Friendly reminder.

[Anonymous]

BTW, you won't ever see many kids who will volunteer to go into treatment of any kind when they need it. Who wants to leave their friends, and pretty much doing whatever the heck they want to go into a structured enviroment. Are you kidding me?!!!!

What evidence do you have that a "structured environment" will provide any kind of help at all?

[CCM girl 1989]

My bad!!!!!!!!!


Hey Joyce,

Anytime anyone out there needs me to testify in a WWASPS related trial they know where to find me. I have written a few letters, and countless emails to all different kinds of news agencies out there in regards to WWASPS, about what they are doing, and how harmful this can be to children. I'm not hiding from anyone. People in the WWASPS organization know exactly how I feel. There is no secret as to who I am. This is no unsolved mystery!

I try to keep things seperate. Even here. There are half the people who post here that are so immature posting pictures like above. Then the other half who can be somewhat mature, those people I have no problem answering their questions such as yourself. I know you totally disagree with me, that's fine. My potty mouth is offending you, well, I will work on getting that back into check. Not because it's bothering you, but it's bothering me LOL!

As far as refferal businesses getting a fee, well, I think that if you are taking the time to run an agency like that, well, somehow you do need to pay the bills!

It takes a lot of time, and energy to fly around the country and select these schools. So, yes there is money involved for this service..........so what?

As far as having creditentials to run a business like this??? No, you don't need them. It might look good to have on a business card, or on the front door of your business, but besides that?? No, it just takes someone who cares about kids, and who is smart enough to know when the wool is trying to be pulled over their eyes. In every which way. By the parents, by the schools, or by the kids. That takes a lot of time and investigating of these schools. You could have a therapist in your office who could help you in deciding which of these schools would be a good fit for them. I am not a psychiatrist, or psychologist. But, I am one hell of a good investigator. I would take the time to make sure these programs were run safely, and in a manner to which they should be considering that yearly tuiton fees for these types of schools are between $30,000-$50,000.

BTW, you won't ever see many kids who will volunteer to go into treatment of any kind when they need it. Who wants to leave their friends, and pretty much doing whatever the heck they want to go into a structured enviroment. Are you kidding me?!!!!

As far as people saying that I expect other people to just get over it, because I have........that's not true. I do want kids to know that they can get through it though. You can't blame people forever for the way you are turning out.

As far as my 50/50 comment. I spent 50% of my time on upper levels, and 50% of my time on lower levels. I saw the way you were treated on each end of the spectrum is all I meant by that.


CCM girl 1989

SO THAT'S THAT!


To People Who Are Being Rude and Immature,

The only reason why I bring up the fact that I have friends, and am doing well, is because I want people to know that I'm not some crazy person! Some of you on here are perceived as freaks. New people to this site need to know not to include me in your group.

The pictures you post on here don't make me look bad, they make you look bad. The more you continue to do that, the less people will take you seriously, and if that's what you want, then hey, whatever go for it!

It's really tough to continue to post here. I feel like you turned on me by putting together a thread just to put me down. All because I shared my own opinions? That's really nice of you. If I can't be involved on a board speaking my mind, while letting others do the same...........why bother wasting my time?

I do believe in treatment. I believe there are good schools out there for kids. I believe the reason the majority of kids turn out to have so many problems is because of their parents. I think the government should oversee all these programs out there. I believe there should always be a phone available to call for help. Kids should never be isolated for long periods of time. I'm not anti-program. I'm against abusive programs that continue to run. To run under changed names, or operating through loopholes in our systems. Or to claim they are not affiliated with this program or that program. I get tired of all the B.S. and the lies too. But, not all programs are like that.

CCM girl 1989

[CCM girl 1989]

BTW, you won't ever see many kids who will volunteer to go into treatment of any kind when they need it. Who wants to leave their friends, and pretty much doing whatever the heck they want to go into a structured enviroment. Are you kidding me?!!!!

What evidence do you have that a "structured environment" will provide any kind of help at all?

There is plenty of evidence out there. I'm not going to waste my time cutting, and pasting. There's way too much out there. God, do you all really have that much time? If you do, which it seems you do then I am jealous! For now, I have to go take care of my horse. I don't really have time for this petty shit. Sorry TSW, I am not leaving forever. But, I do have other things to do besides argue with you all!

[Anonymous]

There is plenty of evidence out there. I'm not going to waste my time cutting, and pasting. There's way too much out there.

It's TheWho, all over again.

The Surgeon General disagrees.

[CCM girl 1989]

Yes you have plenty of time to sell out children and ship them off to programs. Bravo.. Well done.

I don't have time to do that, I think that's pretty obvious. But, if I wanted to make that my full time job, I could. Once again, I don't need your permission TSW. Or anyone elses here on this board. If I wanted to start my own refferal business, I could, and I would. But I repeat, I have no plans to do so.

[Anonymous]

Yes you have plenty of time to sell out children and ship them off to programs. Bravo.. Well done.

I don't have time to do that, I think that's pretty obvious. But, if I wanted to make that my full time job, I could. Once again, I don't need your permission TSW. Or anyone elses here on this board. If I wanted to start my own refferal business, I could, and I would. But I repeat, I have no plans to do so.

