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Requesting Parents' Assessment of Hyde School
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Old Hyde Student 1973,
I too am a Hyde graduate, broadly defined. For all the guilt you must feel, you did the honorable thing in refusing the diploma. In a topsy-turvy morality like Hyde, where children are turned into Kapos, a Hyde diploma should be deplored. I pity those students who later in life feel compelled to go back for one.
Publicly punishing offenders (for venial faults of one's past, no less) reminds me of the pillory of Puritan times. Shaving a woman's head and having her scrub streets and sidewalks, a punishment I was forced to witness a few years after you, has always reminded me of the famous photos of shaved Viennese Jewish women doing the same during the Holocaust. I am at a loss to conjure up a historical parallel for the dog collar and leash. Freezing showers and forcing one to sleep naked on a hard cold floor are torture, pure and simple. I would very much like to know what diseased imagination introduced these punishments into the Hyde disciplinary regimen. It's criminal. I wouldn't put it past Joe Gauld, but frankly, as I recall these things now from the perspectives of hindsight, my sense of disgust extends to the entire Hyde School leadership, even to those faculty members whom I once held in respect.
Hyde students, speak up! What is that school doing to you today? Have they parleyed physical abuse into less tangible, more discreet forms of emotional abuse? That appears to be the case from what I've read in these posts.
I hope that Gary, in writing up his Hyde report, consults with a professional sociologist who alone could do justice to the theme of Hyde School.
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Sad, sad, sad. My heart breaks for the poster OHS 1973. I can definitely relate to the feelings of shame you have by being a willing participant. I also feel shame, not as a student, but as a parent. My son went to Hyde in the last 1990's.
I feel shame for many reasons. I too bullied some other parents when they weren't "digging deep enough." Looking back some of these other students/parents clearly needed professional help and instead they got inexperienced fools like myself pushng them to talk about previous pain in their life. Who was I to do this? I have no experience whatsoever but somehow I got caught up in the whole Hyde thing. I cannot be mad at Hyde for this, but instead am upset with myself for being so weak that I allowed Hyde to turn me into one of their "kapo's."
Yes Hyde has changed in that they don't use dog collars or leashes anymore and the kids don't dig ditches as before, but the basics of Hyde are still the same and worse than that, the school faculty remains the same. The same Gaulds, Grants, Hurds, McMillans are all still there and these are the same people who were there in the 70's, so what does this tell you?
Thanks for sharing your story OHS 1973. This is better than seminars at Hyde because there isn't the same abuse involved while trying to get things off your chest. It feels a little better that other feel the same shame that I have been feeling for years. To those who I verbally bullied, I apologize.
I have the same question for a couple of you that someone else asked. I am curious if you found this website on your own by "googling" it or if someone guided you to it.
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If I remember correctly I googled ?Hyde School negative experience?. I felt compelled to do so because I had been receiving very professional and in my opinion slick fund raising material. These materials forced me to evaluate myself and my Hyde experience. I had suppressed so much over the years that when I finally took an honest look at my experiences and how they may have affected my life the memories came flooding in and I became extremely saddened. My goal in googling Hyde School was to see if anyone else was feeling the same way after so many years. Honestly the school has never left my consciousness and I don?t know why. One wouldn?t think that over a span of a life time that a paltry two years would have such a great impact. The two years that I spent at the school were very intense and compact. The experiences taken into full context became horrifying with any positive aspect being over run by the negative. These experiences were lived during my most formative years and that is why I suspect have had such an impact. Thankfully I found this site and am gaining some closure.
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Yes, Very slick. Some one else where posted the name of an agency where you can look at Hyde finanical statements. They are paying a large amount of money to an agency in Portland. Between 200k - 600k a year. I can't recall the actual number. I was called and asked to donate a very large sum of money. My knee jerk reaction was to say "are you out of your fu**ing mind?"
Anonymous:
I too, have received many "offers" over the years to go back and tell all what I've been up to in the context of rationalizing why I should receive a diploma. In my case, I did not even graduate. I was told to leave in no uncertain terms a few weeks before the end of the school year; no reason was given but it was right before one of the purges so I imagine I was considered in that boat. I had to hitchhike home two states away.
