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For The Lost Girl With The Vanload of Dogs
« Reply #75 on: December 28, 2006, 12:59:25 AM »
If I knew the way I'd go back home
But the countryside has changed so much
I'd surely end up lost
Half remembering names and faces
So far in the past
On the other side of bridges that were burned once they were crossed

Tell me where
Where does a fool go
When there's none left to listen
To a story without meaning
That nobody wants to hear
Tell me where
Where does a fool go
When she knows there's something missing
Tell me where
Where do I go from here
Where do I go from here

To get back home
Where my childhood dreams and wishes still out number my regrets
Get back to a place where I can figure on the odds
Have a fighting chance to lose the blues
And win my share of bets

Tell me where
Where does a fool go
When there's none left to listen
To a story without meaning
That nobody wants to hear
Tell me where
Where does a fool go
When she knows there's something missing
Tell me where
Where do I go from here
Where do I go from here
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Re: For The Lost Girl With The Vanload of Dogs
« Reply #76 on: December 28, 2006, 06:13:32 AM »
Quote from: ""Dr. Frank'nFurter""
If I knew the way I'd go back home
But the countryside has changed so much
I'd surely end up lost
Half remembering names and faces
So far in the past
On the other side of bridges that were burned once they were crossed

Tell me where
Where does a fool go
When there's none left to listen
To a story without meaning
That nobody wants to hear
Tell me where
Where does a fool go
When she knows there's something missing
Tell me where
Where do I go from here
Where do I go from here

To get back home
Where my childhood dreams and wishes still out number my regrets
Get back to a place where I can figure on the odds
Have a fighting chance to lose the blues
And win my share of bets

Tell me where
Where does a fool go
When there's none left to listen
To a story without meaning
That nobody wants to hear
Tell me where
Where does a fool go
When she knows there's something missing
Tell me where
Where do I go from here
Where do I go from here



Well..to begin with she starts her own website named Fornits silly! :rofl:  :rofl:
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America the Grotesque
« Reply #77 on: December 28, 2006, 06:49:53 AM »
"IM RICH ,BITCH!!!!!" ~ Tyrone Biggums
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« Reply #78 on: December 28, 2006, 06:51:14 AM »
Funny Ive been here for 4 yrs and never had a cross with Ginger (if thats who "she" is) Prolly just because Im so loveable and shit.
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« Reply #79 on: December 28, 2006, 09:04:37 AM »
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Funny Ive been here for 4 yrs and never had a cross with Ginger (if thats who "she" is) Prolly just because Im so loveable and shit.


It ain't Ginger, it's the crazy chick you know and love.........but don't worry, everyone still thinks you're loveable and shit......
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« Reply #80 on: December 28, 2006, 09:15:43 AM »
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Quote from: ""NAILBOMB""
Funny Ive been here for 4 yrs and never had a cross with Ginger (if thats who "she" is) Prolly just because Im so loveable and shit.

It ain't Ginger, it's the crazy chick you know and love.........but don't worry, everyone still thinks you're loveable and shit......



yeah....right. Thanks for clearing that up Ginger, er... I mean...guest. :rofl:
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« Reply #81 on: December 28, 2006, 10:10:48 AM »
Quote from: ""NAILBOMB""
Funny Ive been here for 4 yrs and never had a cross with Ginger (if thats who "she" is) Prolly just because Im so loveable and shit.


It's not Ginger.  At first I thought it might be because she's pissed at me about this goddamn boat too (wtf is it about this boat?:roll: ) , but I was wrong.
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« Reply #82 on: December 28, 2006, 10:15:00 AM »
No, Anne Bonney. Actually, what happened is that I made several posts that were just me writing about how I felt at the end of that day. Then you popped right up and tossed your canned food up in the air and had a "taking it personally" problem with what I wrote. You want to toss your spaghettios and your non-shade-grown morning coffee in front of my bat, at least appreciate how neatly I sent them flying with very little spillage. You and some other posters started abusing me as a survivor of traumatic abuse who really does have some problems with some things and does, finally, thankfully, get "crazy pay". I have in fact been very poor at times. I have done hard labor in shitty weather without the means to dress properly. Abuse can really get a person down, witness your own nervous breakdown a while back. How would you have survived without your husband's money to support you? When things fall apart, people turn to family. That is how it has been for thousands of years, only these days, some of us are lucky to have any kind of family to offer any kind of support at all, not like some places and times, where your third cousins twice removed would have taken in you and your brother and his wife and their eight children should the need have arised. In reality, when I woke up to a lot of things over the last couple of years, I had a lot to rearrange in my relationships, including with my family. The chips fell. Thank goodness I get disability pay. That's real, and you don't endear yourself well to many people who read this to slam me for it. There are many people who read this board who were in Straight who are on disability.