That's exactly right CCM.

All one needs to profit from exploitation in the name of specialty schooling is the permission of their own conscious. Something you freely admit wouldn't be a problem for you.

Sad commentary for a survivor of residential treatment abuse but then again, it does serve to underscore how insidious child abuse and neglect really is.

I am very sorry for you.

[Joyce Harris]

CCM,
I will respond to you post to me, now that you cleared up the things that should not have been directed to me.

I agree that it would take a lot of time, money and energy to "select schools."  But, again, I ask you, what is your criteria for a "safe facility?" And I have a real problem with calling these places SCHOOLS, ok?
And, how do you assure any parent, or child, that these facilities will remain "safe" on a daily basis?
I say you can't do that.
You state that a person "doesn't need credentials" to run a referral agency; and you would expect parents to entrust their child's future to your judgement---when the only experience you have with programs is that you were locked down in various programs, for what? 4+ years?  Your entire teenage years?

Your experiences in a program does not qualify you to determine the psychological, medical, and educational needs of anyone's child.  It is as simple as that.

And you are INCORRECT:  Some kids do ask for treatment and have volunteered for treatment.  You can not continue to make "blanket statements" the way you do, and expect to maintain any type of credibility.

And you are the person who said the words, "Just get over it." No one accused you of saying that---you said it several times.  And, words like that are highly offensive to abuse victims; and to the parents of abuse victims...as is your calling abuse victims "whiners.".

Then there is still the "moral issue" if it  can be called that:  Why would you even consider condoning a business that would have another child go through what you had to endure your entire teenage years---spending their time in some  program?  That makes no sense, and is very sad.
It is a lucrative business.  So, maybe that is the "WHY."

And you are correct: You can do anything you want. It is your choice.
.

[Ganja]

The only reason why I bring up the fact that I have friends, and am doing well, is because I want people to know that I'm not some crazy person! Some of you on here are perceived as freaks. New people to this site need to know not to include me in your group.

The pictures you post on here don't make me look bad, they make you look bad. The more you continue to do that, the less people will take you seriously, and if that's what you want, then hey, whatever go for it!

No one here is doing well except for you, CCM Girl- keep telling yourself that.

Just because YOU say that posting pictures of you makes "us" look bad doesn't mean squat to me or most of the people here.

I have to go take care of my horse.

I hope your horse enjoys himself while you stroke him off... :rofl:

[Anonymous]

Yea, it's that Equine Horse Therapy shit they teach these kids in those programs.  Gotta have the Equine Horse crap.  Right, CCM?

[Anonymous]

Your experiences in a program does not qualify you to determine the psychological, medical, and educational needs of anyone's child.

The entire latter half of the program is designed to brainwash kids into thinking that yes, they have the authority and every right to do these things.

[Ganja]

Your experiences in a program does not qualify you to determine the psychological, medical, and educational needs of anyone's child.

The entire latter half of the program is designed to brainwash kids into thinking that yes, they have the authority and every right to do these things.

Oh absolutely! I could certainly vouch for this concerning my experience.

[Anonymous]

CCM was parented during her pre-teen and adolescent years by under-educated and poorly trained program staff paid minimum wage to teach her respect for authority.

Where other teens have struggled and are still struggling to come to terms with essentially being abandoned by their parents under the guise of bringing families back together again (how's that for some twisted irony?)  CCM makes it sound like all it takes to get past these thoughts and feelings is to click your heels three times while saying "GET OVER IT ALREADY!".

It is sad, even despictable, to treat other survivors with such contempt.  But what's really horrid is even thinking about exposing other children to institutionalized abuse and neglect in exchange for money.

Thank goodness so many at Fornits care enough about the safety and well being of children to monitor these fly-by-night referral agencies and expose them whenever and wherever they find them.

 

[Anonymous]

Yea, so much for CCM and her support of Kevin August's referral company he's running over at ANTI-WWASP.com.

Both of them WWASP program survivors.
Totally sick!

[Ganja]

Thank goodness so many at Fornits care enough about the safety and well being of children to monitor these fly-by-night referral agencies and expose them whenever and wherever they find them.

 :nworthy:  :tup:

[hanzomon4]

CCM I'm curious, what criteria would a school need to meet to be considered safe by you? That's a pretty open ended question but I would appreciate it if you could take the time to answer it.

I ask because I feel that people like yourself and antiwwasps could make more of difference by lobbying for change and writing bills(that would need to be sponsored by a congressman) that would fix the fundamental flaw of every program, lack of oversight and accountability...

I have no  illusions about the law, I know that even state run programs fail and are often abusive. For that reason I would also recommend that all advocates push for societal change in regards to the way we view adolescents. Any meaningful change in the law can only come after the necessary change in societal think, womans rights and civil rights being an example...

I don't  doubt your(or antiwwasps) sincerity, but the goal of keeping kids safe and finding treatment for those that need it cannot be meat by you alone acting as the watchman, which is what you are describing in regards to a referral business