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« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2007, 05:52:33 PM »
Quote from: ""Charly""
Psy- I think you put up a lot of stuff (quoting me) that mentioned Carlbrook.  This might have been what Lon meant.  I know I mentioned CEDU.  I didn't know that wasn't OK.


Every time i mentioned Carlbrook i used "C********". I'm sure of that since i double checked every post.  Most of the mentions of Carlbrook were referring to the thread anyway.  I thought it was ok to mention CEDU since it was defunct, and you mentioned it first (without getting it edited).

Oh well.
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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2007, 06:03:06 PM »
No- The quotes from me used the full name and weren't changed.  I asked for the editing of them and Jena fixed it.
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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2007, 06:07:18 PM »
What lon forgot to add was

i dont like it when people say things that cause my mates in the adolescent incarceration business to loose money. You are bad for business
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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2007, 06:10:13 PM »
Quote from: ""Charly""
No- The quotes from me used the full name and weren't changed.  I asked for the editing of them and Jena fixed it.


Whoops.  I must have missed one.  Well in any case you could have just asked me directly.  The other day another ST poster did the same thing and i PMed her about it.
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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2007, 06:32:03 PM »
COMEDY GOLD:

On Jan 30, 2007, at 6:11 PM, Lon Woodbury wrote:
Quote from: ""Another love note from Lonnie boy""
Let's just call this a Time-Out.  Check back next summer to see if you will
be able to check your impulse to provide "witty", "wise-ass" and "missing
the point" thoughts.

I wrote:

You've had pretty much every poster on your board condemn your banning of me.  People are going to leave ST lon.  Including people who are normally your supporters (of which i can think of only three, two if which are coming around).  Where would you be without your free advertising?  You think they won't come to Fornits?  Maybe?  But they might come to the Cafety forums which are lightly moderated.  You don't want that now do you lon?  Imagine what would happen if they began to talk to their kids about program.  I know what my parents (both of them) think about program now.. and they aren't very positive.  You can't put me on bans, or restrict phone calls anymore Lon.  Yeah i know about your RMA past.  This isn't a program, this is life... and censoring what you just plain don't like isn't normally tolerated outside of program and/or communist china.

Un ban me.


Did anybody else notice the phraseology he used.
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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2007, 06:43:18 PM »
Psy- You know I respect your viewpoint, but if you really wanted to get off bans, this was not the way to approach Lon.  He CAN put you "on bans" and he did!  He runs the site and he made it clear what he didn't like.  Whether or not you or some of the rest of us agree or not doesn't matter.  Why would he want someone posting on his site that  speaks to him the way you did in your message to him?  You were insulting and rude.  I know you and everyone else here thinks "he deserves it", but don't expect to get back on the ST forum!   Just as my requests to be treated respectfully on THIS forum were ignored completely, Lon is free to ignore your request to share your viewpoint.  I'm sorry this happened.
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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2007, 06:52:49 PM »
Quote from: ""Charly""
Psy- You know I respect your viewpoint, but if you really wanted to get off bans, this was not the way to approach Lon.  He CAN put you "on bans" and he did!  He runs the site and he made it clear what he didn't like.  Whether or not you or some of the rest of us agree or not doesn't matter.  Why would he want someone posting on his site that  speaks to him the way you did in your message to him?  You were insulting and rude.  I know you and everyone else here thinks "he deserves it", but don't expect to get back on the ST forum!   Just as my requests to be treated respectfully on THIS forum were ignored completely, Lon is free to ignore your request to share your viewpoint.  I'm sorry this happened.


Yes i was a bit rude.  Throwing me off his site for no reason.. no... that wasn't  rude was it?  He is free to ignore my request.  But i will not be the last person to speak out on ST.  There will always be another to carry the torch.

I will NOT bow down and aggree to tow the line as he implied.  "time out" was a euphemism in Benchmark for "thrown the fuck out but still billing the parents".  You should know about that one.  But hey. It gave your kid time  for some very expensive introspection.

His phraseology is what pisses me off more than anything else.  It's something that's transparant to most people.  He is telling me what THOUGHTS i will be able to provide.  NO.  I would rather die. literally.

That i will not submit to.  Dammit don't you get it yet.  It's here and in program...  It's about freedom.  The freedom to have an opinion and keep it.  The freedom to express yourself when you see injustice.  The freedom to be yourself.  The freedom to have a mind of your own.  You don't get how important that is until you have it taken away.