Now, as for your yacht and your wealthy husband, someone else started throwing the "overprivileged" argument around to shut me up for anything I had to say. I really am really frustrated with the "whole system". Straight was never my whole problem. I do see myself as "overprivileged", and I also see myself as stupid. I think pretty much everyone who can't, who couldn't, build a house from materials on the land and live off the flora and fauna of the land, is stupid. That's not really accusatory, or it's extremely accusatory, but I don't see any point in getting too very personally upset about it. Which is in fact what you started doing the first post you made on this thread, making it all about YOU. Get it, Anne Bonney? I'm targeting you? No, YOU are targeting ME. You don't like what I say or how I say it. But unlike in Straight when you got to gang up on me and make me change the way I said things and personally ridicule me, you can't shut me up. Whereas I have made some good points about whether or not people have enough money to spend it differently, you have resorted to digging your teeth into my flesh as a survivor of the same abuse that also traumatized you, and ripping me up for being on disability. Nobody knows the whole picture of my life and what happened to my mind in Straight and why traumatic child abuse to the very real extent of torture really does have a severe effect. When we were restrained, we were very immediately in fear for our lives. We couldn't breathe and our bones were forced sometimes past the literal breaking point. This was done systematically to break us psychologically. It really does count as torture. There is a good reason a lot of survivors of this kind of abuse are on disability. And, I have really been amused at the simplicity of the argument regarding whether or not people on disability have a right to complain about the state of the union.

As for your other insults, I don't find them very clever. I don't really know if you have a yacht or not, but it's colorful and fun to bat around. I drive a spaceship, why don't you make fun of that? It would entertain people a lot more than your garden variety attack insults. I am no more "overprivileged" than RTP, our parents were in the same job/money/education strata, and I have probably actually had less money pass through my hands in my adult life than he. I mean, certainly a person could have a field day with how incompetent I am, but I try to take a kinder view of myself than I took a few years ago, because an unkind view doesn't really fix anything.

Some people know what I mean about the grotesque highways, and if they choose to respond with their own philosophies, at least we have begun on some common ground. Go back and read your initial response to my initial post, and then read some other people's responses. You make yourself sound very overprivileged. For a lot of people who live in your town, that morning cup of coffee at the coffee shop is not something they can factor into their budget. I've gotten "money from mom", but I've also been the kind of poor that chooses between band-aids and beans and tapes up gash wounds with a paper towel and masking tape. What can you get for 63 cents?

I suppose it was crass of all of us to discuss finances in public. [ hang heads in shame, or at least look sheepish ] But the people calling me "overprivileged"? Please. If things in this thread did turn into a rip roaring something or other, well, next time, don't come up to me when I'm swinging a bat. I really like batting things around. It's not my fault if you don't understand what I am saying. Some people do, and I don't care to write a literary and philosophical explication every time I post for those who don't. I could say that it was rude of you to respond to what I wrote the way you did in your first post. It was at the very least a severe misreading. Who am I to judge you? I'm the O.P.  I wasn't talking to you, and I wasn't judging you. You were talking to yourself and judging yourself and wanting me to answer questions that I really think you should answer for yourself. I think it's very nice that you do, in fact, care about some of the issues raised in this thread. I think we've all had a nice time discussing it. Now I think we can all retire to search engines and see if we can introduce some serious, verifiable information into the topic.

Bygones.  :em:
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« Reply #83 on: December 28, 2006, 10:30:24 AM »
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No, Anne Bonney. Actually, what happened is that I made several posts that were just me writing about how I felt at the end of that day. Then you popped right up and tossed your canned food up in the air and had a "taking it personally" problem with what I wrote. You want to toss your spaghettios and your non-shade-grown morning coffee in front of my bat, at least appreciate how neatly I sent them flying with very little spillage. You and some other posters started abusing me as a survivor of traumatic abuse who really does have some problems with some things and does, finally, thankfully, get "crazy pay". I have in fact been very poor at times. I have done hard labor in shitty weather without the means to dress properly. Abuse can really get a person down, witness your own nervous breakdown a while back. How would you have survived without your husband's money to support you? When things fall apart, people turn to family. That is how it has been for thousands of years, only these days, some of us are lucky to have any kind of family to offer any kind of support at all, not like some places and times, where your third cousins twice removed would have taken in you and your brother and his wife and their eight children should the need have arised. In reality, when I woke up to a lot of things over the last couple of years, I had a lot to rearrange in my relationships, including with my family. The chips fell. Thank goodness I get disability pay. That's real, and you don't endear yourself well to many people who read this to slam me for it. There are many people who read this board who were in Straight who are on disability.

