Friendly reminder.

[CCM girl 1989]

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[CCM girl 1989]

Since CCM and Kev have no qualms about referring kids to programs, it might be interesting to know how long these two spent in the upper levels during their stay in their WWASP programs. This might give some insight into their continued "program speak," and CCM's view of past surviors as "whiners who need to get over it, and view programs as a good thing for kids."  It's one thing to be on the receiving end of abuse, and quite another to be the staff's helper in dishing out that abuse.

Upper levels, lower levels? Well, I guess 50/50?

[Anonymous]

Listen, a couple years ago when I came across this sight called Fornits. I was welcomed in. I felt great knowing that others out there felt the same way I did, and had similar experiences. It had been a very long time since I had thought about my times of placement, and actually had other people that were able to empathize with me. That was a comforting feeling. I was willing to protest, fly wherever, I had no job, and enough money and freedom to get me there, and NOBODY was interested in getting these places shut down. Well, very few, but not seriousley. I tried to get people do make a move to get off their fucking computers, and off their asses to do something, but they wouldn't budge.

Anyway........it just seemed like all people wanted to do was bitch, and moan about their lives, and I let them without saying a word. I gave them the benefit of the doubt, I knew how they felt. As time went on, I was coming to terms with what I had been through personally, and how to take my experiences, and to do something good with them.

It's interesting though.........I do feel that my experiences rank up there with the most severe cases. Abandoned at the age of 12, I had abuse in my childhood, abuse in my placements, god, I used to think will I ever catch a fucking break? But, I got better. You guys here all helped me feel better (until now of course, LOL). You made me feel like I wasn't alone in the world, and from the bottom of my cold self heartless bitch of a heart, I thank you for that.

But, we had are differences. As far as treatment centers were concerned atleast. I'm sorry I called you whiners, and I maybe I said it without thinking? But, it's very hard for me to see the people that where here before me, still be so affected by their youth. I know you know , that there are places out there, that help kids, and that don't hurt them, come on who are we kidding?

If it's your intent is to always have an open door, and heart for those who are struggling with their demons, then I will back off. But, at the same time, don't you want promote these people to heal? I know you have a message to get out, and I do respect that. But, why don't you promote healing so these teens, and their parents don't feel like such victims? You're throwing a huge pity party, and you're not allowing people to stand strong. Not only that, but if your going to make a difference, throw protests. Do something to call attention to these problems. Don't think google is going to do it all for you! Because they are not.

Then when people try to do something, like Kevin did, you give him all kinds of shit. Maybe he overlooked some things, and maybe you were right about some stuff he was overlooking, and doing incorrectly. But, at least he did something. Atleast he tried. You guys here for the most part (not all), just bitch and moan about had you'd been given a different hand in life, how you would've turned out so differently. Quite frankly, I'm just so sick of hearing that. It's weak.

That's why we've turned out in the end to be so different. That's why you hate me. Because I have rid myself of the pain, and continued on in my life stronger then ever. Why don't you let go of it yourselves, and help others for gods sake, to let go too. But, I guess misery loves company, so you'll keep them in the loop. Anyone like me, you will cast out. Hey, whatever........like I said before, I don't care. I just want other people that come across this site to know that there is an end to all the pain. It does get better. You don't have to live this nightmare forever.

I really don't hate you, and my potty mouth has gotten pretty bad lately, I admit! But, who gives a shit right? We are all just human. Besides, I spend 10 hours a day with 95% men in my workplace. You have no idea actually how much I have been holding back?!! Potty mouth speaking that is!

Have you ever once laid down your own crack pipe long enough to even read what you post?

First of all you dumbass the real issue here is someone helping others to ship them off against their own will. Are you that retarded that you think you can distract us with a bunch of weepy sappy snotty little emotional prattle?

How do you even try to pretend that referring is a legit business for anyone with a soul?

Think hard on these next few points...

If the program was voluntary..

If the resident could leave at anytime...

If the treatment was actually based on something more than the deranged imagination of a sadistic high school drop out's bullshit...

If the staff had real training...

etc

etc

etc..


Would it even be called a program?

Would there even be a conversation taking place at this moment if that is the way it works?

Not fucking likely to both of those questions.



