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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2007, 01:50:50 PM »
I don't think anyone's suggested attacking another kid as a tactic. Re-read the posts.
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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2007, 01:54:47 PM »
Hurting yourself can also backfire pretty big time. Like, death for instance.

Manipulating/and or faking your way out of hte program is probably a lot easier than a long drawn out violent struggle. But different strokes for different folks!

All these responses here are MILD compared to the rumors that circulate at facilities and the reality of what is going on and being said. I hope parents read these threads and realize teens come up with much more fucked up plans and they actually act on them.
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« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2007, 02:09:56 PM »
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Like, death for instance.


At a certain point the kid might consider this an acceptable risk.

At another point he might consider it a positive result.

Parents ought to read this indeed. Unintended consequences anyone?
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« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2007, 02:15:12 PM »
So true!

Chilling indeed...  ::stab::  ::both::  ::kma::  ::rocker::  ::mecry::    :scared:  :skull: :cry:  ::bandit::
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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2007, 04:29:40 PM »
I think this thread will do more than any 'warning' could to scare the fuck out of anyone considering a program.

I mean, fuck, the fact that we have to have a thread like this shows how FUCKED UP this all is.

Jesus Christ, we're talking nonchalantly about... something that is really, really messed up!!!
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2007, 05:58:29 PM »
Quote from: ""Milk Gargling Death Penalty""
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Like, death for instance.

At a certain point the kid might consider this an acceptable risk.

At another point he might consider it a positive result.

Parents ought to read this indeed. Unintended consequences anyone?


Agreed...death can become an acceptable risk.  I can vouch for that based on experience...however I was going to give myself the best chances possible.  That being NOT accepting death as a viable option underneath a team of 8 knees and elbows.....but accepting it in the form of completely unpredictable escape.  I kept my mouth shut and my fingers crossed until I got my first moments alone and walked out into a world where I had nothing and knew no one.  Completely at the mercy of the streets with nothing but my clothes and a swiftly deteriorating PB&J as my next and possibly final meal.

I tell you what, parents might have it rough with their kids screwing off at home, but try completely disappearing for a month in an unfamiliar city and see how they like them apples.
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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2007, 07:20:57 PM »
I still can't believe parents use exile as a tool of "tough love". They just assume that with a choice between staying at a facility or oblivion that all kids are going to pick oblivion. The fact so many kids choose to walk out into complete unfamiliarity over what's familiar should be a sign to parents that something is amiss.

But they are too busy self congratulated and reccomending programs to other parents to notice.
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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2007, 05:39:25 AM »
I believe in tough love

At home
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« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2007, 08:01:07 AM »
Define tough love.

Coercion and parent VERSUS child? Or simply... BEING A PARENT and making them be responsible for themselves?

The latter is love, not 'tough love'. Coercion is not love and neither is making your child an adversary.

I hate loaded language and semantic bullshit.
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CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2007, 09:54:09 AM »
Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
Actually Florida does have its highpoints. Make a trip to Ybor City on a friday night.

Epic Win!


Take a guess at who the developer is for Centro Ybor.  G'head.  Guess.
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« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2007, 11:01:21 AM »
Quote from: ""exhausted""
I believe in tough love

At home

Hmm....
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« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2007, 11:36:41 AM »
Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
Actually Florida does have its highpoints. Make a trip to Ybor City on a friday night.

Epic Win!

Take a guess at who the developer is for Centro Ybor.  G'head.  Guess.

Mel Sembler?

Hey do they still have that country bar in Ybor that has that mechanical bull? I pissed off the bull operator about 5 years ago and she sent me for a ride on the bull that nearly resulted with me getting my head planted through the bar.


Yep.

Don't know.  Haven't been there since it first opened.  My kids went a few times.  Said it was pretty lame.  One of their friends was attacked about a year ago.  The cop taking the report says it happens every weekend.
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« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2007, 12:04:13 PM »
It's strange how this is all viewed as somehow healthy. What really angers me sometimes is the whole carefully constructed facade that almost everyone seems to buy, wallets open. I was watching this prison show on MSNBC (weird that they even have these on I think) and they were showing how they were going to pull a prisoner out of his cell because he refused to come out. He was spraying shit all over the walls with his hands, just going apeshit crazy, it was awesome. The guards suit up in their armor and the new thing they do is videotape it. So there is this dude in the back who is videotaping the whole incident, while a group of his crazy friends are dousing the dude with chemical pain and pushing down to the ground with their shields. They hold this guy down screaming with their shields and finally tie him up like a wild animal and pull him out of his cell and do their search or whatever it is they wanted to pull him out for. What caught my attention was how these people thought this was all so normal, and that by videotaping it that made it better or something. I just find it all so laughable, it's like they live in a fucking paralell universe or something.
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« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2007, 12:54:24 PM »
On restraints:

Yes if anyone struggles while being restrained, its only going to make it harder on them.  The sad thing is the kids who are being restrained dont realize this.  At three springs we were instructed to hold them as long as possible, break for about 30 seconds then rerestrain if they exceeded the state allotted time to calm down.  Restraints were also not called restraints, but "Containments" because we were "containing" the resident's behavior using physical force.  I was taught two methods of restraints, one was the SAMA - Satori something or other that TSW posted and HELP which is SAMA under a different acronym.  Neither of these techniques aided or helped children.  It only made them more angry when they were restrained.

On the prison thing:

They video tape the entire thing so that noone can go back and accuse the other side of harming them.  its all on video then and noone can dispute the video.

My Take:

Screw restraining -  Remove all items that someone could use to physically hurt themselves, throw them in a room with nothing on walls or anything to throw, and let them calm down.  its called a time out and its relatively effective for tantruming toddlers.  What is anger?  its a tantrum that a kid who outgrew toddlerhood throws. Of course they're gonna go apeshit.  the trick is waiting it out.  as long as they arent hurting themselves or others.
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« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2007, 01:39:47 PM »
I know why they videotape it they said so on the tv. My point was when they talked about they were completely desensitized to the brutality and horror of what goes on in their everyday job. That is what I found strange. Personally Id rather flip burgers at Mcdonalds. And my point was that I feel society at large does this. They see the underbelly of the beast that keeps these institutions growing and they don't say stop, they want to see it more as entertainment and get desensitized to it so eventually it becomes completely normal and accepted part of reality.
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