POSITIVE Carlbrook Experiences

[Anonymous]

I imagine Ginger wouldn't allow that breach of trust.  Hell, I know she wouldn't, after the legalese documents I've pored over where she's mentioned.

[Anonymous]

Still...I'm familiar enough with TSW, and I have to wonder what was said.

[Anonymous]

read the whole thread.

[Anne Bonney]

Anne:

1) I am still waiting for you to contact me in pm on yahoo.

Haven't had time yet, will do.

2) I am still confused to as how you think I outted your anon status here on fornits.

I may not have been specifically referring to you.  It could have been MGDP.  It's more the threat or implied threat to do so.  Or just throwing around the fact that you all DO have access to people's IPs that makes people think twice about posting or what they post.  Now with the two of you discussing when my period is going to end, it just doesn't inspire confidence that any sense of anonymity is real.  Or it could have been the other anon talking about someone else entirely, I don't know.

I strongly encourage you to get in contact with me to attempt to help clear this matter up. Trust in the fact that my "panties" are not all that overly bunched up that my objectivity isn't diminished.

Please contact me at dan_the_chainsawman on yahoo.

My, haven't we become all business-like.  I will in a bit.  I just crawled out of an engine room and I'm filthy and in dire need of a shower.

[Anonymous]

I actually attended Carlbrook in the first year.  It is nothing like you detractors describe. The OP summarized it well. You can have a terrible experience, or you can use the opp to learn something about yourself and be ready to move on in life when you leave. Sturg was a mess before, during and after Carlbrook. There were others who didn't benefit and have a lot of angre a t the school because they themselves were fuckups.  I myself hated a lot of it but that is mainly because I was used to being able to do whatever I wanted to do and at Carlbrook I couldn't get away with my ususal shit.  the owners of the school work really long hours and while some might seem like asses, they actually really care about each and every kid there.  Yes Andy Coe is pretty psycho, but if I wwere around kids such as myself day in and day out for a career I would be psycho too.
I can't understand how those of you on this forum like dysfunction who sounds like an adult can claim any knowledge of Carlbrook at all. I can't even imagine why an adult would waste hours and hours on a forum about a teen school. It really makes me wonder if you are a pedophile or something.  I hope you are getting some counseling for whatever makes you want to invest your life complaining about schools.
I read some of the ASR and HLA threads since these schools are a little like Carlbrook, although from what I have learned HLA is really not a comparison because the kids that go are much worse off than the Carlbrook kids and the academics aren't as good.  I can tell that HLA isn't like Carlbrook, too because if you will notice the Carlbrook discussion doesn't attract many people. This is because the Carlbrook kids have lives and have moved on. They don't have any interest in spending their life on a message board like Robert Bruce and Deborah complaining about a cschool and fightin gwith each other.  And who in the hell is wobegookin and where did she go to school?  I have to tell you that you all seem crazy and I am glad that I didn't go wherever you all did.  I sent an IM to one of my Carlbrook friends and she looked at this site and thought it was the most incredible waste of human energy she had ever seen.  I hope you know that the kids and staff connected with Carlbrook are laughing their heads off at all of you.  
Maybe consider taking up another hobby.

[Anne Bonney]

The more I read about this place, the more it reminds me of Straight, at least on the peer culture and emotional abuse end.  Straight wasn't billed as a school though.  Other than that, though the post below could have been written by me twenty years ago and I think, as I said in the thread that I quoted from, it explains the extreme devotion and fanatical responses to criticisms of the school. They cannot tolerate any type of critical, rational thought. Their entire premise depends on isolation and making the victim vulnerable enough to be manipulated into believing pretty much anything. It also explains how they can try and claim that any of it is voluntary. They don't see coercion and isolation for what it really is...brainwashing.




http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=8792&start=30

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:32 pm     Post subject: carlbrook    Reply with quote

