Friendly reminder.

[CCM girl 1989]

BTW, your lame ass video of Burger King blowing Ronald Mc Donalds head off is getting pretty old too. That was not even really that funny to begin with?!!! Oh because they're in competition, and you're some how relating that to all this? Oh ha-ha, jesus we get the message!!!! Can you please come up with something new?

[CCM girl 1989]

What are you so pissed about?

I'm not sure who that's directed at? But, I am not pissed about anything personally. This is really just the normal Fornits banter that goes on between some of us old timers. I'm a self-centered bitch, they're know it all assholes, really it's just par for the course here at Fornit Hills.

[CCM girl 1989]

Shut the hell up Gookin! If you want to come hang me for having my own opinions, then come at me. But, you're the one behaiving like that loser Saddam did.

Next thing you know a wood chipper is going to arrive at the front of my house, along with you, and the rest of the Fornits lynchmob. So, I guess if you had a soft spot in your heart for me........ you'd put me in head first? Naw, more then likely you'll put me in feet first because now I am starting to get the distinct feeling that you really don't like me.

Oh shit, I am definately going to be losing sleep over this one in a major way. Every time I see a wood chipper on the road, I'm going to think.....is that meant for me? Are these my last hours on earth? OMG!!!! I'll be freaking out!!!! Talk about a full blown panic attack!

[Anonymous]

WTF?

[Anne Bonney]

So, what I lack in schooling.......I make up ten times over in my lifes experiences, and the fact I just happen to be naturally intelligent doesn't hurt either.

So, basically what I don't bring to the table in regards to "edjucation", or having a "degree", I bring to the table life experience. If you'd like check my college records, go ahead, and you will find that during my nearly 2 years that I attended J.C. that I took every kind of psychology class that was available to me. Those were basically the classes I did the best in. I have the ability to see through people, and into their souls. If I were meeting you face to face, I would have a pretty good idea of who you were as a person within 5 minutes. I would do that in a way that you'd never even suspect that that was what I was really doing.

What about the hundreds of girls I lived with throughout my years of placement, and all the different personalities I've dealt with. I think I have seen it all, and nothing shocks me. I also know the guys too. Let's face it, I just know it all! Sorry ,I couldn't resist for all of those of you who think I am a conceited bitch!

You're sounding more and more like Sue Scheff and PURE every day.

[Anne Bonney]

Why? Are you interested? Why do you give a shit? Look, it's his time, and his energy that he'll be taking to fly around the country, and tour these facilities, to interview these students, and faculty?!!! He could work a 9 to 5 regular meaningless job and collect a paycheck for doing so. Instead he wants to do something he is passionate about, and if he makes money doing it, and he's making this world a better place, why do you give a rats ass?

I believe he has the best of intentions. He does know what to look for in these places since he was in them, as do I. If he does his research, and truely picks the best of schools that are out there, what's the harm? I don't see any of you doing it? Why is that?

Because we know how fucking wrong it is.

PARENTS WILL SEND THERE KIDS AWAY REGARDLESS.

That's why I'd rather spend my time showing them that programs are dangerous PERIOD.

Granted, some kids need it, some kids don't, and hopefully he can knock some sense into those parents whose kids problems can be worked out from home. Do you really think Kev is such a prick he would turn into the devil himself to sell kiddies off to these schools when they don't need it, just to make a buck? Keep in mind all these fuckers who own these schools, or even refer kids to these schools, have never spent one single day in one themselves?

I think he probably has good intentions but you know what they say about those.  This is a bad idea no matter what the intent.

Why wouldn't you trust Kev, or someone like me, that was in these type of places for years? I was in 3 different places for a total of 4 1/2 years, I do believe that counts for something.

Because you still see some value in some of the programs.

BTW- I am not going into business with Kevin! For all of you out there chomping at the bit to start in on me. I am very happy in my current job, which I love because it involves helping people, and I do make a possitive difference in peoples lives, while making a healthy living. But, don't think for a second I haven't thought about the referral business. I have, I will not lie. But, not for the money factor, I like to be very passionate about my work (it makes it a little easier to get your ass outta bed at 4am in the morning). Don't get me wrong, I make a great living at what I do now, and it does involve very long hours. But, switching to this kind of business wouldn't be much of a change from what I already do! If you ran a top of the line referral agency, it involve a lot of long hours, much like my job does now. I wouldn't be sitting by the phone waiting for random schools to get on my approved list. I know this teen industry inside, and out, and I dare you to say any different. Kev has a pretty good idea, and if he does his homework, and does it well, then he's better then most of those referral jack asses out there. IMO.

You know this industry from your perspective.  You don't know as much as you like to think.

I can hardly wait to see your responses! I'm sure they'll all be real positive LOL!!!!!

I can hardly wait to see how you'll try and justify this shit next.  LOL :roll:

[Anne Bonney]

CCM, lots could be said about you, a former WWASP student even considering the referral business; or it could be pointed out that Kevin does not have anything creditials that qualify him to be making placements in any program.

