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« on: October 13, 2006, 10:44:52 PM »
Hi, I posted earlier [or had someone to post] about issues with my dad. I also forgot to mention that I'm involved with something called the ACT Team. This should clear things up:

http://www.actassociation.org/actModel/

Now I'll explain my experiences with them. I don't have to go anywhere to see them, they come out to me. 'They' include a nurse, a psychiatrist, and several random people whom I'm not sure what they're for. The nurse asks questions like 'are you taking your meds?' and 'are you hearing voices or seeing things?' to which I allways reply 'yes' and 'no'. The psychiatrist doesn't say much, just prescribes more meds. And the others... well they ask alot of questions. They also offer to take me places such as 'social gatherings with other patients'. Now, considering I was diagnosed with schizophrenia, which was possibly a mistake, is this something to get concerned about?
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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2006, 11:12:44 PM »
DO NOT, repeat DO NOT, under ANY circumstances, take their offers of seeing anyone else. Ever. Do NOT get into a car with them, regardless of anything. Their idea of "meeting other patients" might be something you don't want to know about.

Always accept the medication they give you, but it's up to you whether or not to take it. If you're not actually taking the medication they give you, remember to throw away the prescribed dose daily.

The best way to act in their presence is *bored*- make it tacitly clear that you don't really need their help, and you're only answering their questions to humor them. Professionals like that pick up on this vibe quickly.

You've got to get the hell out of there.
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2006, 11:42:47 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2006, 01:34:52 AM »
You know, it sounds like your father has Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy.  Fathers can be the perpetrators, too.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/c ... t/85/3/370

I don't know how knowing that can help you, except that since the actionassist people list in their mission statement that helping patients live independently is one of their goals, you need to express to them that you want to move out.

That actionassist organization has as part of their mission statement helping patients live independently.

I have bipolar disorder.  You may not have schizophrenia, but I really do have a major mental illness.

DISCLAIMER: I'm not a lawyer, this is not specific legal advice.

That doesn't mean I have no rights, and whether you are schizophrenic or not, you have rights, too.

The most important thing to remember about your rights is that you should never, ever, ever sign any form or waiver without reading it and fully understanding what it is that you're signing.  If you're woozy on tranquilizers or something and don't understand, then just don't sign ANYTHING until you're sober again.  Even if that's a long time.  If you're not good with legalese, ask one of the nurses or whoever to explain, in detail, any parts you don't understand.

Read all the fine print, always.

Do not ever, ever, ever waive the right to be present in person at any hearings.  Do not ever, ever, ever waive the right to a hearing before a judge.  In general, don't sign things waiving rights, and don't sign privacy release forms unless you're absolutely sure those forms do NOT release information to your father.  Do NOT sign any forms that list your father as your next of kin.  Scratch his name out, fill in whoever you want to be considered next of kin, initial the change, and then sign.  If they won't let you change it that way, refuse to sign.

Go ahead and start getting a job and getting ready to move out.  If you have a friend that will let you move in with them, or you can get a roommate, or a boyfriend, move out.

If he tries to get you committed, you can turn that to your advantage to permanently break his hold over you for the rest of your life.

What you can do is call Legal Aid and get them to help you write a living will.  Your living will should state that in case of your becoming incompetent to make your own medical or mental health decisions you want {name} to make those decisions for you.  Then you say that in the event that the courts find {name} unacceptable for some reason, or if for some reason {name} is unable to fulfill the function, you want the Court to appoint a Guardian Ad Litem for you.  State in your living will that you specifically do not want your father to have any access to you, your doctors, or any of your medical records whatsoever.  State in your living will that anybody  a Court selects other than your father will be more acceptable to you than your father would be.  State that you do not wish for your father to be considered your next of kin.  State who you do want to be considered your next of kin.  

Your dad will, of course, when he tries to get you committed again, contest your living will as invalid on the grounds that you were already mentally incompetent when you made it.  The thing is, you are entitled to a court hearing to determine if that living will is valid or not, and you are entitled to be present.  Insist on it.  Insist on a court-appointed attorney to represent your best interests at the hearing.  If they put you before the court with only your dad and ignore your wish for an attorney of your own, as soon as you get in front of the judge, object.  "Your Honor, I object to my father representing me.  He represents his own interests, not mine.  I want someone completely independent to represent my interests in this hearing."  He may talk to you some more to be sure you understand what you are asking.  Repeatedly insist, if he asks you and as he talks to you, that you want an independent, disinterested person to represent your interests.  Repeatedly insist that your father has a conflict of interests and is representing his own interests, not yours.

You can say, before the judge, "Just because I've been diagnosed with a mental illness doesn't mean I don't have any rights.  I may have to have a legally competent person to make certain decisions for me, but it doesn't have to be him.  Your Honor, I have never had the opportunity to make a living will when I was considered 'of sound mind' because I was labelled as not being of sound mind while I was still a child.  If mentally ill people have any rights at all, it is the right to have a specific person who they believe is not acting in their best interests removed from guardianship of their affairs.  Sure, I don't have the right to ask that a new guardian be appointed every other week, but now that I am grown, even with my being diagnosed mentally ill, I should have the right to say 'not him' to a hypothetical guardian at least once in my life.  Your Honor, this is hardly an unreasonable request."

