was soft-core compared to some of the other stuff I've read about places like WWASPS and Straight, (and in some ways, it is) but then when I came to fornits I read about the state some CEDU survivors are in, and it broke my heart. Others of us, however, are doing fine. Or as fine as can be expected. I don't know what makes one person weather something like that better than another, though. There are just too many variables to account for. Same way one really can't account for how someone will recover from a coma.
Recovering from the program is a cyclic process for me. You come to new understandings years later, after you think you've worked it all out. Then it goes away. Then it comes back. At least for me, that's how it is. This January, I pulled my workshop and full-time notebooks out for the first time since I graduated, to re-read and to show my therapist. It was really the first time I had actually shown what I had written to anyone else. I was surprised I even cared to look at these things again.
As for PTSD, (which I think you mentioned in another post.) I always dismissed the possibility that I had it. But I have symptoms that for the life of me I could never account for... until I realized they didn't manifest themselves until after the program... and then verified with my therapist that they are indeed long term PTSD symptoms.
--- Quote ---In the past here on fornits we've made connections from CEDU to all sorts of other programs. Almost as if the ex-cedu staff emigrated enmasse to other programs once CEDU went bankrupt over the lawsuit they lost.
Spread like a toxic sludge the little motards did.
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You know, it really freaks me out this gradual reveal which is happening about CEDU's influence. I always thought it was the obscure little place off in the corner that kept to itself and was routinely dismissed by the anti-TBS advocates because it wasn't huge enough to cause that much of a stir or be that much of an influence. Especially when there were/are places like WWASPS and Straight and the Aspen Schools to contend with.
Surprise surprise. I guess we should have expected more from Synanon's first bastard child.
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