But, sort of like Ginger posted, why bother?

 I will say, that IMO,You are a fucking, heartless, self-centered bitch
who likes to hear herself talk!

Well, I may be self-centered?!!  But, seriously, do you think I care what you think of me? It doesn't phase me!

Yes it does.

[Anne Bonney]

It's not my job to habilitate you all. I don't think I signed up for that job?!!

It's not your job to "habilitate" anyone.  Therein lies the problem.

[Anonymous]

Right on! ::drummer::

[Nihilanthic]

CCM, quick question.

What is a "good program"?

That is all

-EVERYONE ON FORNITS.

[Anonymous]

Ironic Twist.

Kevin at anti-wwasp keeps posting remarks to the effect,  "if I don't refer kids to schools in my safety network, they MIGHT get sent to WWASP or Aspen.

Maybe Kevin should check his google ads on his website.
Aspen is advertising, and pushing Academy at Swift River.

Ironic.

[Anonymous]

There's a link that goes directly to WWASP too. Doesn't Kev understand parents might figure if they're on an anti-WWASp site that he wouldn't link them to WWASP facilities? With all the websites WWASp has and the way they don't even say they're associated with wwasp anymore it could be very confusing and misleading. Parents could end up choosing a WWASP program without even knowing it.

This link: http://teenswithproblems.com/ takes you to this link,
http://teenswithproblems.com/facilities.html that takes you to:
Academy at Ivy Ridge, Spring Creek Lodge, Carolina Springs, Cross Creek, etc.

And he links to Lon Woodbury:
WWASP Articles - News and Statements
News updates and statements from various sources about WWASP.

http://www.strugglingteens.com/

Then he's got one leading to WWASP just above ISAC. Just odd.

Troubled Teen Help Military Boarding Schools
Teen Help for Troubled Teens : Military Schools and boot camps with listings of boarding schools. Program for Troubled Teen Help Boarding School and Military Schools and Residential Treatment Centers
http://www.familyfirstaid.org/ - which links you to:
http://www.familyfirstaid.org/sitemap.htm, taking you to Tranquility Bay and the others.

World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS
The World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools has been the subject of countless complaints of abuse, neglect, and cult activity.
http://www.isaccorp.org/

[Anonymous]

I think Kevin posted that he runs the google ads that direct people to these programs, including WWASP programs because of the $$$$$$.
Sort of like he is starting up his referral company for $$$$$$.
What happened to getting a REAL job?

[Nihilanthic]

Ironic Twist.

Kevin at anti-wwasp keeps posting remarks to the effect,  "if I don't refer kids to schools in my safety network, they MIGHT get sent to WWASP or Aspen.

Maybe Kevin should check his google ads on his website.
Aspen is advertising, and pushing Academy at Swift River.

Ironic.

That is why you tell them programs are all wrong and fucked up and the methodology is wrong... intrinsically?

There is no 'good program'... a good facility that has therapy, doesn't isolate, doesn't abuse, doesn't force therapy and does not keep people there who do not need to be there is not a program, its an actual honest to goodness THERAPY PLACE.

[CCM girl 1989]

Well, I am not sure why these links would be on the anti-wwasp site? I'm hoping that he will look out for these things, and manage his site accordinately to fit the message he's trying to get across. He should take the refferal business very seriously. It is something that can hurt families permanately if it's not done properly.

As to Niles question a couple posts back, we've beat that one to death in previous topics in the WWASPS forum, as well as the Troubled Teen Industry forum. Go back and play that record if you want to hear it again. I have answered that one atleast 5 times in the past.

Comparing me to Sue Scheff, ewwwww thanks a lot! I don't have much respect for that woman.

As for Ginger (and all others here), I really do not care what you think of me. We've spoken on the phone, and I respect what you do here. But, when you call me names, and shit like that......believe me I DO NOT lose sleep over it. I realize that you don't really know me, so that's why I don't take it personally. You only know me through this site, or maybe have spoken to me over the phone a couple times? So you think that gives you the right to compare me to Sue Scheff? I really don't think it does?!!!!!!

One of the big differences between me, and the most of you, is that I am open to critisism, most of you are only interested in peoples opinions that are much like your own. You are more then welcome to point things out to me. But, in doing so I don't have to change my ways, and think the way you do. Some of your opinions have influenced me, and made me think, and maybe adjusted my thinking on things.........but, a lot of your views of me, or your opinions on the Troubled Teen Industry and how it should work, go into the trash file. Why? Because I swear it's like you came up with a lot of your ideas on how the world should work, and be, while smoking a big fattie or something?!! I just don't feel like you're being realistic. That's why I am constantly saying you need to get off Fantasy Island!

Hey, if you hate me, or despise me, that's fine by me. But, you're not going to scare me off this site like you do other people by ripping them apart. If I wanna put my 2 cents in, I will. When I feel like answering your questions that I think make sense, or that I have not answered atleast a million times before, I will.