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« on: January 23, 2007, 05:55:38 PM »
My mom said she saw a girl get admitted into a eating disorder facility called Remuda Ranch on the Tyra Banks show.
Has anyone heard of this place?

This is what was listed on their website concerning licensing
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Remuda Ranch Programs are accredited by the Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations (JCAHO) and are also fully licensed by the State of Arizona. Each Intensive Inpatient Program is licensed as a Level I Behavioral Health Facility - Inpatient Program.

And this is their treatment overview:
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Treatment Overview:
Remuda Ranch offers programs and settings that are distinctively different from the traditional, institutional format offered at hospitals and clinics. We provide a balanced approach, which produces a continuing lifestyle change through individualized, Biblically based programs designed to treat the whole person and meet her unique medical, nutritional and psychological needs. Remuda's programs are geared toward overcoming the habitual response patterns of an eating disorder and uncovering the issues at the core of the illness.

Remuda provides safe, secure, healing environments in comfortable, ranch-like settings. These settings allow for a broad range of activities, including a full equestrian program, as an integral part of individualized therapy. Throughout her treatment, Remuda's medical, psychiatric and clinical staff gives each patient the tools to return to her family with the confidence, courage and determination to live a healthy and productive life.
 

I don't know but something about this smacks of "program" speak.
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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2007, 05:59:34 PM »
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All therapies are scientifically-valid and Biblically-based,


These concepts don't mix.

Who wants to bet most of the "therapy" consists of telling anorexics that they're lardasses?
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2007, 07:22:18 PM »
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All therapies are scientifically-valid and Biblically-based,

These concepts don't mix.

Who wants to bet most of the "therapy" consists of telling anorexics that they're lardasses?


First, from what/where is the quotation?

Second, why makes something based on the Bible necessarily invalid scientifically?

Finally, I'm sure newcomers welcome the sound judgment and factual basis for your opinion about therapies offered.
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2007, 07:25:57 PM »
I called them and asked Mia's 10 questions and they seemed to pass them ok
  • How often may I contact my child, and how often may I visit? - Kids get 1 call with a therapist+parent once a week and they also get 1 call directly with their parents also once a week(or day?). It's not supervised but the phone is in a public area. Visits come in after 2 weeks are so for therapy sessions and family days. If needed parents can also visit on the weekends.(I'm going to call them back to be 100% sure that I got this info correct)    

  • What are the qualifications of the line staff who work directly with the teens? - basically the line staff are all registered nurses and they are on hand 24hrs. The other staff include Registered Dietitians, Masters Level Therapist and psychiatrists, and a primary care doctor.

  • What is your policy on isolation and restraint? - They don't have one because they're licensed as a Level 1 Behavioral Health Facility. I checked and it appears that in Arizona only a level 2 facility can use restraints of any kind, I'll call someone(Arizona licensing board?)  to check this out.

  • What is your procedure for patient complaints? - Patients can make complaints...... crap I forgot the specifics but I believe each patient has an advocate who would hear complaints from the patient and parent or they could speak with the child's therapist.

  • What are the rules of the program, and what are the consequences for breaking them? - They don't have any specific rules/consequences, they say kids are usually compliant and that they don't deal with ODD kids or kids with serious behavioral problems.

  • How do you deal with medical complaints? - Didn't ask, I assume that this would be handled by the primary care doctor.

  • What is your philosophy on confrontation? - No confrontations, they didn't know what I was talking about so I explained. After I explained they said that they didn't use anything that resembled confrontations.

  • How long will my child need to be in treatment? - 60 days

  • What is a typical day in treatment like? - Didn't ask

  • What are your policies about medication? - They don't allow kids to bring their own medication, but Doctors at the facility will dispense and fill a patients medication. However they also said that they would screen the child to determine what medications are needed(small red flag)  
Nothing really sticks out as bad.... But I'm still curious and want  to hear about this program from an independent source
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2007, 07:33:27 PM »
Quote from: ""questioningone""

First, from what/where is the quotation?

Second, why makes something based on the Bible necessarily invalid scientifically?

Finally, I'm sure newcomers welcome the sound judgment and factual basis for your opinion about therapies offered.