When you get your lawyer, or your Guardian Ad Litem (who will probably be a lawyer, so pretty much the same thing), tell him you believe your father has Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy, and that a quick Google will show scholarly articles exist showing fathers can be perpetrators as well as mothers.

Tell him that you assert that if you are able to terminate all contact with your father, and all access of his to your medical records and progress, and undergo, under the care of a psychiatrist, supervised, gradual reduction in dose to find the minimum dose at which you are stable that they will find that that dose is zero.

Have him argue that even if you are schizophrenic, your right to the least restrictive environment extends to being on the lowest dose of medication that will keep you stable.  Have him also argue that the side effect profile of psychiatric medications shows that many of the most serious side effects are higher risk at higher doses, and that you have the right, as standard of care in medical practice, to be on the lowest dose of those medications that will keep you stable.  Have him argue that you are fully willing to comply with the doctor's instructions as you test to discover the appropriate dose of your medications--if any.   Have him offer that you are willing to keep a detailed, daily journal--once you are out of reach of your father--so that the doctor can have that much more information available if he has questions or concerns about your progress.

Reading of your plight, I see two possibilities.  Either you're not sick and your father has Munchausen by Proxy, or you are schizophrenic and have the symptom of believing you're not sick--which happens with real schizophrenics and real bipolars.

Even if you are you have the right to have someone other than your father as your guardian if you want to, you have the right to the least restrictive environment and the lowest effective dose of your medications, you have the right to exclude your father from seeing you or having any access at all to your doctors or your medical information.

He really doesn't have as much power over you as he's manipulated you to think.

If you ignore his threats to Baker Act you and move out and get a job, he can't hold the threat over your head to control you.

If he does manage to get you taken in for evaluation or even committed, he can't control you anymore, either, because you can use your rights to cut him out of your life for good--if you are determined enough to go through with it and stick to it.

Children's human rights in this country are very poorly protected.

Mentally ill adults' rights are very well protected, if you know what yours are and know how to use them.

Julie
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2006, 01:36:53 AM »
BTW--Fornits automatically replaces **you**need**to**, written the normal way, with "I want you to".

It's one of Ginger's little things to mess with people's heads---particularly program people's heads.

If it makes bits of my post read funny in places, that's why.

Julie
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2006, 01:58:23 AM »
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15196598/

MSNBC
'Schizophrenia' should be dropped, experts say
British psychiatrists say label is stigmatizing and meaningless
Updated: 11:35 a.m. ET Oct 9, 2006

LONDON - Mental health experts called on Monday for the term schizophrenia to be dropped, saying it has no scientific validity, is imprecise and stigmatizing.

"It is a harmful concept," said Marius Romme, a visiting professor of social psychiatry at the University of Central England in Birmingham.
He added that symptoms such as delusions, hearing voices and hallucinations are not the results of the illness but may be reactions to traumatic and troubling events in life.[Extreme PTSD?]

Speaking at a news conference, Richard Bentall, a professor of clinical psychology at the University of Manchester, said the concept of schizophrenia is scientifically meaningless.

"It groups together a whole range of different problems under one label - the assumption is that all of these people with all of these different problems have the same brain disease," he added.

Schizophrenia affects about 1 percent of people in the United States and Britain. Treatments such as atypical antipsychotic drugs focus on eliminating the symptoms. But the drugs can cause side effects such as weight gain, an increased risk of diabetes and sexual dysfunction.
Paul Hammersley of the University of Manchester who recently helped launch The Campaign for the Abolition of the Schizophrenia Label (CASL), said there is no agreement on the cause of the illness or its treatment.

CASL argues that the term schizophrenia is extremely damaging to those to whom it is applied and implies unpredictability, being dangerous, unable to cope and someone in need of life-long treatment.

"It is like canceling someone's life," said Hammersley. "We generally believe this word has to go."
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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2006, 04:12:19 AM »
I personally feel shes plagued with no more of a "problem" than what I had:

Being kept inside too fucking much and thusly having no social skills besides how ot beg for attention, items and money from a caregiver and do shit on a computer, or stare at a TV/play videogames.

Then again, she needs a second opinion from someone who doesnt know what shes been previously 'diagnosed' with in the firstplace.

If there is something wrong with her - she deserves help, not a damnation to a live of staring at a computer sitting on her ass jobless and dependant on a buisness or instiution using her as a cash cow!!