What you are suggesting is so vile it boggles my mind that you can't even see it yourself. YOU want to help parents ship thier kids off to programs. Programs that strip the freedoms of children and leave them at the mercy of the facility. Programs that even when they are good still take the rights of children and shit on them so profoundly that it represents a mockery to the entire ideal American way of life. Do you even know if the parent gives a shit and just wants to scam their insurance company into paying the bill to keep their kid out of their hair? No you don't. Do you really believe you can with 100 percent assurance say that the kid is safe in your 'golden' programs all the time? No you can't.

Kids aren't even safe in their own beds let alone a program where the risk factors skyrocket astronomically the second they step onto the program's grounds.

[Anonymous]

I was willing to protest, fly wherever, I had no job, and enough money and freedom to get me there, and NOBODY was interested in getting these places shut down. Well, very few, but not seriousley. I tried to get people do make a move to get off their fucking computers, and off their asses to do something, but they wouldn't budge.

So why didn't you go  yourself? Surely you are old enough now you don't need someone else to hold your hand. Most survivors that post here did not go to a WWASPS program, most went to other programs. Only a couple WWASPS survivors post here. So that people didn't want to cross the country and protest a program they never went to is not that surprising. But look closer and you'll see they do plenty of protesting against the programs that harmed them.

I say if you feel like protesting by yourself, do it!! You will still get your point across!

[Anonymous]

You're throwing a huge pity party

Same shit the people at WWASPS used to tell the kids, same words exactly.. weird!!!

Anyway........it just seemed like all people wanted to do was bitch, and moan about their lives, and I let them without saying a word.

Well how kind of you to "let" people talk about their own lives and experiences... :roll:

[Anonymous]

Not only that, but if your going to make a difference, throw protests. Do something to call attention to these problems. Don't think google is going to do it all for you! Because they are not.

Fornits and internet activists have saved WAY more kids than you ever could dream of from being sent away to programs. You are very self absorbed, it comes across in your posts.

You are here criticizing everyone left and right, so what makes you so fucking great? What did you do that hurt WWASPS so much?

This is fucking ridiculous, I hope you realize how offensive and self centered your posts are... to program survivors and program parents.

If you don't like fornits and want to move on with your life and not partake in the pity party, then don't fucking post here. You are just like Karen to drop in and give your self righteous advice, while doing nothing yourself other than putting other people down to feel better about yourself.

This thread disgusts me and embrasses me.

[Anonymous]

Quite frankly, I'm just so sick of hearing that. It's weak.

THEN DONT FUCKING POST HERE YOU IDIOT!!

YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY WWASP SURVIVOR AND YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR EVERYONE.

IF YOU DONT LIKE THIS WEBSITE DONT POST HERE.

BUT STOP COMING HERE JUST TO INSULT PEOPLE,

ALL YOU CAN DO IS DISRUPT

IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT, ATTENTION?

LEAVE AND NEVER COME BACK IF THATS HOW YOU FEEL.

WE WONT MISS YOUR POSTS.

I AM NOT CRUEL ENOUGH TO RESPOND IN KIND WITH THE KIND OF WANABEE EMOTIONAL PROGRAM ATACKS YOU LOVE SO MUCH. IF YOU CAN TRY DEPROGRAMMING YOURSELF ONE DAY AND MAYBE YOU CAN MAKE SOME REAL LIFE FRIENDS.

[Anonymous]

That's why we've turned out in the end to be so different. That's why you hate me. Because I have rid myself of the pain, and continued on in my life stronger then ever. Why don't you let go of it yourselves, and help others for gods sake, to let go too. But, I guess misery loves company, so you'll keep them in the loop. Anyone like me, you will cast out. Hey, whatever........like I said before, I don't care. I just want other people that come across this site to know that there is an end to all the pain. It does get better. You don't have to live this nightmare forever.

CCM Girl read this post very carefully.

CCM, do you realize you are ten years older than most WWASPS survivors?

Do you think they just might have to go through a process of getting through their shit?

You are so self absorbed, you believe that once YOU are better, that everyone else should be too.

How would you of felt on your first day posting if someone like you came here and told you to not post, because its weak and stupid and they should just get over it.

Kids are coming out of WWASPS programs everyday. You say we should just tell them to "get over it?"

You don't give a shit about the kids coming out of wwasps, and if they can discuss what happened.