I went to Carlbrook from July 05 to June 06... the experiences i had there were both positive and negative... First off, i had very very little behavioral problems and virtually no drug or alchohol problems. I feel i was placed there unfairly. My ed-consultant was the owners mother and my wood's therapist was their close family friend. I feel i was placed at Carlbrook out of convience and manipulation, not out of actually need. Carlbrook felt like Jail. My advisor was extremely manipulative and by the end of my stay there i was being attacked and singled out by almost all the staff and many students. The owner, Grant Price is an absolute mad man. He has no qualification to run that school other than the fact that he went to a tbs previously. In groups most of the staff cuss the students out and manipulate them to believe that they really need carlbrook's help in order to even survive in the "real World". They convince completely normal and talented kids that they "hate themselves" and make them feel they have nowhere else to turn. The emotional manipulation there is unreal. They believe that a student who has any natural spunk or spirit must first be broken by carlbrook and then built back up. If you decide to not fully comply emotionally to the program and philosophy there you are isolated from your friends and made to feel like an outcast from everyone around. they put you on 'Bans' which mean you cannot talk to a certain group of people for reasons only Carlbrook can justify. It is borderline INSANE! In my last 3 weeks there, i was placed in "suspension" which is basically a room in which you sit at a desk and stare straight ahead. You cannot look at any other studetn, talk to any one unless raising your hand or being adressed by a staff first. You have virtually NO contact with anyone other than the security staff in that room. When you do leave the room you must walk in a straight line with your head down and are forbidden to look up. I was placed in there because someone said that i was gossiping about other studetns which was completely false. It was complete injustice.. And Andy Coe... this man is the devil. He lied and told the whole school this heart-wrenching story about the near death of his daughter which was completely UNTRUE. the staff lies to the studetns in order to make them feel a certain way. Most of the Therapy was BULLSHIT!!!!! the only staff that really cared abotu the kids were the maintainance staff, teachers, cooking staff, security staff, and a VERY small number of advisors.... Parents need to think VERY VERY long and hard b4 making a drastic decision to send your child to a hell hole like this. and if you do.... there better be absolutely NO other option for them

[Anonymous]

well I guess we'll just have to wait 20 years to see if the carlbook grads are losers on message boards like you are. somehow I don't think that will be the case.  get over it annie.  how pathetic can you possibly be?  Carlbook didn't brainwash and didn't base the program on isolation. There was some breaking down, but most of us needed that. no it wasn't fun, but neither was watching our life go down the tubes with drugs or other stuff.

[Anonymous]

Why did you come to post here, to convince a bunch of "losers" a school nobody cares about is great? Who gives a shit dude, nobody here does. Look how fast the conversation changes. What some of us do find funny is how similar program graduates sound in their zelousness in defending their program. That is pathetic and very strange.

[Anne Bonney]

well I guess we'll just have to wait 20 years to see if the carlbook grads are losers on message boards like you are. somehow I don't think that will be the case.  get over it annie.  how pathetic can you possibly be?  Carlbook didn't brainwash and didn't base the program on isolation. There was some breaking down, but most of us needed that. no it wasn't fun, but neither was watching our life go down the tubes with drugs or other stuff.

Ya know, I would like to see how you feel about your experience there in a few years from now.  Being out in the real world and being allowed to think for yourself can be incredibly powerful, sometimes in a good way, sometimes not.

Why do you assume I don't have a good life now?  I'm actually quite happy now.  It took a long time to get here because of the damage inflicted in Straight and the years after, that's why I'm here.  I was shocked to find out a couple of years ago that places like that not only still exist, but are mulitplying.  I'm doing my little part to give parents a peek at the man behind the curtain.

[Anonymous]

They don't care, they are too busy reliving that rush they used to get when giving their off the cuff psychobabble advice to other kids at their program. You know, just like the kid sent there for ditching school, smoking pot and drinking, telling the suicidal heroin addict how much of a loser they are for not getting with it. Takes ya right back, don't it?

[Antigen]

I think i know who you're talking about.  If he's keeping an eye on program staffers posting, I don't have a problem with it.  Threatening them with exposure keeps them away.  Think of it as RAID for program vermin.

Well I have a problem with it. I don't want program staff to stay away. I want them to use these forums just as freely as anybody. I want them to say just what they think out here in public where sane people can see for themselves just how nuckin futz they are.

Other reasons cited here are equally valid. I know for a fact that journalists, lawyers and potential industry marks have hooked up with people they need to talk to by way of anon posts. And then there are all manner and kind of social hookups that come out of anon postings.

This really is serious business to me and here's the main reason. I've anguished over what to do, how to respond to the nightmare we've all witnessed. You pro-program people just can't understand what it's like for a 6yo little girl to look into her brother's face after just a couple of weeks in group and not find him there behind those eyes. He never really has come back, either. Not fully or for long. And I can't understand how you people (my own parents included) could view that as a good thing! I want to understand that. But we weren't even allowed to acknowledge the fact, let alone seriously discuss it, while we were all in the Program. Hell, in my family it's still verboten to speak of it.

So one day it occurred to me that if there's a single common thread to how all of these programs work, it's this; NO TALKING OUT IN GROUP. That's the linchpin. And if you read up on Stalinist Russia, NAZI Germany, life in Cuba under Castro or Maoist China you'll find the same theme at play. Everybody's afraid to say what they really think. Take that away and ** POOF ** the slight of mind vanishes like a spirit at the dawn of day. And all without coercion.