Speach without freedom is about as intelligent as a yammering parrot...  I would rather have my tougue torn out than have somebody else control the content of what i speak...
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« Reply #22 on: January 30, 2007, 06:53:26 PM »
Charly, I'm sorry but thats bullshit.....
psy got booted from ST because he respectfully argued his point with intelligence, something lon apparently can't deal with. I find it odd how people like yourself and lon speak of being disrespected while you both support programs and practices that are disrespectful to youth. Why are you two deserving of respect while "troubled-teens" and respectful anti-program folks like psy are not? ST is lon's board and he can do what every he wants with it like showing his ass for all the world to see, as he did in the case..
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« Reply #23 on: January 30, 2007, 06:56:26 PM »
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« Reply #24 on: January 30, 2007, 06:56:35 PM »
Man, it's like you guys want to read that board or something.

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« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2007, 07:05:16 PM »
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Just as my requests to be treated respectfully on THIS forum were ignored completely,


How about when called Deborah "a bitch"? Remember that? Well shes the closest we have to admin over here and what happened to you? nobody revealed your IP, or assigned your posts.. or anything. and you are criticizing this site? you came over here guns blasting and now you want to play nice? you are a funny gal karen.
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« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2007, 07:34:18 PM »
You know what, guys? I think it's time for an analogy.

Let's say that instead of months, sometimes years-long humiliation and abuse, these people weren't quite so sadistic and simply sent their teenagers to get fucked up the ass by a beefy black guy named Tyrone. They discuss it with regularity and aplomb. "Well, Tyrone fucked my kid right in his ass, and he was so much better after that! But now my kid won't talk to me anymore." "We all know you did the right thing. He'll thank you for it some day." Etc, etc, etc.

Now, enter Psy. He comes in with a different message. "You know, maybe it wasn't such a good idea to send your kid away to get fucked in the ass." He proceeds to convince other parents entering the forum not to send their kids to Tyrone's 12-inch dick.

Now we have Lon. He makes money when kids are violated by Tyrone. What do you expect him to do? Do you expect him to accept a different opinion? Of course not. He doesn't care about the kids being reamed; why would he care about that? So he gets rid of the interloper, and reminds everyone that the forum is for parents to approve and support each other in their decision to have their kid raped by Tyrone. And now everyone acts like the banning is such a big deal, while kids are still being put in handcuffs for a long drive over to Tyrone's place.
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« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2007, 08:26:09 PM »
I apologized, sincerely, to Deborah by PM.  
I don't think Psy was at all disrespectful in his posts.  I appreciated the dialogue.  I also agree with him that he should have the right to say whatever he wants and not to have his opinions edited. It just isn't going to be that way on Lon's forum.  That's one of the things we all face in life.  There are things I can't do at work that I might want to do. Psy-don't worry. No one is going to silence you. You ran into a slight wall, but you'll get past it.  Keep your eye on the ball.
I really am considering a lot of what Psy has told me and I am changing my opinion about a lot of programs. I am open to hearing what you have to say.  I just can't get to where I think ALL programs are bad for ALL kids.  I just don't see that, especially in the case of Wilderness.
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« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2007, 08:26:59 PM »
Quote from: ""Milk Gargling Death Penalty""
Man, it's like you guys want to read that board or something.

:scared:

 :rofl:  ::bwahaha2::
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« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2007, 08:31:35 PM »
Quote from: ""Charly""
I apologized, sincerely, to Deborah by PM.  
I don't think Psy was at all disrespectful in his posts.  I appreciated the dialogue.  I also agree with him that he should have the right to say whatever he wants and not to have his opinions edited. It just isn't going to be that way on Lon's forum.  That's one of the things we all face in life.  There are things I can't do at work that I might want to do. Psy-don't worry. No one is going to silence you. You ran into a slight wall, but you'll get past it.  Keep your eye on the ball.
I really am considering a lot of what Psy has told me and I am changing my opinion about a lot of programs. I am open to hearing what you have to say.  I just can't get to where I think ALL programs are bad for ALL kids.  I just don't see that, especially in the case of Wilderness.


People.  Don't ask for a person to change her opinions overnight.  These things take time.

Karen.  Even if all programs aren't bad for all kids...  Is the risk really acceptable?  What if the ASTART survey is accurate?
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