You just don't want anyone else discussing it, do you? Well that's too bad, these kids DESERVE to discuss their experience and they WILL do it, no matter what some program graduate tells them.

You are obstructing healing of program survivors. I hope you realize that.


It sonds like you would of been happy to never find fornits and go thorugh your life never examining what happened to you. Go forget it all if that makes you feel better. Some of us would rather examine and talk to other survivors.

OH NO I GUESS THAT MAKES ME WEAK RIGHT?! :roll:


Once you get what you want from fornits, you want to see it shut down. That is selfish, and completely self centered.

For once in your life, think about people other than yourself and that they JUST MIGHT have had a worse experience than you, or maybe they just want to alk about it and havent yet. WE ARE ALL NOT YOU CCM GIRL. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE OTHERS.

[Anonymous]

Do something to call attention to these problems.

So what have exactly have you done CCM Girl?

Did you sent letters to the Judge in Alex's case? Where did you find out about that story, and where to send the letter? Could it have been this forum? Did this forum maybe help that kid?

Did you send a letter to the judge in Montana this past week to tell them about WWASPS before they start regulating Montana? I did.

I find out about stuff like that all the time on fornits. So this forum helps a lot of people and activists. Why dont you see that?

[Joyce Harris]

CCM:
Some people have "gotten off their butts and done something" in this industry.
And parents do not appreciate "your pottey mouth" and you calling our children "whiners."
If you haven't bothered to notice or READ:  Whitmore Academey is CLOSED!
The abusive owner Cheryl Sudweeks was charged with criminal child abuse against 4 Whitmore children.  Her trial may have ended in a a Plea Bargain--but parents and students don't control the legal system in the state of Utah; we merely fight for justice.

What exactly HAVE YOU DONE to bring ONE abusive staff to trial be held accountable for their criminal child abuse?
What abusive facility have you helped to close down?

YOU do not get to cuss parents, and call their abused children names and not be held accountable yourself and your vile language.

If you believe "some" programs are good--and that referring children to programs for a FEE is good:  that is your business, and your opinion.

 But, YOU will not insinuate that my child is a "whiner" and not be confronted for your lack of compassion, empathy, and common sense.
And, you WILL NOT state that parents, suvivors, and concerned citizens have not worked faithfully to make positive changes in this industry to protect children from the very programs that you seem to be promoting.

I will not even bother to point out the hundreds of postings and documents that prove these programs do not offer valid treatment for the types of dianosis that children are placed in these programs.

I will point out that neither your nor Kevin August have any professional credentials that qualify you to advise parents on the placement of their children in any type of a facility......NOR do either of you have any type of professional credentials that quality you to determine if any facility is "safe, or meets the criteria for the levels of therapy and educational requirements of each and every student to be placed."  Just because you were a student in such a facility does not qualify either of you to advise parents on medical treatment for their children.

I'm not certain what you meant by your statement that your "levels were 50/50."   I  know that the children at Whitmore Academy were forced to abuse each other; and they suffer great guilt from this.  If you were forced to inflict abuse on your fellow students---and you still refer to surviors of abuse in these facilities as "whiners" I really don't understand your negative views of abuse suvivors.  I really don't.

[Anonymous]

CCM may just be stupid.  She's what 31 years old?
Many women work in a male-oriented work place, and don't feel the need to have a GREAT BIG POTTY MOUTH!
Most of us discovered the word "fuck" in about 5th grade, OK?  So, CCM needs to get over thinking--using it in every sentence is a  BIG SHOCKING EVENT!
CCM does not get to DICTATE what any poster on fornits talks about:  it ain't her own personal "little daily journal."
And she's a liar: she does care what people on fornits think about her---she's narcisstic and she needs to be the center of attention!

[Ganja]

She should smoke weed & destroy the program that still exists inside her mind.

[Anonymous]

Doesn't ccm have a myspace account? sort of old for that, isn't she? even posted a pic in her wedding gown? can't this hubby give this attention whore some much needed attention?

[hanzomon4]

Give her a break she is just expressing her opinion(which I disagree with), no need to rip her a new one.
Come on who wants a drink  ::cheers::

[Anonymous]

Let's see if CCM can shut her trashy, stupid mouth for about a day, first, OK?