It was many years before I dared to apply to college. I found out that I had amassed so many Carnegie credits -- in part due to coming back the extra year (I had been informed that I would not be able to receive a diploma otherwise, and didn't anyway as it turned out) -- that I had almost twice that required to be considered a high school graduate. With the support of friends, I mustered up the courage to call the school to request my transcript. Knowing Hyde, I requested (from Bob Bertschy) that only the transcript be sent, NO additional information. I was assured that this would be done. A few months passed. After a few more phone calls, I finally received my copy of the transcript, which had been sent to the schools I requested. An additional page had been included, written by Bertschy, detailing how I did not receive a diploma but only a "certificate" as I had failed to live up to the standards of a diploma. Moreover, Bertschy saw fit to detail many of my "character flaws" as well as his assessment of my potential success (or lack thereof). His diatribe was several paragraphs long and essentially covered the entire page.
What I have related above is but the tiniest of iceberg tips of the eviscerating damage I feel I have suffered at the hands of Hyde. I feel so traumatized that I really can not talk to anyone about it; I have been living under a rock emotionally for the past 30 years.
I concur with the above poster earlier today who describes people's need for a diploma: "It is very difficult to walk out of a place that dominates your sense of self worth and not be acknowledged. There is a need for resolution or closure." However, given my own personal history of the place, I am afraid that I can not do so. My feeling about going back to receive my diploma is that it is not a question of whether or not I feel I deserve it. It is a question of whether I would deign to have my name associated with Hyde, and the answer is "no."
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---I too, have received many "offers" over the years to go back and tell all what I've been up to in the context of rationalizing why I should receive a diploma. In my case, I did not even graduate. I was told to leave in no uncertain terms a few weeks before the end of the school year; no reason was given but it was right before one of the purges so I imagine I was considered in that boat. I had to hitchhike home two states away.
It was many years before I dared to apply to college. I found out that I had amassed so many Carnegie credits -- in part due to coming back the extra year (I had been informed that I would not be able to receive a diploma otherwise, and didn't anyway as it turned out) -- that I had almost twice that required to be considered a high school graduate. With the support of friends, I mustered up the courage to call the school to request my transcript. Knowing Hyde, I requested (from Bob Bertschy) that only the transcript be sent, NO additional information. I was assured that this would be done. A few months passed. After a few more phone calls, I finally received my copy of the transcript, which had been sent to the schools I requested. An additional page had been included, written by Bertschy, detailing how I did not receive a diploma but only a "certificate" as I had failed to live up to the standards of a diploma. Moreover, Bertschy saw fit to detail many of my "character flaws" as well as his assessment of my potential success (or lack thereof). His diatribe was several paragraphs long and essentially covered the entire page.
What I have related above is but the tiniest of iceberg tips of the eviscerating damage I feel I have suffered at the hands of Hyde. I feel so traumatized that I really can not talk to anyone about it; I have been living under a rock emotionally for the past 30 years.
I concur with the above poster earlier today who describes people's need for a diploma: "It is very difficult to walk out of a place that dominates your sense of self worth and not be acknowledged. There is a need for resolution or closure." However, given my own personal history of the place, I am afraid that I can not do so. My feeling about going back to receive my diploma is that it is not a question of whether or not I feel I deserve it. It is a question of whether I would deign to have my name associated with Hyde, and the answer is "no."
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The thing that is damaging about failing at Hyde is that it is your faul,t in the world of the hyde dogma. You know maybe it is Hyde. Maybe if the dean of students did not decide you neded to be confronted, or Joe decided he liked your "spirit" instead for finding you had a lack of personality, maybe your outcome would be different. But that is outside the frme of possiblity in the hyde universe. A number of the kids I was there with, that graduated really had something going for them but a number of them were just kiss ass conformist. Joe traded one system that could be gamed for another. Hey, one of the hot threads here is about a Hyde diploma holder.
Anonymous:
Are you talking about that sorry excuse for a man, Larry D.? If he is a pillar of success then I'll take my chances with the bottom-dredging rejects.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Are you talking about that sorry excuse for a man, Larry D.? If he is a pillar of success then I'll take my chances with the bottom-dredging rejects.
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Yes. In the world of manufacturing we call them "escapes" Parts that test good but don't function in the field. There were a couple of notable escapes from my era.
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