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thoughts about hyde
Anonymous:
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--- Quote ---...although I don't believe Hyde would ever divulge info given privately, within their confines, to the public. That would be very risky for them to do from a legal perspective.
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Risky, my foot.
In practical terms, there is no way my paltry unemployed status could possibly compete with the deep pockets of their insurance company. Even my slightly less paltry pockets when I was still employed can't match up.
Hyde has clearly demonstrated, again and again, a flagrant disregard for "legal prudence", even in very recent history. Look at how they handled the LD problem. Same way as in years gone by!
Moreover, it has been my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE that they will LIE THROUGH THEIR TEETH when cornered with illegalities on their part. If they can get away with it, they will. They absolutely do not want to pay any piper.
"TRUTH": only when convenient, or at someone's else's expense.
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Wow, I couldn't have said it any better. I feel so vindicated by reading about Hyde on this site. Whoever started this, thank you. I think that when former students and families look at this site they will have the courage to come forward and post their experiences too. The word seems to be getting out slowly and as it does I think we will be hearing from a lot more people. I am sure that the school districts who have approved Hyde Charter Schools do not know about the "real Hyde."
Thanks to everyone who is posting. It is almost like group therapy, but in a positive way vs the intimidation we felt at Hyde.
One last thing. In talking to many other students seems as though who stick with Hyde after leaving are those who have deep problems. One friends mom is still involved and she admits that her mom is one of those types that would join a cult if she could. I also remember another family who is deep into Hyde. The father is a trust fund baby. I remember him saying that he had no purpose in life as he was very spoiled and didn't work even as a dad. He didn't know how to put his money to good use. Seems like Hyde grabbed onto this opportunity and my guess is that he now knows what to do with all his money.....give it to Hyde. They put him on the board of directors. How sad for this family!
Ursus:
--- Quote ---One friends mom is still involved and she admits that her mom is one of those types that would join a cult if she could.
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It does seem that some students that are successful at Hyde but who do not chose to continue their careers at Hyde are vulnerable to transferring their community of choice over to a cult. I know of a former classmate, considered successful by Hyde standards, who for several years now has been involved with a bonafide RickRoss-recognized cult as their, or one of their, public relations people. Recently I learned that his sister has also moved there and, if I'm not mistaken, his mother as well (although I am not all that sure about this last one).
I think one of the many reasons we get sucked into Hyde (as opposed to another institution) is that many of us are idealistic people, and Hyde strokes that part of our egos. Comments, anyone?
Anonymous:
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--- Quote ---One friends mom is still involved and she admits that her mom is one of those types that would join a cult if she could.
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It does seem that some students that are successful at Hyde but who do not chose to continue their careers at Hyde are vulnerable to transferring their community of choice over to a cult. I know of a former classmate, considered successful by Hyde standards, who for several years now has been involved with a bonafide RickRoss-recognized cult as their, or one of their, public relations people. Recently I learned that his sister has also moved there and, if I'm not mistaken, his mother as well (although I am not all that sure about this last one).
I think one of the many reasons we get sucked into Hyde (as opposed to another institution) is that many of us are idealistic people, and Hyde strokes that part of our egos. Comments, anyone?
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Ursus,
I am sympathetic to the idealism of incoming parents. Desperate enough people are ready to believe anything. The Hyde pitch must be music to their ears.
But what about the idealism of faculty and students? One would think that their idealism would forsake them at the sight of someone being led around campus on a dog leash. (Cf. the thread "Requesting Parents' Assessment of Hyde School," p. 7, posted Mon Jan. 29, 2007, an informative post that describes the collapse of one student's idealism.) And indeed, what degree of idealism can justify the degradation of humans to animals? If members of the Hyde community, be they faculty, students, or informed parents, remain idealistic after learning of or taking part in something like that, then I find this hard to understand.
Admittedly, the dog collar is an extreme case, and by the summer of 1975 the practice had been abolished. All the same, Hyde provides other opportunities to disabuse us of our idealism. I can certainly think of a few. This is why I have always questioned the emotional well-being of those who remain loyal to Hyde.
Mike
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""Ursus"" ---
--- Quote ---One friends mom is still involved and she admits that her mom is one of those types that would join a cult if she could.
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It does seem that some students that are successful at Hyde but who do not chose to continue their careers at Hyde are vulnerable to transferring their community of choice over to a cult. I know of a former classmate, considered successful by Hyde standards, who for several years now has been involved with a bonafide RickRoss-recognized cult as their, or one of their, public relations people. Recently I learned that his sister has also moved there and, if I'm not mistaken, his mother as well (although I am not all that sure about this last one).
I think one of the many reasons we get sucked into Hyde (as opposed to another institution) is that many of us are idealistic people, and Hyde strokes that part of our egos. Comments, anyone?
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Ursus,
I am sympathetic to the idealism of incoming parents. Desperate enough people are ready to believe anything. The Hyde pitch must be music to their ears.
But what about the idealism of faculty and students? One would think that their idealism would forsake them at the sight of someone being led around campus on a dog leash. (Cf. the thread "Requesting Parents' Assessment of Hyde School," p. 7, posted Mon Jan. 29, 2007, an informative post that describes the collapse of one student's idealism.) And indeed, what degree of idealism can justify the degradation of humans to animals? If members of the Hyde community, be they faculty, students, or informed parents, remain idealistic after learning of or taking part in something like that, then I find this hard to understand.