[psy]

You know.  As much as i would LOVE to know the IPs of some posters this is an anonymous forum.  I dont see evidence of milk threatening, or even implying to out anybody, he is simply stating that he knows.  So heres my suggestion to pacify the masses.  Milk:

Create yourself an Admin account soely for the purpose of deleting duplicate posts etc.  Then remove admin rights from your MGDP account.

Problem solved.  He wont see peoples ips anymore.  Basically he would have two hats, one for personal, one for "work".

[Anne Bonney]

Ughhh.  (sigh)  Look, I'm honestly not trying to create any problems here.  I've personally felt this way for a little while and it came out last night.  I blew off some steam.  Maybe there wasn't an overt threat, but the feeling was there.  The other anon described it well.  It's been passive-aggressive steering of threads and just generally being an asshole until now and that's fine, we all are at times but now that administration positions have changed, so have the posts.  It adds to that atmosphere of distrust that already exists here and, to me, it's been counter productive.  

I'm not suggesting any administrative changes, nor would it be my place to do so.  I have absolutely no problem with Milk being a dick and posting the things that he does.   Hell, I've defended him anonymously when he's been going off on some programmie.  It's just not the usual type of conversation I enjoy though so I usually stay away from those.  It's different when either me or someone else is having a discussion with someone and he comes in and starts shit for the sole sake of entertainment or making himself look like the bad boy of Fornits or just to be a pain in the ass, as he's said his purpose is here.    I've been a huge bitch around here at times.  I guess I was just trying to be a little more selective with it in an attempt to get something accomplished.  

I said what I had to say.  I have a huge headache and I'm gonna try and go to sleep.

 ::dove::  :smokin:  ::bandit::  ::cheers::

[Nihilanthic]

So someone ripped the line out of the utility pole infront of my yard and now I'm back online.

Looks like I've missed a lot  :rofl:

I LOVE this new angle... "good experiences (insofar as what we were told were good) only!"

Right, so because someone went through the full LGAT experience (including euphoria) and was convinced it was good for them, had a beneficial effect, and they believe it, they now have to go out into the world and tell everyone to only listen to what some overly influenced programmie has to say and ignore anything factual, specific, and evidential and only listen to their generalized, spin-doctored press-release-esque boilerplate about how they could have taken the "opportunity to learn about themself instead of making it a bad experience".

OP - do rape victims have the obligation of learning about how they like submission, masochism, humiliation, fear and potential STD infection and "how it RELATES to them" and make it a growth experience during a rape?

'cause saying you "make or break the program experience" is basically the same thing...

[Deborah]

I actually attended Carlbrook in the first year.  It is nothing like you detractors describe. The OP summarized it well. You can have a terrible experience, or you can use the opp to learn something about yourself and be ready to move on in life when you leave. Sturg was a mess before, during and after Carlbrook. There were others who didn't benefit and have a lot of angre a t the school because they themselves were fuckups.  I myself hated a lot of it but that is mainly because I was used to being able to do whatever I wanted to do and at Carlbrook I couldn't get away with my ususal shit.  the owners of the school work really long hours and while some might seem like asses, they actually really care about each and every kid there.  Yes Andy Coe is pretty psycho, but if I wwere around kids such as myself day in and day out for a career I would be psycho too.
I can't understand how those of you on this forum like dysfunction who sounds like an adult can claim any knowledge of Carlbrook at all. I can't even imagine why an adult would waste hours and hours on a forum about a teen school. It really makes me wonder if you are a pedophile or something.  I hope you are getting some counseling for whatever makes you want to invest your life complaining about schools.
I read some of the ASR and HLA threads since these schools are a little like Carlbrook, although from what I have learned HLA is really not a comparison because the kids that go are much worse off than the Carlbrook kids and the academics aren't as good.  I can tell that HLA isn't like Carlbrook, too because if you will notice the Carlbrook discussion doesn't attract many people. This is because the Carlbrook kids have lives and have moved on. They don't have any interest in spending their life on a message board like Robert Bruce and Deborah complaining about a cschool and fightin gwith each other.  And who in the hell is wobegookin and where did she go to school?  I have to tell you that you all seem crazy and I am glad that I didn't go wherever you all did.  I sent an IM to one of my Carlbrook friends and she looked at this site and thought it was the most incredible waste of human energy she had ever seen.  I hope you know that the kids and staff connected with Carlbrook are laughing their heads off at all of you.  
Maybe consider taking up another hobby.

What possess a program mother to go to great lengths to defend a program? OCD? Referral fees? Holding stock in said program?