Now, as for your yacht and your wealthy husband, someone else started throwing the "overprivileged" argument around to shut me up for anything I had to say. I really am really frustrated with the "whole system". Straight was never my whole problem. I do see myself as "overprivileged", and I also see myself as stupid. I think pretty much everyone who can't, who couldn't, build a house from materials on the land and live off the flora and fauna of the land, is stupid. That's not really accusatory, or it's extremely accusatory, but I don't see any point in getting too very personally upset about it. Which is in fact what you started doing the first post you made on this thread, making it all about YOU. Get it, Anne Bonney? I'm targeting you? No, YOU are targeting ME. You don't like what I say or how I say it. But unlike in Straight when you got to gang up on me and make me change the way I said things and personally ridicule me, you can't shut me up. Whereas I have made some good points about whether or not people have enough money to spend it differently, you have resorted to digging your teeth into my flesh as a survivor of the same abuse that also traumatized you, and ripping me up for being on disability. Nobody knows the whole picture of my life and what happened to my mind in Straight and why traumatic child abuse to the very real extent of torture really does have a severe effect. When we were restrained, we were very immediately in fear for our lives. We couldn't breathe and our bones were forced sometimes past the literal breaking point. This was done systematically to break us psychologically. It really does count as torture. There is a good reason a lot of survivors of this kind of abuse are on disability. And, I have really been amused at the simplicity of the argument regarding whether or not people on disability have a right to complain about the state of the union.

As for your other insults, I don't find them very clever. I don't really know if you have a yacht or not, but it's colorful and fun to bat around. I drive a spaceship, why don't you make fun of that? It would entertain people a lot more than your garden variety attack insults. I am no more "overprivileged" than RTP, our parents were in the same job/money/education strata, and I have probably actually had less money pass through my hands in my adult life than he. I mean, certainly a person could have a field day with how incompetent I am, but I try to take a kinder view of myself than I took a few years ago, because an unkind view doesn't really fix anything.

Some people know what I mean about the grotesque highways, and if they choose to respond with their own philosophies, at least we have begun on some common ground. Go back and read your initial response to my initial post, and then read some other people's responses. You make yourself sound very overprivileged. For a lot of people who live in your town, that morning cup of coffee at the coffee shop is not something they can factor into their budget. I've gotten "money from mom", but I've also been the kind of poor that chooses between band-aids and beans and tapes up gash wounds with a paper towel and masking tape. What can you get for 63 cents?

I suppose it was crass of all of us to discuss finances in public. [ hang heads in shame, or at least look sheepish ] But the people calling me "overprivileged"? Please. If things in this thread did turn into a rip roaring something or other, well, next time, don't come up to me when I'm swinging a bat. I really like batting things around. It's not my fault if you don't understand what I am saying. Some people do, and I don't care to write a literary and philosophical explication every time I post for those who don't. I could say that it was rude of you to respond to what I wrote the way you did in your first post. It was at the very least a severe misreading. Who am I to judge you? I'm the O.P.  I wasn't talking to you, and I wasn't judging you. You were talking to yourself and judging yourself and wanting me to answer questions that I really think you should answer for yourself. I think it's very nice that you do, in fact, care about some of the issues raised in this thread. I think we've all had a nice time discussing it. Now I think we can all retire to search engines and see if we can introduce some serious, verifiable information into the topic.

Bygones.  :em:


wow she's actually making some sense here.
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« Reply #84 on: December 28, 2006, 10:30:53 AM »
I responded to your post with a serious question.  Are you suggesting that we all give up our jobs and live on some hippie commune and make our own clothes.  At first, I thought it might be Cassandra....that's why I took it personally......later on.  At first I was just responding to an anon post.  YOU are the one that seemed to get so freaked out about it.

Go ahead, slam me for whatever you'd like.  I've said before that I don't know where I'd be without my husband.  He's by no means wealthy, but he's definitely a gem.  The ONLY reason I said anything about you taking SSDI is because of the vehemence with which you seem to go after EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has ever tried to help you.  You say I don't know what you've gone through, well what makes you think you have any fucking clue what I"VE been through?  YOu don't know what I do for my community or what I don't.  I stick by those things I said...I like my coffee, my spaghettios and the stupid little gifts I give my kids.  If that makes me an asshole in your eyes, so be it.  I don't give a fuck.