Admittedly, the dog collar is an extreme case, and by the summer of 1975 the practice had been abolished. All the same, Hyde provides other opportunities to disabuse us of our idealism. I can certainly think of a few. This is why I have always questioned the emotional well-being of those who remain loyal to Hyde.
Mike
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Your comment about how Hyde's pitch is music to some parents' ears is quite accurate. Hyde thrives on the fact that many parents who enroll there are truly desperate. Everything else they've tried has not succeeded, failed, or fallen apart. I have talked to many Hyde parents who felt like they were at the end of their rope. So, it's absolutely understandable that Hyde's fancy website, print materials, and public relations pitch sounds great.
Then, for many, reality sets in. They arrive on campus and discover that Hyde is a very different kind of place than they were led to believe. Some of the faculty and staff are cruel, ill prepared, struggling with their own major issues, unethical, abusive, and classroom instructors with lousy academic records and skills themselves. Our family was stunned to discover how many inept, inexperienced staff were responsible for our child's well being. And then there are the seminars and FLCs. There were some decent moments with kind, concerned parents, and there were also breathtakingly frightening moments with students and parents who fell apart, screamed and yelled, and "lost it." I was amazed at the stories of kids' (and some parents') psychiatric problems, and I was amazed to discover that Hyde is less than prepared to deal with these issues. That seems downright criminal to me. Why does Hyde accept kids with such serious psychiatric issues? These kids deserve help as much as anyone else, but they should be enrolled in schools designed to deal with their unique issues.
The feeling I get is that too often Hyde accepts people to fill beds, even though the school is absolutely the wrong place for many of these kids.
And don't get me started on Joe Gauld. He's the worst public relations nightmare I think I've ever encountered.Y
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""Ursus"" ---
--- Quote ---One friends mom is still involved and she admits that her mom is one of those types that would join a cult if she could.
--- End quote ---
It does seem that some students that are successful at Hyde but who do not chose to continue their careers at Hyde are vulnerable to transferring their community of choice over to a cult. I know of a former classmate, considered successful by Hyde standards, who for several years now has been involved with a bonafide RickRoss-recognized cult as their, or one of their, public relations people. Recently I learned that his sister has also moved there and, if I'm not mistaken, his mother as well (although I am not all that sure about this last one).
I think one of the many reasons we get sucked into Hyde (as opposed to another institution) is that many of us are idealistic people, and Hyde strokes that part of our egos. Comments, anyone?
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Ursus,
I am sympathetic to the idealism of incoming parents. Desperate enough people are ready to believe anything. The Hyde pitch must be music to their ears.
But what about the idealism of faculty and students? One would think that their idealism would forsake them at the sight of someone being led around campus on a dog leash. (Cf. the thread "Requesting Parents' Assessment of Hyde School," p. 7, posted Mon Jan. 29, 2007, an informative post that describes the collapse of one student's idealism.) And indeed, what degree of idealism can justify the degradation of humans to animals? If members of the Hyde community, be they faculty, students, or informed parents, remain idealistic after learning of or taking part in something like that, then I find this hard to understand.
Admittedly, the dog collar is an extreme case, and by the summer of 1975 the practice had been abolished. All the same, Hyde provides other opportunities to disabuse us of our idealism. I can certainly think of a few. This is why I have always questioned the emotional well-being of those who remain loyal to Hyde.
Mike
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Your comment about how Hyde's pitch is music to some parents' ears is quite accurate. Hyde thrives on the fact that many parents who enroll there are truly desperate. Everything else they've tried has not succeeded, failed, or fallen apart. I have talked to many Hyde parents who felt like they were at the end of their rope. So, it's absolutely understandable that Hyde's fancy website, print materials, and public relations pitch sounds great.
Then, for many, reality sets in. They arrive on campus and discover that Hyde is a very different kind of place than they were led to believe. Some of the faculty and staff are cruel, ill prepared, struggling with their own major issues, unethical, abusive, and classroom instructors with lousy academic records and skills themselves. Our family was stunned to discover how many inept, inexperienced staff were responsible for our child's well being. And then there are the seminars and FLCs. There were some decent moments with kind, concerned parents, and there were also breathtakingly frightening moments with students and parents who fell apart, screamed and yelled, and "lost it." I was amazed at the stories of kids' (and some parents') psychiatric problems, and I was amazed to discover that Hyde is less than prepared to deal with these issues. That seems downright criminal to me. Why does Hyde accept kids with such serious psychiatric issues? These kids deserve help as much as anyone else, but they should be enrolled in schools designed to deal with their unique issues.
The feeling I get is that too often Hyde accepts people to fill beds, even though the school is absolutely the wrong place for many of these kids.
And don't get me started on Joe Gauld. He's the worst public relations nightmare I think I've ever encountered.Y
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Well said. The problem is that unless people like you alert places like the NY School Board, Hyde will continue to thrive. If you feel strongly that Hyde is a danger, then why not spread the word, especially to potential donors and potential charter schools. I am sure they would be interested in knowing about this site which tells so much about Hyde.
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