It's on their website and nothing about the bible makes a treatment option bad. However there's quiet a few quacks out there who use the Bible as a bases for their quackery, this makes many folks uneasy about any program mentioning the Bible.
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2007, 07:46:30 PM »
If the kids not religious or a jew or something it might make them alienated and the treatment less effective.
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2007, 07:47:57 PM »
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Biblically based programs


I'd be curious to hear how exactly this works and what it entails and how the bible will help these girls with eating disorders. It's not exactly a matter of faith, an issue like this.
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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2007, 07:59:46 PM »
I know a guy whose daughter went to this place. It's not a BM quackery TBS, but an actual treatment facility with real doctors, etc. They only treat eating disorders, they don't take just anyone, and they don't accept kids who don't want to be there (i.e., no escort business).

The Bible stuff rubs me the wrong way, but to each his own.

Perhaps Maia's 10 questions should be expanded to include:

11. Do you accept children who are escorted against their will?

12. Do you treat other disorders besides the one advertised (or the one my kid has)?

An eating disorder can literally be a matter of life & death, and not in the program-speak "insanedeadorinjail" meaning, but for real. Serious programs for ED know this and have real doctors practicing evidence-based treatment methods. Obviously some have a religious bent as well, but there are others that don't.

Just because a place is in-patient doesn't make it a BM mindfuck quackery business.
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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2007, 08:29:49 PM »
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I know a guy whose daughter went to this place. It's not a BM quackery TBS, but an actual treatment facility with real doctors, etc. They only treat eating disorders, they don't take just anyone, and they don't accept kids who don't want to be there (i.e., no escort business).

The Bible stuff rubs me the wrong way, but to each his own.

Perhaps Maia's 10 questions should be expanded to include:

11. Do you accept children who are escorted against their will?

12. Do you treat other disorders besides the one advertised (or the one my kid has)?

An eating disorder can literally be a matter of life & death, and not in the program-speak "insanedeadorinjail" meaning, but for real. Serious programs for ED know this and have real doctors practicing evidence-based treatment methods. Obviously some have a religious bent as well, but there are others that don't.

Just because a place is in-patient doesn't make it a BM mindfuck quackery business.


I was planning to ask them question 11(they answered 12) when I call them back! But yeah I got the same impression you did, it seems to be real treatment and not a PROGRAM.
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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2007, 08:42:51 PM »
I'll back down and concur on this one- this isn't the same kind of crap we discuss here, and they seem to be legit despite their Christianity.
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2007, 09:14:46 PM »
So can I put it on my list of programs to refer kids to? Can I tell parents it is Fornits approved?  :wink:
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2007, 10:10:42 PM »
If it is non-coercive, does not cut them off from the outside world, lets them leave if they don't want to be there, does not force treatment, and does not abuse them, then its not a "program"... it is a treatment facility.
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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2007, 03:11:04 AM »
Well it does not really look like this is a "programme". Obviously there is some kind of kooky religious bent but at least a specific medical condition is being treated by the relevant professionals. This looks and feels the way a "treatment facility" should.
1. It actually treats a specific medical disorder not made up things like "acting out sexually" and ODD
2. it is not about punishment. The aim appears to be to get the kid better and home.  
3. it appears to have qualified staff specific to that field.

So it is run by God botherers. There are a lot of Christians who go in for the idea that jesus helps things along. As long as they dont believe that the medical therapy is prayer alone, or have kids talking in tounges I cant seem the harm if this is your sort of thing.
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2007, 06:47:47 AM »
It seems legit, but that whole "Biblically based programs designed to treat the whole person" still  bugs me. Doesn't mean it's a TBS... but what does jesus have to do with eating disorders? That's kind of like requiring someone to believe in a god in order to quit drugs or alcohol. (There's nothing like that, is there?  :P )
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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2007, 10:12:17 AM »
I have first hand personal knowledge of the Remuda program.  It is a very first rate eating disorder clinic.  The physical facility is nicer than some of the nicer hotels I have stayed in.  The program is staffed by licensed and certified professionals.  It bears absolutely no resemblance to the behavior modification programs that you all fight so diligently against.

It is voluntary.  They offer both a short (6 wks) and long term (up to a year) residential treatment plan.  

It is in fact a faith based program.  It is widely recognized in psychological circles that spirituality is a human need.  And using that spirituality is very often a strength for anyone battling any life threatening difficulty.

I understand that not everyone feels the compulsion to embrace some form of spirituality ... but many find that this component is key to their recovery process.

If it works ... let them be.
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