Get off your fucking high horse bitch.  I've spoken to you ONCE on the phone and never met you in person.  The one conversation we had was at the request of someone else (who was trying to help and whom you later slammed).  Obviously it went nowhere.  You think everyone is out to get you to the point where you actually think they're taping your conversations and travelling up to where-ever-the-fuck you live to spy on you and no one can do or say anything to convince you otherwise.  Maybe you really are crazy or schizo....I don't know.  I just know you're an obnoxious, self righteous, spoiled little bitch who attacks EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS EVER TRIED TO HELP HER.

Grow up little girl.


Bygones?   Hmmmmm.  Interesting.   Bob????? :roll:
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« Reply #85 on: December 28, 2006, 12:36:58 PM »
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I responded to your post with a serious question.  Are you suggesting that we all give up our jobs and live on some hippie commune and make our own clothes.  At first, I thought it might be Cassandra....that's why I took it personally......later on.  At first I was just responding to an anon post.  YOU are the one that seemed to get so freaked out about it.

Go ahead, slam me for whatever you'd like.  I've said before that I don't know where I'd be without my husband.  He's by no means wealthy, but he's definitely a gem.  The ONLY reason I said anything about you taking SSDI is because of the vehemence with which you seem to go after EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has ever tried to help you.  You say I don't know what you've gone through, well what makes you think you have any fucking clue what I"VE been through?  YOu don't know what I do for my community or what I don't.  I stick by those things I said...I like my coffee, my spaghettios and the stupid little gifts I give my kids.  If that makes me an asshole in your eyes, so be it.  I don't give a fuck.

Get off your fucking high horse bitch.  I've spoken to you ONCE on the phone and never met you in person.  The one conversation we had was at the request of someone else (who was trying to help and whom you later slammed).  Obviously it went nowhere.  You think everyone is out to get you to the point where you actually think they're taping your conversations and travelling up to where-ever-the-fuck you live to spy on you and no one can do or say anything to convince you otherwise.  Maybe you really are crazy or schizo....I don't know.  I just know you're an obnoxious, self righteous, spoiled little bitch who attacks EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS EVER TRIED TO HELP HER.

Grow up little girl.


Bygones?   Hmmmmm.  Interesting.   Bob????? :roll:


This is the kind of thing that makes you look crazy and not me. Even if it had been Cassandra, why would you take the start of the thread personally? I never said I knew what you had been through and have actually felt sympathetic to the news of your nervous breakdown, and I think it is very nice that your husband took care of you. No one said anything about your community service, no one said you were a horrible person, I in fact said I was the most evil person of all. It is your own guilty conscience that brings up spaghettios, coffee, and the stupid plastic crap you get your kids, and keeps bringing it up, and keeps daring someone to tell you something about it. Suit yourself. You simply can't understand me and you shouldn't try, but neither should you make yourself look bad with the cheap insults. And, no, you and some other people went after the SSDI thing to be hurtful and invalidate anything I said. Jealous? Of your life in Tampa? Is anyone in left field to catch that one?

I do think people should be careful about who they give their money to. It is a fact that the Gap family has ruthlessly destroyed many square miles of rainforest. I'd like my grandchildren to be able to breathe. Would you mind paying attention to what the corporations are doing to the planet? That's all, dear, just look at the back of the package, think, research. Because, you know, you may be a grandmother and a greatgrandmother someday, that's a lot of little kids playing in streams that are fouled up and all that touchy-feely stuff about the polluted earth. The Thames River was so polluted a few centuries ago that it used to catch fire, but they figured it out and cleaned it up. The Romans laid a brilliant network of lead pipes, which didn't turn out to be so brilliant after all. Washington, D.C. just got bumped to Zone 8 - that's global warming, people. The trees can't get up and walk to the zone that suits them. (Read The End of Nature by Bill McKibben.) It's time for massive tree planting projects. It's time for public transportation and bicycles to take off like wildfire all over the planet.

And please, Anne, no matter how unpleasantly you may feel towards me at this point in time, leave with this thought: I do not and CANNOT think of you as more guilty than myself, at all, whatsoever. Until I settle down and learn to make yogurt, I still buy the little plastic cups and throw them away... [ runs for cover from a hailstorm of cheap plastic shit thrown by Bonney's offspring... ]
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« Reply #86 on: December 28, 2006, 01:13:09 PM »
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This is the kind of thing that makes you look crazy and not me. Even if it had been Cassandra, why would you take the start of the thread personally?

Because of conversations that I've had with her that you know nothing about.