If there isnt anything wrong with her, her Dad needs to get drug to court. Ive been to the NC state courthouse more times than I care to remember (and I hate the 'Judge Dredd' motif on the outside... so 1950s) and Id gladly spectate for that, as much as I stil hate that state so much  8)

Also, is there any way she can nail her dad for that bullshit bakeracting he did to her? Or is that grey area or just hard to litigate?
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2006, 04:18:19 AM »
Hm... first thing, how would I go about getting records/copies of the papers I signed? I know I was pressured into signing some when the ACT Team started coming out. If it was something bad I signed, how would I go about cancelling what I signed? By the way, I have the card that has the ACT Team number on it... it says 'Peterkin and Associates' at the top, if that means anything.
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2006, 04:22:34 AM »
Quote from: ""modsan""
Hm... first thing, how would I go about getting records/copies of the papers I signed? I know I was pressured into signing some when the ACT Team started coming out. If it was something bad I signed, how would I go about cancelling what I signed? By the way, I have the card that has the ACT Team number on it... it says 'Peterkin and Associates' at the top, if that means anything.


Peterkin and Associates

117 Moore Street
Fayetteville, NC 28301

(910) 483-3414

Primary Focus: Substance abuse treatment services <- WTF?

AFAIK her diagnoses are as follows:

IBS
Schitzophrenia
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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2006, 03:42:46 PM »
Go to legal aid and ask for their help.

Say you understand that some schizophrenics don't believe they're sick, and you understand that someone talking to you can't know if that's you or not, but that whether you are or not, you still have rights.

Tell them you need help exercising your rights to see that whoever looks out for your interests if you can't, it's not your dad.

Tell them you may have signed waivers, you don't know what you did or didn't sign, and you want help getting your life back---which again, means getting it free of your dad.

Tell them your dad is terribly controlling and is using your diagnosis to maintain extreme control over your life.

Then tell them that even if you do need someone competent deciding some things for you, you want your dad all the way out of your life.  You can tell them what you told us about what he does.

The point is, mentally ill or not, you've got rights.  Legal aid is there to help people with no money, like you, exercise your most basic of rights---which these are.

If you insist on getting your dad all the way out of your life, and you stick to it, and insist on him being all the way out for several years---if legal aid understands that you really do want that, and that you certainly appear lucid and stable while telling them you want that, they should be able to help you do everything you need to do to achieve it.

The stuff below is about cutting people out of your life, and is just my opinion on the same.  If you don't care to read that kind of rant, you might want to skip it.

Julie

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Honestly, I'm very different from a lot of people on this kind of thing.  I believe that when you have a highly controlling person in your life, trying to control you, that the only way to get your life back is to completely cut contact with that person.  I don't think it should matter whether that's a needs-to-be-ex spouse, or a parent, or a sibling, or whoever.  Anyone trying to control your life for you, when you're an adult, ain't your friend.

I believe that having your own life, within your own "healthy boundaries"---which means you in the driver's seat in a normal, average way--is more important than any single human relationship in your life, of any kind.  Relationships can be replaced.  You've only got one life.

I would advise you to cut your dad out of your life.  I know most people wouldn't agree with that, but if what you're telling us is straight up and he goes so far as to follow you in the car when you leave the house walking, then you've only got two choices---you can completely cut him out of your life, or you can hand control of your life over to him.

Most controlling people can be gotten out of control of your life just by blowing them off.  Determinedly.

Your father is different, because he's using the legal system, and lying through his teeth, to maintain coercive control over you.  Somebody like that is very dangerous to your ever having a mentally healthy life unless you cut him all the way out.

Maybe you can let him back into your life, on a limited basis, in a few years when you've arranged things so that he can never regain control over you, and when you've developed the habit of successfully resisting other people's attempts to control your life for you.

Anyway, that's what I think.
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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2006, 04:03:32 PM »
I'm not saying you're schizophrenic and your dad's right about you, you should be locked up, yada yada yada.

I'm saying it doesn't matter either way.

I'm saying you'll get better traction with the legal system going at it from this angle.

You may not be mentally ill, but I am.  I've had to get to know my own rights in order to ensure I keep some reasonable control over my own life.

I haven't been through anything like you have, but I had some well-meaning so-called friends try to commit me once, and once was more than enough.  I had incentive to learn how to deal with the system.

I'm not a lawyer, I'm not a doctor.  I'm just a lady with bipolar disorder who likes having my own damn life and intends to keep it that way.

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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2006, 05:43:24 PM »
You might find some helpful advice and links here:
http://www.narpa.org/
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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2006, 06:05:05 PM »
Thx for the links and info!
And okay... I got out my meds and looked over them. Alot of them, I don't understand why I'm taking them because I don't seem to have most of these conditions. There are a total of seven, left is the name of the med, right is its 'purpose':

Folbic - Vitamin
Zoloft - Depression/Anxiety
Hyoscyamine - IBS
Propranolol - Hypertension
Abilify - Schizophrenia
Aciphex - Acid Reflux
Levothyroxin - Thyroid

Also, if I believe dad has this thing... by proxy... who should I contact about it? I was thinking a psychiatrist [except not my psychiatrist!] but I'm not sure.
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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2006, 06:25:00 PM »
Oh I almost forgot... I'd appreciate it if someone would contact me to help me out...

My email is: modsan@albel.net
That's also my MSN.
And my AIM is: HelloISmileYou
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