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I never said I knew what you had been through and have actually felt sympathetic to the news of your nervous breakdown, and I think it is very nice that your husband took care of you. No one said anything about your community service, no one said you were a horrible person, I in fact said I was the most evil person of all. It is your own guilty conscience that brings up spaghettios, coffee, and the stupid plastic crap you get your kids, and keeps bringing it up, and keeps daring someone to tell you something about it.

This was my first post in the thread....
So, what are you suggesting? That everyone quit their jobs and move to commune where they can grow their own veggies, hunt their own meat and make their own clothes? Should the entire country go back to the barter system? America is fucked up. Walmarts and 7-11s everywhere, but not everyone in suburbia is selfish, clueless and evil. I'm finally getting to a point in my life where I actually enjoy it. I like getting up and having my coffee with a little vanilla, reading the paper or a book, walking the dogs with my neighbors and buying stupid little meaningless crap to put in my kids' stockings just cuz it'll make them feel good. I like being able to run to the supermarket and get toilet paper if I need it.

Extremism on either side is unhealthy, IMO.


That could have been to anyone and was a legitimate question.  Then Cassandra did post a response, so I posted back.

Of course they are. Where did I say they weren't? I think communes and hillbillys are fan-fucking-tasic. Seriously, but it's just not my lifestyle. I enjoy the way I live. I hate the way that the Walmarts of the world are making it damn near impossible to tell one town from the next but I have no desire to grow my own vegetables or live on a farm. I like being able to go to the grocery store and pick up some potatos and even stupid childhood comfort food like Spaghettios. Does that make me evil, part of the problem, clueless, a slave to the corporate world? I do what I can to preserve my own little corners of the world. I try and support and protect and nurture things that are important to me that might not be important to you. I guess I just hate the way that the extremists on both sides seem to sit in judgement of each other.

I'm just tired of looking at the world the way that I have been for so long and I'm trying to find my own peace with it.


This is when I thought that Cassandra might be the original poster, but when I responded to the OP, it really didn't matter...I was asking a legitimate question in response to the OP.



 
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Suit yourself. You simply can't understand me and you shouldn't try,

Believe me, I have no desire to try and crawl around in that head of yours.

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but neither should you make yourself look bad with the cheap insults. And, no, you and some other people went after the SSDI thing to be hurtful and invalidate anything I said.

I think it was more to point out the hypocrisy in some of your statements, but whatever gets you through the night.:roll:

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Jealous? Of your life in Tampa?

St. Pete.  I like it, always have.

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I do think people should be careful about who they give their money to. It is a fact that the Gap family has ruthlessly destroyed many square miles of rainforest. I'd like my grandchildren to be able to breathe. Would you mind paying attention to what the corporations are doing to the planet? That's all, dear, just look at the back of the package, think, research. Because, you know, you may be a grandmother and a greatgrandmother someday, that's a lot of little kids playing in streams that are fouled up and all that touchy-feely stuff about the polluted earth. The Thames River was so polluted a few centuries ago that it used to catch fire, but they figured it out and cleaned it up. The Romans laid a brilliant network of lead pipes, which didn't turn out to be so brilliant after all. Washington, D.C. just got bumped to Zone 8 - that's global warming, people. The trees can't get up and walk to the zone that suits them. (Read The End of Nature by Bill McKibben.) It's time for massive tree planting projects. It's time for public transportation and bicycles to take off like wildfire all over the planet.

Alright, again.  What's your solution?  Should we all do the exact same thing or is there room for people to do what feels right to them?

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And please, Anne, no matter how unpleasantly you may feel towards me at this point in time, leave with this thought: I do not and CANNOT think of you as more guilty than myself, at all, whatsoever. Until I settle down and learn to make yogurt, I still buy the little plastic cups and throw them away...

Fair enough.  Any animosity I feel for you came when you attacked all those that tried to help you.  I used to feel really badly for you, but you make it damn near impossible to have anything but contempt for you now.

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[ runs for cover from a hailstorm of cheap plastic shit thrown by Bonney's offspring... ]


They'd probably be throwing their nursing books at you, paying particular attention to the chapters detailing extreme paranoia and schizophrenia.
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« Reply #87 on: December 28, 2006, 01:20:11 PM »
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There is a good reason a lot of survivors of this kind of abuse are on disability. And, I have really been amused at the simplicity of the argument regarding whether or not people on disability have a right to complain about the state of the union.

Right.. :tup:
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« Reply #88 on: December 28, 2006, 01:25:41 PM »
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Washington, D.C. just got bumped to Zone 8 - that's global warming, people.

I'm really digging these warm winters..  ::bwahaha::
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« Reply #89 on: December 28, 2006, 01:29:05 PM »
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Alright, again. What's your solution?

The Tire Ranch.  :tup:
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